MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[Cafeman]

Get your games up and running and I'll join in for a looky if you like? You're on stars.com right?

 

[micromachine]

But if we peg him as a TAG (which includes cbetter + bet/folder) and we know he mostly has nothing here, then raising here as a bluff is never going to be too bad. That's all I meant. On top of which, if he's paying attention, and he probably will be, then he'll begin to notice your raising flop % is a bit out of whack, so he'll start making errors. Suddenly we start getting more value out of our monsters on the rare occasions we actually flop them.

I played this hand this morning vs a 21/17 cbet 85% 700hands.

IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players

CO: $20.40 (102 bb)
BTN: $21.50 (107.5 bb)
Hero (SB): $20 (100 bb)
BB: $20 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8

9

CO folds, BTN raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.50, BB folds

Flop: ($1.40) T

7

3

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.80, Hero raises to $2.40, BTN folds

Results: $3 pot ($0.18 rake)
Final Board: T

7

3

BTN mucked and lost (-$1.40 net)
Hero mucked 8

9

and won $2.82 ($1.42 net)


Standard right?

Yes standard, I make these kind of plays too...but maybe not often enough. Wondering if I'm slightly too passive/SD nit in general so my flop raises are being respected by the regs hmmmmm

 

[micromachine]

Good fold vs a nit? 17/11, 3%3b, 700 hands


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($5.07)
SB ($5.09)
BB ($5.64)
UTG ($2.50)
MP ($5)
Hero (CO) ($20.67)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q

, K

2 folds, Hero bets $0.17, 2 folds, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.36) J

, 10

, 9

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.86) 10

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.60, BB calls $0.60

River: ($2.06) Q

(2 players)
BB bets $1.46, Hero folds

Total pot: $2.06 | Rake: $0.09

Results below:

Spoiler

BB didn't show

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Yep good fold imo. This is a full house like all the time.

Edit: Careful how you define "nit" though imo. I think the reason it's a fold is because he's so passive. The reason I'd fold to a nit here is because the only thing I can put him on is PPs.

 

[AlfieAA]

Sick hand mm, yeah does look like a boat here, solid fold but very tempting to pay him off to see, but then that would be results orientated hey.....do you think he would 3bet with pocket queens?...what do you have him on 10-Q?...you would think he would 3bet with jacks too.and he would deffo limp call with 9's so that's a likely hand...pretty sick if he has AQ or something but yeah very disciplined fold...wp

 

[Matt Vaughan]

He only has a 3% 3bet over a decent sample. He's not necessarily 3betting JJ, and likely not QQ all the time. So even more likely he can have a boat here.

 

[AlfieAA]

He only has a 3% 3bet over a decent sample. He's not necessarily 3betting JJ, and likely not QQ all the time. So even more likely he can have a boat here.

So does that mean he is 3betting 3% of 700 hands....sorry to sound thick, I'm just getting into the 3bet % now....

 

[AlfieAA]

Right lads, we are in MP and an UTG+1 nit 13/7 over 120 hands 200bb's open raises x3 and we look down and have pocket jacks, what do we do here?.....I tanked it and was gonna fold them!

 

[Cafeman]

700 hands is the sample size. Do you use a HUD Alfie?

 

[Cafeman]

Right lads, we are in MP and an UTG+1 nit 13/7 over 120 hands 200bb's open raises x3 and we look down and have pocket jacks, what do we do here?.....I tanked it and was gonna fold them!

Right, so you do use a HUD.

13% of the time he voluntarily puts money in the pot. That means on average 13/100 he puts money into the pot. The 120 hands is the sample size we have on him. It gives us an idea of how confident we can be that 13% is a true reflection of how often he actually voluntarily puts money in the pot. You get me?

As for the above hand, obv call.

 

[micromachine]

So does that mean he is 3betting 3% of 700 hands....sorry to sound thick, I'm just getting into the 3bet % now....

Yeah, I think 3% 3b means he 3bet 21 times over 700 hands.

Obv those times he did 3bet are going to be mostly from the BTN and the blinds, so his 3b stat from MP might be 1% and his 3b stat from the BTN might be 6%.

What I'm not sure about is whether UTG, where you can't 3bet from (unless you limp then reraise...not sure if that's a 3bet though??), is included or whether the stat means he 3bet 3% of the times when he could 3bet ie from the other seats. Anyone know that?

 

[micromachine]

Right lads, we are in MP and an UTG+1 nit 13/7 over 120 hands 200bb's open raises x3 and we look down and have pocket jacks, what do we do here?.....I tanked it and was gonna fold them!

Deffo call, I'd be calling with all PP's here to setmine

 

[Jackle43]

Right lads, we are in MP and an UTG+1 nit 13/7 over 120 hands 200bb's open raises x3 and we look down and have pocket jacks, what do we do here?.....I tanked it and was gonna fold them!

Call and assess on the flop? never folding jacks pre to a single raise are we?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

>.<

If you have 700 hands against him total, then no, it is NOT 21/700 hands...

3bet stat = # of times 3bet / # of opportunities to 3bet

To have an opportunity to 3bet, it must have been raised and come to you with no one else 3betting. In a total sample of 700 hands, the 3bet sample is likely in the realm of 20-40 hands.

 

[Cafeman]

Yeah, I think 3% 3b means he 3bet 21 times over 700 hands.

Right, well you are the one who provided the stats, so either it's 700 opportunities he had to 3bet and he only did it 21 times OR (more likely) you've played 700 hands with him in total. Which is it?

 

[Cafeman]

So we posted at almost the same time it looks like

I thought you were a scientist MM? I spent most of my post doc doing multivariate analyses, what do you do, make the coffee? lmao

 

[micromachine]

^^ Listen to him not me

I think that there are going to be way more opportunities to 3bet than 20-40 out of 700 hands...more like 150 opportunities I reckon.

edit: this is reply to scourrge post btw but CM posted inbetween

 

[micromachine]

Right, well you are the one who provided the stats, so either it's 700 opportunities he had to 3bet and he only did it 21 times OR (more likely) you've played 700 hands with him in total. Which is it?

700 hands total

 

[Jackle43]

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 2163678
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (MP2): $2.84
CO: $1.57
BTN: $2.09
SB: $2.65
BB: $0.66
UTG: $3.15
UTG+1: $1.97
MP1: $0.78

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP2 with A ♦ K ♦
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, CO calls $0.06, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.15) T ♥ 6 ♣ J ♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.10, CO calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.35) Q ♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.22, CO calls $0.22

River: ($0.79) K ♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.60, Hero???

Put this hand on my thread but not getting to much action on it atm

 

[micromachine]

I thought you were a scientist MM? I spent most of my post doc doing multivariate analyses, what do you do, make the coffee? lmao

8 month old son = tired = brainfart

 

[micromachine]

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 2163678
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (MP2): $2.84
CO: $1.57
BTN: $2.09
SB: $2.65
BB: $0.66
UTG: $3.15
UTG+1: $1.97
MP1: $0.78

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP2 with A ♦ K ♦
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, CO calls $0.06, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.15) T ♥ 6 ♣ J ♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.10, CO calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.35) Q ♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.22, CO calls $0.22

River: ($0.79) K ♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.60, Hero???

Put this hand on my thread but not getting to much action on it atm

Call dude, don't be scared of the flush

 

[Jackle43]

Call dude, don't be scared of the flush

No but are we just calling it? or raising, he had been pretty passive, not spewy or aggro

 

[micromachine]

No but are we just calling it? or raising, he had been pretty passive, not spewy or aggro

Can't see much point in raising tbh unless he's a complete fish

 

[AlfieAA]

Right, so you do use a HUD.



13% of the time he voluntarily puts money in the pot. That means on average 13/100 he puts money into the pot. The 120 hands is the sample size we have on him. It gives us an idea of how confident we can be that 13% is a true reflection of how often he actually voluntarily puts money in the pot. You get me?



As for the above hand, obv call.

Thanks cafe, yeah I get you......so say its 13/7 120 hands, which would mean his limping range is 6% and his raising range is 7%...that right?....so I would put the 7% on stove and get his raising range...which means putting my jj's and his 7% we get 55%-45% in our favour....that ok?....and yeah I 3betted and he folded lol, so he prob had 88 or something

 

[Jackle43]

Can't see much point in raising tbh unless he's a complete fish

Yeah Didn't think so, I was a bit scared of the flush because he was pretty passive so when he raised it seemed pretty strong