MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[micromachine]

Thx Logan. I tried looking for that sub-form before and couldn't find it. I got T$124 I need to get rid of before I start playing HUSNGs again

I took a 9 buy-in downswing at 5nl last night, a few of those were lost through bad play, which is annoying. BR down to $360 (that's including the $T)

 

[micromachine]

I want to post some more hands ITT but I never have time to do it at home lol. I mark hands for review then don't get round to posting them...I'm going to make more of an effort with that now

 

[Logan2]

Thx Logan. I tried looking for that sub-form before and couldn't find it. I got T$124 I need to get rid of before I start playing HUSNGs again

I took a 9 buy-in downswing at 5nl last night, a few of those were lost through bad play, which is annoying. BR down to $360 (that's including the $T)

Yeah, not easy to find, have to subscribe to the thread to not lose it. I can´t cover you but probably you could get $123 for those man.

HUSNGs as a side game?.

Sorry to read about the bad night, i think the $500 race was curse for all lol.

 

[micromachine]

Sold em for 122.5

Maybe race was a curse, Yoshimii has completely disappeared, what have I done lol.

 

[Logan2]

Sold em for 122.5

Maybe race was a curse, Yoshimii has completely disappeared, what have I done lol.

His last activity was January 1st, weird.

Post 3 hands on my thread if anyone want to give a look. No badbeats this time, hands are legit, all similar with wet boards, having troubles with that. https://www.cardschat.com/forum/pok...ns-2013-cash-journey-218009/post-2016685.html

 

[Matt Vaughan]

His last activity was January 1st, weird.

Post 3 hands on my thread if anyone want to give a look. No badbeats this time, hands are legit, all similar with wet boards, having troubles with that. https://www.cardschat.com/forum/pok...ns-2013-cash-journey-218009/post-2016685.html

Hand 1:
That's pretty gross. The flat on the flop followed by enormous overbet looks so much like 76 to me, probably weighted toward 76cc. It's always possible that he binked top pair on the flop and decided to go crazy with it on the turn if he thinks he has the best hand but thinks you'll call. Without reads, I'd probably fold just cause of the shitty odds and how draw-ish it looks on the flop cause of the x/c.

Hand 2:
Frankly I'm not sure about this one, but I think we really need to consider why we are betting on the flop. We're 3-handed and awkward Kx is probably in the call-PFR ranges of these players. So why are we betting? If we're betting because we think lower PPs call/against FDs then I think we have to bet/fold the turn. Maybe he doesn't call with a PP again, but if we check he can correctly bet his whole range that made it to the turn, and we hate life. As played, but with no reads, this is tough. I think I probably call the turn. He can value bet worse PPs here, he can bluff air, and we have an 18% draw to the 2nd nuts.

Hand 3:
Flop call seems standard, sucks it's 3-way, but whatever. You mentioned the option of raising the turn. I don't love raising the turn when we have 99 here. We have a hand that has really decent equity right now in terms of SDV and we have a big draw as well (though almost no implied odds). So why raise the turn? UTG seems pretty weak tbh, but it's impossible to know what MP is doing. I'm kind of back and forth because of the tiny sizing, it seems like UTG just wants someone to tell him if they have a big hand. But again, it's hard to see how raising here can be for value, and I hate to turn this hand into a semi-bluff. As played, I call the turn raise. We're actually getting 4.2:1, and as you say we have about 18% to hit our draw. In terms of exact pot odds it's a fold, but there's a couple things to consider:
- If you think he's EVER bluffing, you have to call.
- If you think ANY more money goes in on the river when you hit a draw, you have to call.

The implied odds aren't big but you have to consider them. Plus I think we have the best hand sometimes (possibly even a lot of the time). I call the turn. Then play poker on the river.

 

[pocketehs]

Make sure you unregister from the game (when you win the satty you automatic get register to the sunday storm game).

Offer your T$ here http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/6...l-w-t-here-291728/index1553.html#post36566025

I sell my tickets for 99% value so $10.90 for T$11

Just post "i sell T$11 for $10.90 (or w/e amount) Pm me and initiate to "(your stars SN)"

you will get a pm on there saying the SN of the buyer, then you go to stars >> requests >> trade tournament $ >> sell tournament $

A stars window open and you fill the "sell to" (put the SN of buyer here), T$ amount (11 or the amount to sell), prize: $10.90 or prize you agree with buyer. OK and transaction is done. the $ shoul be on the cashier now.

if you are not register there then just pm me and i change you the T$ and then i sell it there doc.

Cheers

Thanks for this logan. I dont have to sell this this week right?

 

[micromachine]

You can sell T$ anytime, they don't expire...if that's what you mean?

 

[Logan2]

If you unregister and have the T$ on your account then yeah, like Micro say, you can sell whenever you want.

Hand 1:
That's pretty gross. The flat on the flop followed by enormous overbet looks so much like 76 to me, probably weighted toward 76cc. It's always possible that he binked top pair on the flop and decided to go crazy with it on the turn if he thinks he has the best hand but thinks you'll call. Without reads, I'd probably fold just cause of the shitty odds and how draw-ish it looks on the flop cause of the x/c.

Agree on bold if was vs just me, but he is facing 2 players i don´t think he go crazy with top pair in a multiway pot. His stats was there 16/7/2 3B:2 FCB:80 on 592 hands. His FCB80 on almost 600 hands tell me he play hit or fold, so i think he definetly have it here. Also he is a tight player, weak-tight but still his agressive don´t tell me he get that crazy. I think he hit his set and overbet to not give the odds for any draw.

Hand 2:
Frankly I'm not sure about this one, but I think we really need to consider why we are betting on the flop. We're 3-handed and awkward Kx is probably in the call-PFR ranges of these players. So why are we betting? If we're betting because we think lower PPs call/against FDs then I think we have to bet/fold the turn. Maybe he doesn't call with a PP again, but if we check he can correctly bet his whole range that made it to the turn, and we hate life. As played, but with no reads, this is tough. I think I probably call the turn. He can value bet worse PPs here, he can bluff air, and we have an 18% draw to the 2nd nuts.

Yeah, we are betting because FD´s/SD´s and because the K is a excellent card to CB, we can thin the field that way (and we did get one fold). But also agree that i should bet the turn, even if he got the king with card on turn is a great card to make him fold there because the FD/SD, but check let him do the same with us even with air.


Need to get out so can´t comment on hand 3, but basicly is on same line, we could call there because implied odds.

Thanks man.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

No problem man, I really enjoy HA, and don't venture to that part of the forum nearly as frequently as I should or used to. And since I don't get to grind much at all atm, it's nice to have a push to keep some sort of semblance of HA practice going.

 

[micromachine]

Finally getting round to posting some hands

Villain is 19/12, 7%3b, 60%AfQ, fold to steal 69%

River raise OK? Would you double barrel here instead of checking the turn?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.16 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (Button) ($16)
SB ($45.45)
BB ($16.27)
UTG ($20.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6

, 5

1 fold, Hero bets $0.48, SB calls $0.40, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.12) 7

, 8

, K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.80, SB calls $0.80

Turn: ($2.72) 10

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.72) 4

(2 players)
SB bets $2.24, Hero raises to $7.84, SB raises to $44.17 (All-In), Hero calls $6.88 (All-In)

Total pot: $32.16 | Rake: $1

 

[Yoshimiii]

Sold em for 122.5

Maybe race was a curse, Yoshimii has completely disappeared, what have I done lol.

Ye I haven't been on the computer at all for the past weeks, been busy. Sorry about abandoning race.
Anyway, hand 1:

Villain: 20/18/2.5, 3 bet 17.7 (out of 62 possible hands) ,
Hand sample: 173

I 4 bet here mainly because he 3 bet is incredibly high, in hindsight I should of made it slightly lower I think.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

SB ($10.91)
BB ($17.25)
UTG ($10.70)
Hero (MP) ($10.10)
CO ($14)
Button ($13.58)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A

, K

1 fold, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, Button calls $0.30, SB raises to $1.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.90, 1 fold, SB raises to $10.91 (All-In), Hero calls $6.20 (All-In)

Flop: ($20.60) 5

, 3

, 3

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($20.60) 5

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($20.60) 4

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $20.60 | Rake: $0.93

Results below:

Spoiler

SB had A

, A

(two pair, Aces and fives).
Hero had A

, K

(two pair, fives and threes).
Outcome: SB won $19.67

Hand 2:
Passive Villain: 35/16/0.9
Not sure if it was best play to shove the river, just so tempting when his stack size < Pot size.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP ($12.92)
CO ($4.80)
Button ($10)
Hero (SB) ($12.46)
BB ($2.77)
UTG ($19.97)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10

, J

4 folds, Hero bets $0.30, BB raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($1) J

, 7

, 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: ($1) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, BB calls $0.50

River: ($2) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.80, BB calls $1.77 (All-In)

Total pot: $5.54 | Rake: $0.25

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero had 10

, J

(two pair, Jacks and sevens).
BB had A

, A

(two pair, Aces and sevens).
Outcome: BB won $5.29

 

[micromachine]

Hand 1 : Yeah 4bet is pretty big, $2.90 would've been enough, think I would've still got it in rather than folding to his 5bet though, you crush his 3b range.

Hand 2: God I hate those stupid small 3bets! I would've probably done the same, but c/f or c/c if he makes a silly small bet is probably the right play. It's hard to put him on his hand here, what a tard.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

@micro:
Gross. Play is obv standard until the riv. River raise is fine cause he absolutely calls off lots of worse, but when he shoves over I'm getting antsy. Only things I'm really able to put him on are slow-played sets 77 88, two pair with a king slightly weighted toward KT, and a J9 weighted toward suited that he slow-played on the turn. I think I call because he never puts us on a straight, so there is stuff in his range that he goes crazy with that he doesn't realize he's going crazy with when we raise the riv.

@yoshi:

Hand 1 - Seems fine, though I would 4bet smaller most likely.
Hand 2 - Fold pre (the steal is fine, but fold to the 3bet imo).

 

[Yoshimiii]

@micro:
Gross. Play is obv standard until the riv. River raise is fine cause he absolutely calls off lots of worse, but when he shoves over I'm getting antsy. Only things I'm really able to put him on are slow-played sets 77 88, two pair with a king slightly weighted toward KT, and a J9 weighted toward suited that he slow-played on the turn. I think I call because he never puts us on a straight, so there is stuff in his range that he goes crazy with that he doesn't realize he's going crazy with when we raise the riv.

@yoshi:

Hand 1 - Seems fine, though I would 4bet smaller most likely.
Hand 2 - Fold pre (the steal is fine, but fold to the 3bet imo).

hand 2: but the odds I am getting are very very good at a min-raise. I very rarely tend to fold to min-raises due to this as I thought it would be incorrect because of the great odds..

 

[Yoshimiii]

Finally getting round to posting some hands

Villain is 19/12, 7%3b, 60%AfQ, fold to steal 69%

River raise OK? Would you double barrel here instead of checking the turn?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.16 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (Button) ($16)
SB ($45.45)
BB ($16.27)
UTG ($20.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6

, 5

1 fold, Hero bets $0.48, SB calls $0.40, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.12) 7

, 8

, K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.80, SB calls $0.80

Turn: ($2.72) 10

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.72) 4

(2 players)
SB bets $2.24, Hero raises to $7.84, SB raises to $44.17 (All-In), Hero calls $6.88 (All-In)

Total pot: $32.16 | Rake: $1

Well played, I would of done exact same every street.

 

[pocketehs]

How to get max...annnd go!

Villain: 54/42/6 F3B 75%

I bet like 1/2 PSB on turn hoping that he'd jam with like Kx or AdX and this way if he calls he pretty has to call the river.

Good line?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP1 ($2.04)
MP2 ($1.28)
Villain (CO) ($1.48)
Hero (Button) ($2.02)
SB ($2.44)
BB ($2.37)
UTG ($0.80)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9

, 10

1 fold, MP1 calls $0.02, 1 fold, Villain bets $0.06, Hero raises to $0.18, 3 folds, Villain calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.41) Q

, J

, K

(2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $0.24, Villain calls $0.24

Turn: ($0.89) 3

(2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $0.44, 1 fold

Total pot: $0.89 | Rake: $0.03

 

[AlfieAA]

I'm going to make a youtube channel for us if anyone is interested...then we can analyse our sessions for anyone who wants to upload a vid....I will hand out the email address and passwords when I've made it and will suggest video recording sites for you to download so we can get started right away...

 

[Logan2]

hand 2: but the odds I am getting are very very good at a min-raise. I very rarely tend to fold to min-raises due to this as I thought it would be incorrect because of the great odds..

Agree about the odds but vs a shortie don´t we should tighten up our range here?. I don´t think his min 3bet is just because is a rigtard with no reason (like 100bb players do) , min-3bet could be his standard amount because shorstack play. I mean he only have 27bbs and already invest 5, calling the 3b oop don´t look that good with our hand. After calling looks fine.


Doc, do we know his FCB stat?, if was low i probably bet more on flop, if not then as played is ok but not sure if we could check back turn to give him a river card free and maybe he fire there. I like the 3b pre, totally 9k sign there ;-)

 

[pocketehs]

Doc, do we know his FCB stat?, if was low i probably bet more on flop, if not then as played is ok but not sure if we could check back turn to give him a river card free and maybe he fire there. I like the 3b pre, totally 9k sign there ;-)

Thanks Logan. I dont know about the FCB stat. Ill go run though my database and try to find it. I posted the hand becos I wasnt really sure about the turn play tbh. HoneyCrush and Alfie said check the turn as well but I thought we want fish to pay to chase?


Played some 5NL tonight for about 700 hands and ended at 38bb/100 with about 4bi up.

Couple hands I wouldnt mind some line checks and river decisions though.


Hand 1 - Value on the river vs aggro villain

Q) If possible, where can we get more value in this hand? the river?

Villain: 29/14/3.5 F3B 50%

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP2 ($7.01)
CO ($5)
Button ($2)
SB ($1.87)
Hero (BB) ($5.39)
UTG ($5.95)
Villain (UTG+1) ($18.18)
MP1 ($10.69)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

, K

1 fold, Villain bets $0.15, 5 folds, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.32) K

, 2

, 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, Villain bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.82) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, Villain bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

River: ($1.82) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, Villain bets $0.95, Hero calls $0.95

Total pot: $3.72 | Rake: $0.15

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hand 2 - 4-bet pot with AK v Fish

Villain: 34/15/4 F3B 50% FCB 100% over 59 hands

I cant figure out a range for this guy. What does he raise UTG and flat a 4-bet OOP with? althought Im not sure hes even positionally aware. I had a note on him to about a previous hand where he 3-barrel bluffed A-rag.

Q1).I also know that we can fold to 4-bets so is this a flat, fold or 4-bet? I chose to 4-bet becos the btn player was actually pretty good so i just tried to iso the fish.
Q2) Can we even c-bet this board? **** such a mess. I need a lesson on how to play AK

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($5)
Hero (SB) ($5.43)
BB ($3.05)
UTG ($12.50)
Villain (UTG+1) ($4.44)
MP1 ($3.30)
MP2 ($1.98)
MP3 ($1.93)
CO ($5.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, K

1 fold, Villain bets $0.15, 4 folds, Button raises to $0.45, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, Villain calls $1.35, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.50) 9

, 7

, 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.75, Villain raises to $2.94 (All-In), Hero calls $1.19

Turn: ($9.38) 3

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($9.38) 6

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $9.38 | Rake: $0.39

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Hand 3 - line check with set.

Villain: 49/6/2.7 FCB 50% over 49 hands

I think when the villain calls the flop its pretty obvious he has a FD, right?

Q) so do we check call the turn or do we bet? The reason I bet was becos i remember a similar hand that I think Alfie posted in HA and everyone said to bet turn because it leaves opportunities to fold weaker flushes plus we still have equity against a flush.

Q) What do you change about the hand? The only thing I think I change is like the turn betsizing to $1.80.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

UTG+1 ($12.50)
Villain (MP1) ($20.61)
MP2 ($5)
CO ($2)
Button ($9.56)
SB ($6.95)
Hero (BB) ($9.22)
UTG ($2.07)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6

, 6

2 folds, Villain calls $0.05, MP2 bets $0.22, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.17, Villain calls $0.17

Flop: ($0.68) 5

, 6

, Q

(3 players)
Hero checks, Villain checks, MP2 bets $0.38, Hero raises to $1.30, Villain calls $1.30, 1 fold

Turn: ($3.66) A

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.10, Villain calls $2.10

River: ($7.86) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $5.60 (All-In), Villain calls $5.60

Total pot: $19.06 | Rake: $0.79

 

[micromachine]

Hand1 - Seems fine to station here, I think only better calls if you raise

Hand 2 - Your 4bet is kind of massive, I normally do 2.2-2.5x the 3bet, so would prob do like $1.05 here, which should still be enough to iso the fish. OTF I think it's a check fold, checking all the way down to the river if he does too.

Hand 3 - nh wp there is more in his range than FDs when he calls the flop raise imo, like AQ, KQ, 78, AA, KK, JJ, TT are all possible imo. Weighted towards FDs I agree but there is enough more not to be scared when the turn is a spade considering that you have good equity. Turn sizing is fine imo.

 

[micromachine]

Thanks for the feedback on the 65s hand guys, good to know you play it the same He had J9o ... bastard lol

What about this one I played last night?

NOt many hands on villain (50 hands), he was playing 29/27 AfQ 79%, 3bet 22% (4/18 times).

I figured I would call the flop raise to keep his range wide, and didn't want to lose value by shoving. Obv I hated the turn so checked but when he checks back the river is a clear value bet I think as 2 pair, sets and Ax hands normally bet that turn like 90% of the time.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

CO ($3.25)
Button ($28.51)
SB ($5.56)
BB ($3.40)
UTG ($10.41)
Hero (MP) ($10.31)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K

, K

1 fold, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, Button calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($1) 4

, 6

, Q

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.70, Button raises to $1.90, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.80) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

River: ($4.80) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, Button calls $2.50

Total pot: $9.80 | Rake: $0.44

 

[dsvw56]

Hand 2 - 4-bet pot with AK v Fish

Villain: 34/15/4 F3B 50% FCB 100% over 59 hands

I cant figure out a range for this guy. What does he raise UTG and flat a 4-bet OOP with? althought Im not sure hes even positionally aware. I had a note on him to about a previous hand where he 3-barrel bluffed A-rag.

Q1).I also know that we can fold to 4-bets so is this a flat, fold or 4-bet? I chose to 4-bet becos the btn player was actually pretty good so i just tried to iso the fish.
Q2) Can we even c-bet this board? **** such a mess. I need a lesson on how to play AK

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($5)
Hero (SB) ($5.43)
BB ($3.05)
UTG ($12.50)
Villain (UTG+1) ($4.44)
MP1 ($3.30)
MP2 ($1.98)
MP3 ($1.93)
CO ($5.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, K

1 fold, Villain bets $0.15, 4 folds, Button raises to $0.45, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, Villain calls $1.35, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.50) 9

, 7

, 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.75, Villain raises to $2.94 (All-In), Hero calls $1.19

Turn: ($9.38) 3

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($9.38) 6

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $9.38 | Rake: $0.39

I want to hear peoples thoughts about 4-bet shoving here. Assume the fish is bad enough to stack fairly wide here, like at least TT+,AQ+.

 

[Logan2]

Thanks Logan. I dont know about the FCB stat. Ill go run though my database and try to find it. I posted the hand becos I wasnt really sure about the turn play tbh. HoneyCrush and Alfie said check the turn as well but I thought we want fish to pay to chase?

Usually yes, because if they going to chase and beat us with that then need to pay for, but on this case we have the second nut st8 and a FD for the second nut flush, so we don´t worry much in this case if fish actually chase because we want he chase. And because the turn card probably don´t help him in any way (the 3c) is not a bad idea to check. But also need to consider that some times it can´t be extracted more.

About the FCB stat, if you don´t have it should get it, is important that you know how often people fold to cbets, more on 5nl where will face more nits and regs, for me is even more important than the F3B which is very helpful but we do our money postflop so FCB get more value.

Probably PT don´t have it and need to "make it" like all the rest though lol

 

[Matt Vaughan]

hand 2: but the odds I am getting are very very good at a min-raise. I very rarely tend to fold to min-raises due to this as I thought it would be incorrect because of the great odds..

Let me put it this way. There's a reason players like this min-raise. It's because they are giving you amazing odds. He doesn't want you to fold, but he wants more money in. And with a min 3-bet villain typically wants you in so badly that his range is going to have you crushed all the time. And there is some reversed implied odds to consider as well.

Odds are important, but you have to realize why getting good odds is relevant. If you are being laid a good price, it means you don't have to win the pot as frequently to make a profit in the long run. But if his range has you crushed enough, or with reversed implied odds, you have WAY less equity.