MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

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I'm actually having some technical issues watching it so would appreciate if someone could watch and just see if you're able to get more than a couple minutes in.
 
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resolution is pretty rough so its hard to read bet sizes let alone hud stats.
 
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duggs said:
resolution is pretty rough so its hard to read bet sizes let alone hud stats.

Yeah if your internet can handle it, go to the highest HD setting.

Apologies on that - for next time if we do a review we're prob gonna put all the vid stuff on one comp (this time what we did was skype screen share and recorded the screen share, which obviously made the resolution pretty tough to deal with)
 
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definitely agree with that, um where is the HD button thats normally there i cant see it?
 
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duggs said:
definitely agree with that, um where is the HD button thats normally there i cant see it?

Um it's really not there? It is for me... Just under the "Quality" thing you should have options:

1080p HD
720p HD
480p
360p
240p
Auto

Confused as to why this vid would look different to different people/from different comps? :dontknow:
 
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found it im stupid. i was thinking of the HD button they used to have but that probably disappeared ages ago
 
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im only 10min in but you should focus more on playablity/domination when putting together your isolation range over a 50/0 fish. A2o may be well ahead of his range but it dominates no hands in his range and is dominated by a huge chunk, and flops pretty poorly. hands like KJs 98s even Q9o play infinitely better post in our isolation range since we flop top pair so much more often and can get 3 streets from the drooler, where as we pretty much cbet give up non Axx flops since we arent comfortable trying to vbet A high and we dont want to ever try blow him off better. moreover even tho our equity might be slightly ahead of his range, we arent almost ever able to realise much of it where as a hand like Q10s we can realise our equity v his range alot more frequently. basically hot/cold equity isnt that important for your isolating range imo.
 
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im only 10min in but you should focus more on playablity/domination when putting together your isolation range over a 50/0 fish. A2o may be well ahead of his range but it dominates no hands in his range and is dominated by a huge chunk, and flops pretty poorly. hands like KJs 98s even Q9o play infinitely better post in our isolation range since we flop top pair so much more often and can get 3 streets from the drooler, where as we pretty much cbet give up non Axx flops since we arent comfortable trying to vbet A high and we dont want to ever try blow him off better. moreover even tho our equity might be slightly ahead of his range, we arent almost ever able to realise much of it where as a hand like Q10s we can realise our equity v his range alot more frequently. basically hot/cold equity isnt that important for your isolating range imo.

Cool, thanks for watching. Yeah that makes sense.

Obv this was pretty "thrown together" so any and all input is VERY greatly appreciated :) Particularly in any theoretical mistakes like you just pointed out.
 
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duggs said:
im only 10min in but you should focus more on playablity/domination when putting together your isolation range over a 50/0 fish. A2o may be well ahead of his range but it dominates no hands in his range and is dominated by a huge chunk, and flops pretty poorly. hands like KJs 98s even Q9o play infinitely better post in our isolation range since we flop top pair so much more often and can get 3 streets from the drooler, where as we pretty much cbet give up non Axx flops since we arent comfortable trying to vbet A high and we dont want to ever try blow him off better. moreover even tho our equity might be slightly ahead of his range, we arent almost ever able to realise much of it where as a hand like Q10s we can realise our equity v his range alot more frequently. basically hot/cold equity isnt that important for your isolating range imo.

I've not seen the video (yet) but it feels as though there is some gold in them thar words.
 
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Scourrge said:
For your viewing pleasure:

scourrge and pocketehs 10nl session review 3-20-13 - YouTube

(Go easy on us, first time trying something like this :) )

duggs said:
im only 10min in but you should focus more on playablity/domination when putting together your isolation range over a 50/0 fish. A2o may be well ahead of his range but it dominates no hands in his range and is dominated by a huge chunk, and flops pretty poorly. hands like KJs 98s even Q9o play infinitely better post in our isolation range since we flop top pair so much more often and can get 3 streets from the drooler, where as we pretty much cbet give up non Axx flops since we arent comfortable trying to vbet A high and we dont want to ever try blow him off better. moreover even tho our equity might be slightly ahead of his range, we arent almost ever able to realise much of it where as a hand like Q10s we can realise our equity v his range alot more frequently. basically hot/cold equity isnt that important for your isolating range imo.

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I've not seen the video (yet) but it feels as though there is some gold in them thar words.


Duggs I totally agree with you. This is the reason we made the video was to go over stuff like this.

Would be sweet if more ppl would check it out :)
 
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i still have 50 min to watch at some point
 
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Ill check it out tonight, I could see the cards perfect in 1080p aswell as bet sizing!
 
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@doc + scourrge.....just listened to your youtube vid (tried to watch it, but had no chance on my phone lol)....anyway, very nice analysis of play I thought, good interaction between you guys and I enjoyed it......MAKE MORE......anyway.....

You were talking a lot about polarised and de-polarised ranges...I think scourrge briefly discussed how it worked but its not something I've thought about as of yet in my own play.....is this something that can be done at 10nl and how do you guys think it works out?....I'm assuming none of the players at your tables will know anything about these concepts, so is it something that can work against fish?......

I thought all these higher level strats were more relevant for higher stakes,,,,but yeah good vid, try and make another one when you guys do another sweat.......p.s, doc use a bloody microphone next time. :)
 
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no such thing as high level strat.

1/ determine opponents tendencies
2/ determine best strategy to exploit tendencies
3/ win
 
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vid @6min you cbet huge on an AJx board with 33, his range is inelastic and we arent going to barrel for future folds so make it smaller.
 
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8:11 66/88 never fold turn when they pick up gutters, we will expect them to fold to the river bet on more river cards.
 
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duggs said:
no such thing as high level strat.



1/ determine opponents tendencies

2/ determine best strategy to exploit tendencies

3/ win


Right ok cool, maybe I'm thinking of other things like bluffing, floating, check/raising, donking etc when fish wouldn't know what you were doing, particuarly the bluffing and floating part.......but yeah I suppose you could exploit them by doing things where you wouldn't need them to react or understand a certain tactic.....you know what I mean?
 
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you need to weight the relative likelihood of someone flatting a hand pre, him having suited 1 gappers than flopped draws is way less likely than broadway combos
 
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Played some Irish poker on FT cos they gave me a $10 Ring game ticket. Was pretty fun and now I have a small roll on FT!
 
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AlfieAA said:
Right ok cool, maybe I'm thinking of other things like bluffing, floating, check/raising, donking etc when fish wouldn't know what you were doing, particuarly the bluffing and floating part.......but yeah I suppose you could exploit them by doing things where you wouldn't need them to react or understand a certain tactic.....you know what I mean?

no, the assumption an opponent needs to understand a play to make it viable is completely backwards. opponents not understanding what we are doing allows us to have an exploitative strategy.

as examples.
super fish limp/calls any two cards and only calls flop with TP or better or a flush draw. to exploit this we can isolate with atc and cbet give up on dry boards. and barrel on flush draw boards.

opponent steals extremely wide cbets his entire range but only turn cbets with his value range and c/f all his air. we call our entire flop range and fold to turn bets and bet when checked too.

villian doesnt like folding. we c/r our sets and overpairs because they wont fold enough.

villain only cbets the top of his range but doesnt like folding. we donk a wide value range.

villain autoraises donk bets HU, we lead all of our sets/2pair/TPTK hands.

none of these rely on villain understanding our strategy. if anything they require villian to not understand what we are doing in order for it to be effective.

disclaimer: these are all extreme and reasonably unrealistic examples i made up, dont light money on fire by trying them, but you get the idea.

we identify a tendency or weakness. and determine the best way to exploit it.
 
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micromachine said:
Played some Irish poker on FT cos they gave me a $10 Ring game ticket. Was pretty fun and now I have a small roll on FT!

Cool. It's helped keep poker interesting for me, having another roll on another site.


#HOTD

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

MP: $82.11 (164.2 bb)
CO: $54.82 (109.6 bb)
BTN: $39.25 (78.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $81.03 (162.1 bb)
BB: $50 (100 bb)
UTG: $68.15 (136.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q
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A
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3 folds, BTN raises to $1, Hero raises to $4, BB folds, BTN calls $3

Flop: ($8.50) 9
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6
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T
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(2 players)
Hero bets $5, BTN calls $5

Turn: ($18.50) 2
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(2 players)
Hero bets $9.50, BTN calls $9.50

River: ($37.50) 3
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(2 players)
Hero bets $31.50, BTN calls $20.75 and is all-in

Results: $79 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: 9
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6
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T
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2
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3
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BTN mucked Q
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8
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and lost (-$39.25 net)
Hero showed Q
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A
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and won $76 ($36.75 net)

If villain ever needed to jam a turn, that was it! :)
 
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Thanks duggs, really appreciate the attention to specific hands. :)

And alfie, I wouldn't have thought just the audio would have been that helpful lol? But thanks a lot for watching. Would appreciate more input from others as well. Either about poker spots/concepts in the vid, or what we could have done better in actually doing/making the vid.
 
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Right, that's it, getting a coffee, locking the door and watching the vid. bbl
 
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I haven't watched it yet but I'll be sure to check it out over the next few days.
 
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Bleh moving down to 10nl, my bankroll is good enough for 25nl but I have been playing so bad I need to go back to basics.
 
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