MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[Matt Vaughan]

Thanks for the feedback on the 65s hand guys, good to know you play it the same He had J9o ... bastard lol

What about this one I played last night?

NOt many hands on villain (50 hands), he was playing 29/27 AfQ 79%, 3bet 22% (4/18 times).

I figured I would call the flop raise to keep his range wide, and didn't want to lose value by shoving. Obv I hated the turn so checked but when he checks back the river is a clear value bet I think as 2 pair, sets and Ax hands normally bet that turn like 90% of the time.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

CO ($3.25)
Button ($28.51)
SB ($5.56)
BB ($3.40)
UTG ($10.41)
Hero (MP) ($10.31)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K

, K

1 fold, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, Button calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($1) 4

, 6

, Q

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.70, Button raises to $1.90, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.80) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

River: ($4.80) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, Button calls $2.50

Total pot: $9.80 | Rake: $0.44

I'm very strongly considering 3betting the flop with the intention of GII if he shoves, and shoving almost every turn card. It's a strong-looking raise that looks like a Qx or a bluff. If it's a bluff, we won't likely get him to put more in the pot later unless he draws out on us, and if it's a decent Qx, he could very well stack off against us while basically drawing dead. Would need some read to not 3bet here prob.

Edit: If he is only raising sets for instance, we can gtfo, but I doubt this is ever the case. Especially since it's 3-handed, he is weighted toward strong Qx rather than bluffs imo.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Let me put it this way. There's a reason players like this min-raise. It's because they are giving you amazing odds. He doesn't want you to fold, but he wants more money in. And with a min 3-bet villain typically wants you in so badly that his range is going to have you crushed all the time. And there is some reversed implied odds to consider as well.

Odds are important, but you have to realize why getting good odds is relevant. If you are being laid a good price, it means you don't have to win the pot as frequently to make a profit in the long run. But if his range has you crushed enough, or with reversed implied odds, you have WAY less equity.

Ah yes, I understand now, thanks for explaining. If he had a bigger stack say 70BB's+ then I think we should call as we would have good implied odds as I wouldn't stack off with Top pair good kicker. But when he has a small stack it is really hard to get away from the hand. A fold pre-flop does seem correct against a loose-passive player here OOp. Just so hard to fold to min-raises :/

 

[Yoshimiii]

unknown villain. I didn't call pre-flop as I didn't want others behind me to call, should I have cbet?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

BB ($9.71)
Hero (UTG) ($10.17)
MP ($10)
CO ($4.88)
Button ($4.48)
SB ($5.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, A

Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, CO (poster) calls $0.20, Button calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB raises to $1, Hero raises to $2.35, 3 folds, BB calls $1.35

Flop: ($5.60) J

, 7

, 3

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($5.60) J

(2 players)
BB bets $1.70, Hero folds

Total pot: $5.60 | Rake: $0.25

Results below:

Spoiler

BB didn't show

 

[pocketehs]

unknown villain. I didn't call pre-flop as I didn't want others behind me to call, should I have cbet?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

BB ($9.71)
Hero (UTG) ($10.17)
MP ($10)
CO ($4.88)
Button ($4.48)
SB ($5.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, A

Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, CO (poster) calls $0.20, Button calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, BB raises to $1, Hero raises to $2.35, 3 folds, BB calls $1.35

Flop: ($5.60) J

, 7

, 3

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($5.60) J

(2 players)
BB bets $1.70, Hero folds

Total pot: $5.60 | Rake: $0.25

Results below:

Spoiler

BB didn't show

I think if we 4-bet we have to c-bet the flop. Probably around $2.75-$3 I think is fine for a 4-bet pot. Do you have any stats on him or is this a new player?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I think if we 4-bet we have to c-bet the flop. Probably around $2.75-$3 I think is fine for a 4-bet pot. Do you have any stats on him or is this a new player?

I think you have to cbet as well, but smaller, more like $2-$2.50. Unless you know for a fact that he ONLY flats 4bets with big pairs, in which case I think the x/f is probably fine when you whiff the flop.

 

[orangepeeleo]

Came 3rd in a donkament on 888 tonight for $266, i'm now at $470 so might win the challenge yet lol

 

[Logan2]

Came 3rd in a donkament on 888 tonight for $266, i'm now at $470 so might win the challenge yet lol

That´s cheating but at this point anything should be valid. Grats on the cash man. Are you still on with the back to S&G´s idea or was just a random game?.

Talking about donkaments, i just remember about the $1k freebie from CC on Stars this month... but was yesterday, meh.

How everyone doing lately?.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

How everyone doing lately?.

Had a bit of a fail at live poker last night, but hoping to go in a bit tonight and have a better performance.

 

[dsvw56]

Serious grind session

 

[micromachine]

Came 3rd in a donkament on 888 tonight for $266, i'm now at $470 so might win the challenge yet lol

Congrats! Nice bink. Only $30 to go

How are the cash games on 888? I've benn tempted to give them a try for a while now

How everyone doing lately?.

Terrible weekend session, ran bad then tilted at 10nl and BR back down to $250 and I've restricted my table limit to 5nl until I can work out why I keep playing like an idiot at the higher levels

Haven't tilted for ages while I was crushing 5nl but as soon as I opened up 16nl and 10nl lost discipline and lost control of my emotions. Not sure how to get over that really. Thinking if I always have loads of buy-ins for a level, like 50, it will be harder to be tilted by a couple of bad sessions, but then progress will be slow like that.

 

[micromachine]

Serious grind session

5k hands grindathon

Just wondering dsvw56...you seem pretty knowledgeable and like you have plenty of experience playing, so why are you playing 4nl? Is it due to the US situation? What limits have you previously played?...Nosy micromachine

 

[micromachine]

Just bought Jared Tendler Mental Game...time to fix up! Anyone else read it?

 

[honeycrush]

5k hands grindathon

Just wondering dsvw56...you seem pretty knowledgeable and like you have plenty of experience playing, so why are you playing 4nl? Is it due to the US situation? What limits have you previously played?...Nosy micromachine

Yes do tell. I have been wondering about that too.

 

[honeycrush]

Just bought Jared Tendler Mental Game...time to fix up! Anyone else read it?

I downloaded the first few sample chapters on Kindle. It's very well written and looks as if it will be a very useful book. I was tempted to buy it but apart from a major tiltfest after I went on my first ever huge downswing, my tilt seems to be under control. *crosses fingers*

Would be really interested to hear what you think of it.

 

[micromachine]

Amazon says it's going to take a month to arrive (wtf) but will let you know when I've read it. Others on here said it was really good.

 

[dsvw56]

5k hands grindathon

Just wondering dsvw56...you seem pretty knowledgeable and like you have plenty of experience playing, so why are you playing 4nl? Is it due to the US situation? What limits have you previously played?...Nosy micromachine

Prior to black friday I was beating 50NL on stars for like 3PTBB/100 and taking shots at 100NL when the games were favorable. Playing 4NL because I hadn't played poker at all since black friday hit and 2 years makes a lot of rust. Depositing is a bitch, withdrawing is even worse, and I really didnt want to get a lot of money tied up online. Plus I wasn't entirely sure how seriously I wanted to get back in to poker.

Here's my graph from the last time I moved up through the limits on Stars. Starting at 2NL through 25NL.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Holy shit that's a sicko red line.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Also, down 3.5 BIs in two sessions now at live... What a good way to start off the semester! Update coming to my live thread later today hopefully.

 

[orangepeeleo]

That´s cheating but at this point anything should be valid. Grats on the cash man. Are you still on with the back to S&G´s idea or was just a random game?.

Talking about donkaments, i just remember about the $1k freebie from CC on Stars this month... but was yesterday, meh.

I played about 30-40 $1.50 sngs this month, think I ran at about 26% ROI, the main thing with these is volume though and with only 2 hrs tops about 5 days per week, plus only doing sets of 10, I was never going to hit enough.

As this months been a bit of a car crash I've ended up getting on 888 and playing 6nl 6m cash games on there

Congrats! Nice bink. Only $30 to go

How are the cash games on 888? I've benn tempted to give them a try for a while now

I've only played 6nl, but my god its soft, if there arent 5 bad players on my table i'm finding a new one, running a bit meh (iso'd with K9s otb vs utg limper, he calls 2 streets on 9xxx with 97s, picking up a fd on the turn, and binks the river, luckily I checked it back and saved myself a few bb) and making some bad decisions in a couple of spots but still up a bit, i've also been given like $15 free direct to my BR and £12 worth of tourney tickets (used a $3 last night for my binkage ) Have to earn another 28 point things to unlock the free $15 (and some winnings that have been earned while using that) for withdrawal so I'll be staying til thats clear at least.

Hoping to be able to either cash out +$500 at the end of the month and get it back on stars, my roll is at $495 on 888 atm but $25 is not withdrawable, or stay on there and carry on grinding the 888 cash games, will depend on how well I can do at 6m and how soft 10nl is in comparison to 6nl though.

So for the rest of january my goals are:

- Stay at 6nl on 888 and clear the 28 points I need to make my whole roll withdrawable.

- Assess things when thats done and either:
- Move back to 10+16nl FR games on stars
- Take a shot at 10nl 6m on 888 (will be my first time playing 6m at 10nl lol)

 

[orangepeeleo]

Oh yeah, actually, i've withdrew $50 from my winnings last night for me and the wife to go for some food on friday when the kids get looked after So my BR is more like $445 atm, still time to lose yet lol

 

[micromachine]

Prior to black friday I was beating 50NL on stars for like 3PTBB/100 and taking shots at 100NL when the games were favorable. Playing 4NL because I hadn't played poker at all since black friday hit and 2 years makes a lot of rust. Depositing is a bitch, withdrawing is even worse, and I really didnt want to get a lot of money tied up online. Plus I wasn't entirely sure how seriously I wanted to get back in to poker.

Here's my graph from the last time I moved up through the limits on Stars. Starting at 2NL through 25NL.

Cool thanks man, nice graph!

So did you find you were really rusty after the gap or did it all come back to you?

 

[micromachine]

I've only played 6nl, but my god its soft, if there arent 5 bad players on my table i'm finding a new one, running a bit meh (iso'd with K9s otb vs utg limper, he calls 2 streets on 9xxx with 97s, picking up a fd on the turn, and binks the river, luckily I checked it back and saved myself a few bb) and making some bad decisions in a couple of spots but still up a bit, i've also been given like $15 free direct to my BR and £12 worth of tourney tickets (used a $3 last night for my binkage ) Have to earn another 28 point things to unlock the free $15 (and some winnings that have been earned while using that) for withdrawal so I'll be staying til thats clear at least.

Hoping to be able to either cash out +$500 at the end of the month and get it back on stars, my roll is at $495 on 888 atm but $25 is not withdrawable, or stay on there and carry on grinding the 888 cash games, will depend on how well I can do at 6m and how soft 10nl is in comparison to 6nl though.

So for the rest of january my goals are:

- Stay at 6nl on 888 and clear the 28 points I need to make my whole roll withdrawable.

- Assess things when thats done and either:
- Move back to 10+16nl FR games on stars
- Take a shot at 10nl 6m on 888 (will be my first time playing 6m at 10nl lol)

Hmmm really considering transferring a bit of my roll to 888 when I've built it back up a bit. Should be a walk in the park after the Stars cash tables

 

[dsvw56]

Cool thanks man, nice graph!

So did you find you were really rusty after the gap or did it all come back to you?

It came back a lot easier than I expected it to but there's still a lot of room for improvement. I'm running about as bad as I've ever ran in my life atm (FH<Quads 6 times in ~75k hands is a little ridiculous) but I still got a lot of work to do to get to where I want to be. Most of it's just going to be through playing and getting used to how the games play now. But I plan on getting a membership to DC again and hopefully getting LeakBuster in the near future. But fish are still fish, and awful regs are still awful so there's money to be made still.

Edit : And like I've said before in here, you're all welcome to add me on skype. Just shoot me a PM on here and I'll add you.

 

[honeycrush]

Hmmm really considering transferring a bit of my roll to 888 when I've built it back up a bit. Should be a walk in the park after the Stars cash tables

I think Stars is definitely toughest for micro stakes. A few days ago I got the free $20 ring game ticket on Full Tilt and I've already run it up to $53 after less than 500 hands @ 5NL. I know it's a tiny sample but every time I sit at a FR table there are at least 4 fish and sometimes more. Whereas on Stars I am down $20 after 3k hands. There are still lots of fish but they are more aggro fish and I'm battling it out with the nitty regs on the table as to who will stack the fish first.

Full Tilt ftw.

 

[Logan2]

Terrible weekend session, ran bad then tilted at 10nl and BR back down to $250 and I've restricted my table limit to 5nl until I can work out why I keep playing like an idiot at the higher levels

Haven't tilted for ages while I was crushing 5nl but as soon as I opened up 16nl and 10nl lost discipline and lost control of my emotions. Not sure how to get over that really. Thinking if I always have loads of buy-ins for a level, like 50, it will be harder to be tilted by a couple of bad sessions, but then progress will be slow like that.

That suck man. Agree on the 50bi part, even 40 i think is a nice cushion, i was playing with out any presure on 5nl when reach to $200, but as soon get down because the 10nl shots i start to feel the presure again. But yeah, it takes more time to get anywhere with a higher BR need it.

Hopely tendler´s book helps you, read some chapters that are free on his page and looks really promising. The month wait sounds bs thought, i think see on his page a download-able version that could be buy, why not try that?.

Also, down 3.5 BIs in two sessions now at live... What a good way to start off the semester! Update coming to my live thread later today hopefully.

At least you are back to playing man. Waiting for the update, always interesting to read.

I played about 30-40 $1.50 sngs this month, think I ran at about 26% ROI, the main thing with these is volume though and with only 2 hrs tops about 5 days per week, plus only doing sets of 10, I was never going to hit enough.

As this months been a bit of a car crash I've ended up getting on 888 and playing 6nl 6m cash games on there

Hoping to be able to either cash out +$500 at the end of the month and get it back on stars, my roll is at $495 on 888 atm but $25 is not withdrawable, or stay on there and carry on grinding the 888 cash games, will depend on how well I can do at 6m and how soft 10nl is in comparison to 6nl though.

So for the rest of january my goals are:

- Stay at 6nl on 888 and clear the 28 points I need to make my whole roll withdrawable.

- Assess things when thats done and either:
- Move back to 10+16nl FR games on stars
- Take a shot at 10nl 6m on 888 (will be my first time playing 6m at 10nl lol)

Agree, volume is a most for S&G´s, thinking on that myself as a side to increase BR.

I remember Choopy mention geting back and go play 888 too, personally never like the software, so don´t picture myself playing 8 tables there tbf, but if you are doing nice i guess is better to keep there little more, already is worth because the bink you made in the donkament.

I think Stars is definitely toughest for micro stakes. A few days ago I got the free $20 ring game ticket on Full Tilt and I've already run it up to $53 after less than 500 hands @ 5NL. I know it's a tiny sample but every time I sit at a FR table there are at least 4 fish and sometimes more. Whereas on Stars I am down $20 after 3k hands. There are still lots of fish but they are more aggro fish and I'm battling it out with the nitty regs on the table as to who will stack the fish first.

Full Tilt ftw.

Stars was always the toughest place before black friday, so even when things change still should be harder than the rest of smaller sites for ROW players. Nice that you doing fine on FTP, how the player pool is lately?, i really miss the rakeback there, it was something that push me to play more.