MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[AlfieAA]

What do you guys think of this fold, Villain tells me what he had after, Villain is a multi-tabling solid regular with a 4.6% 3bet stat:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

BB ($10)
UTG ($16.94)
MP ($10)
CO ($10.14)
Hero (Button) ($10)
SB ($10.13)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q

, J

1 fold, MP bets $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($1) 9

, K

, J

(3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1) 10

(3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.70, SB raises to $2.40, 1 fold, Hero folds

Total pot: $2.40 | Rake: $0.11

If he has AK then why is he checking the flop?...I wouldn't have folded the turn, would be looking to get it all in...he's prob got a small/middle pair

 

[pocketehs]

What do you guys think of this fold, Villain tells me what he had after, Villain is a multi-tabling solid regular with a 4.6% 3bet stat:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

BB ($10)
UTG ($16.94)
MP ($10)
CO ($10.14)
Hero (Button) ($10)
SB ($10.13)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q

, J

1 fold, MP bets $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($1) 9

, K

, J

(3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1) 10

(3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.70, SB raises to $2.40, 1 fold, Hero folds

Total pot: $2.40 | Rake: $0.11

I probably dont fold the turn to a 3 bet but Im not sure what else we can do. I guess just flat then x/c a decent bet on the river

 

[orangepeeleo]

I bet the flop, can get called by worse for sure and we have some equity to keep barreling on a few cards.

I think I call the c/r , we have position and with his flatting pre he could have 99/TT/JJ, he checks the flop with these hoping for a chance to c/r, not sure if theyre in a turn c/r'ing range but what value hands does he have that checks 2 streets? The flop can be checked because he's expecting a cbet, but check the turn too?? Meh Seems pretty retarded for a solid reg

 

[duggs]

If he has AK then why is he checking the flop?...I wouldn't have folded the turn, would be looking to get it all in...he's prob got a small/middle pair

he is a reg, but i agree he can have air here

 

[duggs]

he has to have AQ or Qxss for us to be in trouble, seriously AQ flats pre, and doubt Qxss is common enough to consider folding. its air weighted so call and b/c or c/c river, depending on which induces the most in your eyes.

 

[orangepeeleo]

About a million people beat me to it lol typing on a phone sucks!

 

[Yoshimiii]

Well he said he had A/Q, not sure if this was true but I see no reason for him to lie, my reasoning behind folding was if we call turn we have to call river. We only tie with other queens and I don't see why he would check-raise sets/two pairs as he must know that I won't call anything worse, so I would expect a flat call for him to try to fill up on the river. He could have the flush draw but I would largely expect a flat call as people are passive at this stake and he knows he can't get a queen to fold (even thought I did) and in a multi-way pot their is a very high chance one of us can have the queen.


Basically I just didn't see him making this play without a queen and even then we just tie and the rest of the time we get stacked by A/Q which is definitely in his range.
Also he would probably 3 bet A/K pre.
Obviously I am never folding this to a fish.

 

[duggs]

when people fold to my airballs i always tell them i have the nuts.

 

[Yoshimiii]

when people fold to my airballs i always tell them i have the nuts.

Ha same here and when it's the other way around.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Fold pre. What were MP's stats? Just doesn't seem like a great spot. Yoshi have you ever posted stats? It seems like you play a pretty loose preflop style.

Post flop I'm never folding to that raise, but unfortunately I think we're chopping against KQ and Qx a good portion of the time.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Mp stats: 23/18
Sb: 21/16
My stats: 22/16

I have the BTN that's why I called, I didn't really want to fold this hand IP.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Mp stats: 23/18
Sb: 21/16
My stats: 22/16

I have the BTN that's why I called, I didn't really want to fold this hand IP.

Ok. You might want to try screwing around with your tracker and filtering for certain hands in certain spots, to see if you're profiting (obviously won't be enormous sample sizes usually but it can help give you more ino).

I think the bolded part is somewhat flawed thinking. Against MP's open I don't see why you'd be that attached to QJo. Yes you're IP, yes you can outplay him sometimes, but what part of his range are we making money from?? The fact that you say you don't want to fold "this hand" says to me you think you're flatting for value? But we dominate basically nothing in his range, and we're not even suited, so I'm just not seeing where the profit comes from. If we catch a Q- or J-high flop and he's missed then it's unlikely he puts much money in. If we catch draws they won't always be nutted, and when they are we are likely, again, not getting paid much money.

The times we do end up putting a lot of money in with semibluff raises, it'll often be with an OESD or like pair + GS against TP or something, and in those cases we're just flipping basically. Call me a nit but if I can't find a concrete place where my profit is coming from, I think it's a fold.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Straights/Two Pair/Trips, If I see aggression for more than one street with this hand from villain I would just fold TP. Also hand here, I called because it's such a weird line by villain:

Villain Stats: 22/16/3.2 6.5% 3 bet 17% 4 bet (over 7 hands)
362 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

UTG ($10.15)
MP ($13.45)
Button ($10)
SB ($5.25)
Hero (BB) ($13.31)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10

, 10

1 fold, MP bets $0.30, Button calls $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.10, MP raises to $2.40, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.30

Flop: ($5.15) 9

, 8

, 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($5.15) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, MP calls $1.50

River: ($8.15) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $3.20, Hero calls $3.20

Total pot: $14.55 | Rake: $0.65

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero didn't show 10

, 10

(nothing).
MP had 10

, J

(straight, Jack high).
Outcome: MP won $13.90

 

[xdeucesx]

don't flat 4b's oop w/130 bb stacks. Honestly, I hate flatting 3b's oop at micro's in general tbh. Except for rare spots, like villain 3b 30%, cbet 100% of 3b pots , etc. it's just burning $. Ryan Fee's goes into great detail about it in his 6max guide, I can link it for you if you want to read more about it.

As for the hand, what kind of range are you giving him for 4b? It's only been 362 hands, I think it's still safe to assume a 4b means strength. the 17% is kind of useless imo, as that means villain has 4b one time ( 1/7) Against a standard micro player's 4b range, I'd say it's safe to assume were crushed w/ 1010. If you think his 4b is light, then shove, but if not...I don't hate just folding it to the 4b.

Didn't look at spoiler yet, but since you posted this hand, i'm guessing he showed up w/something stupid like 99, 77, J10, 98 etc.

edit: looked at spoiler, lol J10...Try not to be results oriented, I think assuming a 4b is weak at the micro's is suicide most of the time.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Don't 3bet/call with TT. As deuces said, it's very very rarely going to be a good idea to flat 4bets OOP (in general, but particularly at the micros) especially with a hand as vulnerable as TT.

Are we x/f any A-high or K-high board since villain can have AK? What about Q-high? Just gets ugly fast. 3bet/5bet-ship or 3bet/fold should be the default if you're going to 3bet at all, but personally I think flatting here at least some of the time will be better.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Don't 3bet/call with TT. As deuces said, it's very very rarely going to be a good idea to flat 4bets OOP (in general, but particularly at the micros) especially with a hand as vulnerable as TT.

Are we x/f any A-high or K-high board since villain can have AK? What about Q-high? Just gets ugly fast. 3bet/5bet-ship or 3bet/fold should be the default if you're going to 3bet at all, but personally I think flatting here at least some of the time will be better.

Ye thanks for advice I agree, I talked myself into calling because of the pot odds/implied odds :/

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Yeah those pot odds can be tricky at times.

I can't find it atm but if I think of it later I'll try to find a chart that shows, for each PP, the probability that an overcard will flop.

 

[orangepeeleo]

I think the reason for a $ account was because that's the currency games I play in the most, so no worries with rates when using auto topup etc, either way I'll make that $20 back, plus another $20 tonight.

FMP , iPoker confirmed soft!

 

[Logan2]

Did you cash in any 235fpp this month, Peels?, that also count like cashback on Stars. Also been thinking on the change to Ipoker but not sure, this month get $10.90 for a 235satty + a $10 stellar = $20.90 cashback on Stars. Raked $60 so far mixing 5-10nl, so i´m getting 33% cashback but only on this month, Feb don´t get nothing and January just 1 satty but not stelllar.

The fact Stellars are not monthly unless can reach the 750vpps (which at the time can´t,) and also that need to play the 235fpps and actually win to get anything, make a 50+% deal really better. If can settle myself on 10nl before month end could try it.

What make me doubt is the reviews and bad fame of Ipoker on the Bot/software/support front. I guess need to think it little more.


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[orangepeeleo]

Yeah I cashed 1/3 and made a $10 stellar, I just don't want my rewards to depend on cashing in a luckbox sng hyper, thats 2/6 i've cashed this year now I think, and only my 2nd stellar. If I cash in all 3 this month plus the stellar that would've made like 30%~ and we all know there's no hope of that happening every month at all, least with this I get 55% every Monday, and I'm gonna make back more in the next 3/4 weeks at iPoker than I have in 3 months at stars.

I suppose you have to weigh up the pro's and cons, i've already wrote an AHK script to improve the software, the traffics fine for 20nl games (£/$ & e) and supports through online chat instantly so i'm happy enough, I don't play enough volume to get much from stars so I might as well get the most out of my time and play elsewhere.

Ladbrokes is moving to iPoker in the v.near future too so traffic will only get better.

 

[Logan2]

Was reading on the Ipoker thread about a Tier1/Tier2 divide on the network? What this mean and on what Tier we want to play?.
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[micromachine]

Thoughts on my river sizing? Shoving would've been better, or different size bet?

Villain is a passive nit 12/9, 3%3b, 122 hands


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP ($5.61)
CO ($7.36)
Button ($2.29)
SB ($2.42)
Hero (BB) ($12.60)
UTG ($7.06)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4

, 4

2 folds, CO bets $0.15, 1 fold, SB calls $0.13, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.45) 5

, J

, 4

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.05, CO calls $0.65

Turn: ($2.55) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.60, CO calls $1.60

River: ($5.75) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $2.75, CO calls $2.75

Total pot: $11.25 | Rake: $0.47

 

[micromachine]

Edit: he's not that passive, not sure why I wrote that...he's just a nit

 

[Cafeman]

Difficult to get much more value out of a nit given the run out imo. He probably only calls the river with a turned set of Qs lol

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I like the sizing as you miiiight keep a stubborn AJ in, but I'm struggling to figure out what he can have here tbh. Maybe it's too early in the morning though...

Did you have a really loose image here? And even if you did does he know that??