MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[Logan2]

So I decided to fire up camtasia earlier to record some hot hot hot 10NL 6max action.

Setting the scene:-

Imagine your favourite uncle, you know, the one you're not that sure about but have a soft spot for nonetheless. Well he's sitting in his comfy chair, drinking whiskey and trying to tell various stories while never actually finishing any of them. That is what is in store for you here. If you want cutting edge poker strategy or even just something coherent, please look elsewhere. For everyone else...

10NL on ipoker - YouTube

Where is the french accent? fish de merde.

lol with the Q9 hand on the 4 hearths board.

Site looks really fishy, 5nl on stars looks harder than 10nl there. I have a hard time to see stats or bet amounts which suck but you don´t lie on the hot action part.

 

[OMGITSOVER9K]

sat in my room eating scrambled eggs beans on toast, its raining outside and watching Cafe's vid with his accent, feeling very english atm.

 

[fletchdad]

In, will be watching Unk Cafe in his chair later.

Here is a link to a vid i posted in another thread:

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/10nl-video-come-tear-me-apart-220391/

 

[Matt Vaughan]

So I decided to fire up camtasia earlier to record some hot hot hot 10NL 6max action.

Setting the scene:-

Imagine your favourite uncle, you know, the one you're not that sure about but have a soft spot for nonetheless. Well he's sitting in his comfy chair, drinking whiskey and trying to tell various stories while never actually finishing any of them. That is what is in store for you here. If you want cutting edge poker strategy or even just something coherent, please look elsewhere. For everyone else...

10NL on ipoker - YouTube

At about 14:15, middle bottom table, you hold 76o on the bb and flop bottom pair, and you bet to take it down. At 15:12 on the same table you iso 76dd, flop bottom pair and say you don't think a bet accomplishes anything. Wouldn't this be a spot where we want to bet just to buy villain's equity in the pot? On the turn, I really think we need to know why we're betting. I'm not sure a bet is correct if we check the flop.

16:10ish, top right, we bet into a 3way turn with a bad FD, 73hh - not sure I like it, but haven't convinced myself either way.

17:30ish, bottom right, this seems like a really terrible board to cbet vs. this player. We have the best hand a lot of the time, but the board so drawy and middling that it seems like it's smashing him. Plus if he's not folding to cbets much... why are we betting? You said earlier that cbets get through a lot, but there will still be spots where it's significantly better to check behind imo.

18:30ish, bottom right, I really like your line against this player, since he can show up with so much spazz (and he did - I guess he had backdoor equity??)

19:40ish, bottom center, K6hh I think I try to size a bit smaller for bluffs against clear droolers.
Also 19:40ish, top left, K8s, why are you check-raising?

Also in general, video skips a few times.

22:00ish, top right, I don't hate a cbet, so long as you double-barrel "scare cards," on HU turns as you did.

More commentary is def apreciated

26:00ish, 86hh I'd pick better hands to bluff 4bet, like blockers. Slash not bluff 4betting is also fine.

32:20ish, A3dd, just fold pre. On the flop, check behind and plan to fold to any bet imo.

34:30ish, pocket 3s, think the call is fine, I'm not sure I bet on the turn, but I like the check on the river since he has a lot of Ax with no pair there.

Nice vid mate, cheers, and thanks for sharing.

 

[xdeucesx]

myself, ducky and tyler just started a skype group chat thread for anyone who's interested in talking some strat and such.

All limits, skill level, experience etc. is welcome! If your interested in joining and chatting, hit any one of us with a PM and we'll get you in

 

[Logan2]

Thoughts??

I hate min 3bets. What a min-3b on btn mean usually?? some marginal for steal + top range? for a decent player maybe but what for others?
What hands could assume he min-3b? KK/AK we are beat, we beat JJ/TT, but can we assume TT can be include?? .
What hands should assume will call our 4b? only KK/AK and a rare QQ?

Do i have to bet more on flop to like $3 or is irrelevant because we still gona gii on turn? or we should give up after flop call? what about turn? x/f > x/c?

How i should play the hand?? Should i flat the 3b? What if no Ace on flop?

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players -

CO: $10.00 -
BTN: $21.91 - VPIP: 32, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 1.8 , F3B: 0 (2) , FCB: 25 (4) Hands: 24
Hero (SB): $10.44
BB: $14.52 -
UTG: $6.53
MP: $6.44

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Q

Q

2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.30

Flop: ($4.40) A

8

8

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.70, BTN calls $2.70

Turn: ($9.80) A

(2 players)
Hero bets $5.74 and is allin, BTN calls $5.74

River: ($21.28) A

(2 players)


​

 

[pocketehs]

Thoughts??

I hate min 3bets. What a min-3b on btn mean usually?? some marginal for steal + top range? for a decent player maybe but what for others?
What hands could assume he min-3b? KK/AK we are beat, we beat JJ/TT, but can we assume TT can be include?? .
What hands should assume will call our 4b? only KK/AK and a rare QQ?

Do i have to bet more on flop to like $3 or is irrelevant because we still gona gii on turn? or we should give up after flop call? what about turn? x/f > x/c?

How i should play the hand?? What if no Ace on flop?

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players -

CO: $10.00 -
BTN: $21.91 - VPIP: 32, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 1.8 , F3B: 0 (2) , FCB: 25 (4) Hands: 24
Hero (SB): $10.44
BB: $14.52 -
UTG: $6.53
MP: $6.44

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Q

Q

2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.30

Flop: ($4.40) A

8

8

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.70, BTN calls $2.70

Turn: ($9.80) A

(2 players)
Hero bets $5.74 and is allin, BTN calls $5.74

River: ($21.28) A

(2 players)


​

Just cause this guy has like somewhat decent stats I take this 3-bet as a value 3bet with a nutted range. I probably flat pre, call the flop and fold the turn.

But what I would actually do in real life is exactly what you did bro

 

[fletchdad]

Thoughts??

I hate min 3bets. What a min-3b on btn mean usually?? some marginal for steal + top range? for a decent player maybe but what for others?
What hands could assume he min-3b? KK/AK we are beat, we beat JJ/TT, but can we assume TT can be include?? .
What hands should assume will call our 4b? only KK/AK and a rare QQ?

Do i have to bet more on flop to like $3 or is irrelevant because we still gona gii on turn? or we should give up after flop call? what about turn? x/f > x/c?

How i should play the hand?? Should i flat the 3b? What if no Ace on flop?

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players -

CO: $10.00 -
BTN: $21.91 - VPIP: 32, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 1.8 , F3B: 0 (2) , FCB: 25 (4) Hands: 24
Hero (SB): $10.44
BB: $14.52 -
UTG: $6.53
MP: $6.44

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Q

Q

2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.30

Flop: ($4.40) A

8

8

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.70, BTN calls $2.70

Turn: ($9.80) A

(2 players)
Hero bets $5.74 and is allin, BTN calls $5.74

River: ($21.28) A

(2 players)


​

I gotta start getting more involved in answering these, cause TBO I dont really know what to do in a lot of these, so by answering I am:

A. doing my best to give you how I think

and

B: Getting (hopefully) told off and showed what a donk I am when I am wrong, thus also learning.

I think your play pre is fine. I hate the min 3B as well, but I dont think he is flatting KK here ever, so I am also probably GI OTT. 4 combos of AK (not apparent till the river tho) so all his JJ-99 hands are not going anywhere.

Yea, I am all in as well.

Flatting with the intention of GI ASAP with on A/K OTF is also ok??

 

[forsakenone]

feels like an Ace there, I would have check folded turn (or at least that's what I think I would have done).

 

[Logan2]

Interesting answers so far guys thanks.

i think is:

Doc- flat pre, call flop , x/fold turn.
Fletch - 4b pre , bet flop, gii turn.
Forsakenone - 4bet pre, bet flop, x/f turn.


Gona wait for couple more comments then gona post his stats after 60 hands to see if make any difference.​

 

[Yoshimiii]

Generally the 4 bet pre-flop is going to be better than the call pre-flop, if we play it passively and call pre-flop it will bring the CO in and if high cards come on the flop we have to fold multi-way if we see action or if the board is wet with under-cards and we end of getting all in we probably hate our hand.

I would bet less on the flop/check the flop to get calls from worse pocket pairs or to let him try to take it down if he has nothing. He can easily have the ace here. On the turn I would check/fold to anything more than a 1/5th sized bet and river is a shove.

Also 60 hands or 24 hands, doesn't make a difference in this situation I don't think especially since you didn't have the 64 hand sample in the first place I don't see the point of posting it.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

4bet pre seems fine, as when we flat the 3bet the CO never goes away. In that case we are basically set-mining QQ pre.

I frankly get a bit lost in spots like this. Are we betting the flop as a bluff? For value? Seems like KK+ and AK don't fold the flop, and JJ might not either, but TT probably does if the guy has half-decent stats. (I'm with Jake that the guy has a fairly nutted range, since why would you ever min-raise as a bluff.) So we're really only folding out combos we beat, and rarely letting them continue.

I think he either folds KK-, or JJ- (ignoring QQ). Def never folding an A. So his range goes from 21 combos we lose to (KK+, AK) and 12 combos we beat (JJ/TT) to either:

- (He folds KK) - 15 combos we lose to (AA, AK) and 0 combos we beat
- (He calls KK) - 21 combos we lose to (KK+, AK) and 6 combos we beat

Maybe this is oversimplifying, especially with his range and what he calls with, but I think this thinking applies even against a wider preflop range. Plus I think his most likely holding when he min-3bets/calls 4bet pre is AK, most likely offsuit. AA and KK likely min-5bet if he min-3bet it before. Just think checking the flop gives us an easier time, especially since I think all his PPs should check it back.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Agree with Scourrge, especially about the PocketPairs. I would probably fold to any decent sized bet on flop (over a 1/2 pot bet)

 

[Logan2]

I dont think he is flatting KK here ever

feels like an Ace there

(I'm with Jake that the guy has a fairly nutted range, since why would you ever min-raise as a bluff.)

Plus I think his most likely holding when he min-3bets/calls 4bet pre is AK
AA and KK likely min-5bet if he min-3bet it before. Just think checking the flop gives us an easier time, especially since I think all his PPs should check it back.

He have KK, he is not 5b to keep us there with worst mostly, he is not folding AXX flops then check/fold flop looks like our best action?.
Meaning after our 4b is call we just shutdown?.

I really hate this hands because looks like we never on good shape no matter what we do, i mean if he flats with TT/JJ and A or K come on flop we are screw. If we check he could bet to take the pot right there or to let go his hand if we call, making his decision easier than just check back, and if we always folding to a flop bet we are losing most of the time. Also the times A or K don´t come on flop but a T or J come we still can be beat, so pretty much never good after the 4b is call??. Then is it better to just play QQ like if was JJ and just flat pre for setmine and let go cheap when don´t hit?.

 

[Ducky7]

I think make it bigger pre, x/c flop x/f turn as played you have to shove that turn but i dont think hes showing with JJ too often

 

[Logan2]

I think make it bigger pre, x/c flop x/f turn as played you have to shove that turn but i dont think hes showing with JJ too often

If we make it bigger pre don´t we make TT/JJ fold?

Kind of agree with call flop, fold turn because that way at least if he bluff flop maybe he check back turn but then what we do on river bet small?

 

[xdeucesx]

With villain's stats, i'm inclined to think due to sizing + position that this looks like Ax, AJ, AQ, AK, 1010, JJ, 99. I think if he has a "nut" 3b hand, he's 3b bigger preflop/ getting it in when hero 4b's.

On the flop, definitely can get away w/betting smaller. 1/2 pot is plenty. I like x/c tbh, only bc by cbetting we pretty much eliminate all the air in his range.

 

[Ducky7]

If we make it bigger pre don´t we make TT/JJ fold?

Kind of agree with call flop, fold turn because that way at least if he bluff flop maybe he check back turn but then what we do on river bet small?

Nah JJ and TT will still call if you make it 2.10-2.50 and depends OTR really and the villain a tiny bet may get called by TT and JJ but most likely just AK so x/f river also most times

 

[Logan2]

With villain's stats, i'm inclined to think due to sizing + position that this looks like Ax, AJ, AQ, AK, 1010, JJ, 99. I think if he has a "nut" 3b hand, he's 3b bigger preflop/ getting it in when hero 4b's.

On the flop, definitely can get away w/betting smaller. 1/2 pot is plenty. I like x/c tbh, only bc by cbetting we pretty much eliminate all the air in his range.

He got KK so the bold is not true, also not sure to can give villain a range that wide in which he flat a 4b with AJ/AQ/99. i mean is 10nl,
do people really flat 4b´s that wide?. (this a real question because don´t know.)

Agree with last part.

Nah JJ and TT will still call if you make it 2.10-2.50 and depends OTR really and the villain a tiny bet may get called by TT and JJ but most likely just AK so x/f river also most times

Fair enough, but then the question is why we want to raise bigger?? i don´t understand why we want to grow a pot that later gona be hard to win it and most times are beat or gona fold. is this for give less odds to setmine??

 

[xdeucesx]

He got KK so the bold is not true, also not sure to can give villain a range that wide in which he flat a 4b with AJ/AQ/99. i mean is 10nl,
do people really flat 4b´s that wide?. (this a real question because don´t know.)

I think that's being results oriented above ^^^ The average player at 10nl is most certainly stacking KK preflop...just because this player did not doesn't mean it's not standard. With the information we had at the time, I think it was a fair assessment to take KK out of villains range.

As far as flatting 4b's IP, it's really villain dependent. I think your right in believing villains aren't going to be flatting many 4b IP with 100bb stacks, purely bc the $ is going in most of the time. This was a different spot, partly bc of positions (SB/BTN), also bc the 3b/4b was pretty small as well. In your hand above, since we didn't have tons of hands on villain, but his stats would lead us to believe he was aggressive, I think personally you can justify him flatting a 4b on the button with said hands. If he felt they were good enough to re-raise preflop with, he most likely would feel comfortable calling another raise with them.

(Although you put about 20% of his stack in pre, to lots of super micro fish, they don't see it that way. For lots of them, it's just " only 2$ to see a flop, still got 8$ behind so no problem, even though there SPR is like 2/1 now haha)


I haven't grinded 10nl in awhile...but I'm inclined to believe this guy is actually a halfway decent player? His 3b size IP is somewhat small, but the rest of the hand wasn't played too terribly imo.

 

[slowhand]

I keep stacking off KK vs AA, and it's always when the guy first sits down at the table - his first hand. Am I a dumbass?

 

[xdeucesx]

I keep stacking off KK vs AA, and it's always when the guy first sits down at the table - his first hand. Am I a dumbass?

Getting it AIPF w/100 bbs at micro stakes with KK is good like 99.99999% of the time imo.

 

[Jackle43]

Folding AKo preflop after getting 3bet shoved on against unknown who has played tight for around 30hands..
Am I a sicko?

 

[pocketehs]

This hand is a fold because we cant 3bet the flop and cant just flat because were going to end up so lost on turns right? So we give him credit for bigger Qs and sets, right?

Villain: 11/10/3

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (Button) ($18.65)
Villain (SB) ($16.71)
BB ($8)
UTG ($12.35)
MP ($10.37)
CO ($10.49)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10

, Q

3 folds, Hero bets $0.30, Villain calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) 2

, Q

, 5

(2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $0.50, Villain raises to $1.50, Hero ?

 

[Logan2]

This hand is a fold because we cant 3bet the flop and cant just flat because were going to end up so lost on turns right? So we give him credit for bigger Qs and sets, right?

Villain: 11/10/3

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (Button) ($18.65)
Villain (SB) ($16.71)
BB ($8)
UTG ($12.35)
MP ($10.37)
CO ($10.49)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10

, Q

3 folds, Hero bets $0.30, Villain calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) 2

, Q

, 5

(2 players)
Villain checks, Hero bets $0.50, Villain raises to $1.50, Hero ?

Yeah, just fold man, 11/10 is a nit for FR, for 6 max is too much, guy is aggresive but his agression comes because his range so strong that usually have crushed everyones range. This are great for steal blinds but when pop back just run.