***PLO Cash Game Thread***

[bubbasbestbabe]

Trying for a steal, figuring I at least had the nut low to fall back on. Glad this turned out the way it did.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($0.96)
BB ($3)
UTG ($7.42)
MP ($4.34)
Hero (CO) ($4.81)
Button ($1.57)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4

, A

, 2

, 9

UTG calls $0.02, MP calls $0.02, Hero bets $0.10, 1 fold, SB calls $0.09, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.08, MP raises to $0.34, Hero calls $0.24, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.24

Flop: ($1.14) 8

, J

, 6

(3 players)

UTG checks, MP bets $0.20, Hero raises to $1.69, 1 fold, MP raises to $4 (All-In), Hero calls $2.31

Turn: ($9.14) 6

(2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($9.14) 8

(2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $9.14 | Rake: $0.45
Results:
MP had 5

, Q

, 9

, 10

(Hi: one pair, eights).
Hero had 4

, A

, 2

, 9

(Hi: one pair, eights).
Outcome: Hero won $8.69

 

[Caysewell]

I'm a plo noob. I have two hands here against the same villain. Would be great if you could check my line.

First hand, villain just sat down on the table. I bet the flop and turn for value and check/call the river to let him bluff a missed flush draw. The Ace could have made him a better two pair too.

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 678517
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UTG: $17.68
MP: $22.68
CO: $10.50
BTN: $10.00
Hero (SB): $12.44
BB: $9.90

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with J

K

7

8

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) K

7

2

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, BB calls $0.60

Turn: ($1.80) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.60, BB calls $1.60

River: ($5.00) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $3, Hero calls $3


Second hand, two orbits later, against same villain. He has been in every pot, calling with junk and betting with weak hands.

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 678519
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CO: $4.25
BTN: $10.09
SB: $10.00
Hero (BB): $15.25
UTG: $11.59

CO posts a big blind ($0.10)

Pre Flop: ($0.25) Hero is BB with 9

7

6

6

UTG calls $0.10, CO checks, BTN calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.45) T

8

4

(4 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.45, CO calls $0.45, BTN folds, Hero raises to $2.25, UTG raises to $7.65, CO folds, Hero raises to $13.05, UTG calls $3.84 all in

Since it was a limped pot and the pot size is small, I decided to check/raise. In previous hands, when I lead out, almost the whole table would call. Is the check/raise standard?

 

[slycbnew]

Hand 1 - cbetting full pot isn't necessary - my standard cbet is 2/3 - 3/4 psb. I don't mind stealing pf w this hand, but it's def not a great hand. I'd bet the turn smaller and c/c the river as you did.

Hand 2 - I don't like the c/r - we have strong equity, but it over-reps our hand - I'd rather bet out in the limped pot and gauge reactions.

 

[slycbnew]

This hand is from a $1/$2 7 game table (recently I've been playing some HORSE, 7 game on FT, and 8 game on PS). If you've never played mixed games before, it's really interesting - since nobody really plays each game equally well, you get an opportunity to play at people in the games you think they're weaker in.

I was shocked to see his hand, I was worried I was in bad shape either from AAxx or a huge draw - stacking 200bb's deep was not part of my plan on that flop, waited for a clean turn card before grudgingly shipping it, less than thrilled all the way. But like I say, you can pick out players who are not very good at a specific game, and I felt he wasn't a good PLO player...

Full Tilt Poker $0.20/$0.40 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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SB: $79.60
BB: $31.90
UTG: $17.80
MP: $84.95
CO: $40.00
Hero (BTN): $80.00

Pre Flop: ($0.60) Hero is BTN with J:heart: 7:diamond: J:club: 7:club:
UTG raises to $1.40, MP calls $1.40, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.40, SB calls $1.20, BB calls $1

Flop: ($7.00) J:diamond: 2:heart: A:heart: (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $4.80, SB raises to $21.40, BB folds, UTG folds, MP folds, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $16.60

Turn: ($49.80) 6:diamond: (2 players)
SB bets $49.80, Hero requests TIME, Hero raises to $57.20 all in, SB calls $7 all in

River: ($163.40) 3:diamond: (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $163.40
SB shows J:spade: A:diamond: K:heart: Q:club: (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
Hero shows J:heart: 7:diamond: J:club: 7:club: (three of a kind, Jacks)
Hero wins $160.40
(Rake: $3.00)

 

[WVHillbilly]

Anyone ITT read Jeff Hwang's new short-handed PLO book?

 

[slycbnew]

Not yet - fwiw, I've seen fairly positive reviews of the book in places I didn't expect to see them (i.e., in forums that were pretty critical of his first book)...

 

[orangepeeleo]

Nice session yesterday, this guy was playing 87/37 and paying people off with all sorts, i took about 4 BI's off him in the end If he turns up with 78xx here i just cry and stamp my feet a bit but he does this with literally A4C lol

IPoker Network $2.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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UTG: $8.18
CO: $1.00
BTN: $0.72
Hero (SB): $5.23
BB: $3.80

Pre Flop: ($0.04) Hero is SB with K:diamond: A:diamond: K:heart: 9:club:
1 fold, CO calls $0, BTN raises to $0.09, Hero raises to $0.31, BB calls $0.29, 1 fold, BTN raises to $0.72, Hero calls $0.41, BB calls $0.41

Flop: ($2.17) T:club: 6:spade: 9:diamond: (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2.18, Hero raises to $4.51, BB calls $0.90 all in

Turn: ($8.33) 3:club: (3 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($8.33) T:heart: (3 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $8.33
BTN shows 2:diamond: 2:spade: A:heart: Q:heart:
BB shows 5:club: 9:spade: J:heart: 5:spade:
Hero wins $7.79
(Rake: $0.54)

 

[BenLZ]

I never raise OOP in this game. I've basically been doing a modified version of nut peddling in 6 max and it's been working fine.

Playing the overpair OOP is really tricky, especially against multiple opponents. It's not a hand I can comfortably bet out against multiple opponents OOP because 2 pair is flopped 10% of the time and then we need to factor in draws and sets. I'll never raise OOP. I'll raise with premium drawing hands but I much prefer calling given so much depends on the texture of the board and there's not much room for bluffing.

 

[LuckyChippy]

I played some PLO today. Flopping a straight with an OESFD is sweet. Making it on the river is better.

 

[Tygran]

Anyone ITT read Jeff Hwang's new short-handed PLO book?

I have and have read both his books...

Do NOT get his first one... it's geared more towards a full ring PLO table and is very VERY nitty.

His second isn't bad though, worth a look.



// If you aren't a DC member I'd join there and watch some PLO vids over the Hwang book though

 

[Tygran]

Oh and I'm having a hell of a heater right now... at a mix of $25 and $50 PLO

I've also been playing a fair amount of Rush PLO

 

[Tygran]

I can't find the hand history for some reason ><

Had one of the craziest hands the other day... villain is pretty aggro, but not stupid.


My hand: 8s8d7d7c


I raised on the btn, villain 3 bets and i call.

Flop comes out: 6d7s8c

He bets, I call

Turn: 9d

Villain bets pot,... ?



At this point I'm almost willing to stick it in just to see if I can get there....


2 outs to quads, 2 outs to a straight/flush


I'm thinking he's probably got a straight, but will at least have a pair + flush draw (or combo draw).

 

[WVHillbilly]

I can't find the hand history for some reason ><

Had one of the craziest hands the other day... villain is pretty aggro, but not stupid.


My hand: 8s8d7d7c


I raised on the btn, villain 3 bets and i call.

Flop comes out: 6d7s8c

He bets, I call

Turn: 9d

Villain bets pot,... ?



At this point I'm almost willing to stick it in just to see if I can get there....


2 outs to quads, 2 outs to a straight/flush


I'm thinking he's probably got a straight, but will at least have a pair + flush draw (or combo draw).

You've got the boat outs too. How deep are the stacks?

I've actually read Jeff's 1st book and I did pick up #2 recently (day after I posted the question above).

 

[BenLZ]

Not PLO, but close. Thoughts on pre-flop 3bet? Too passive with nut low? Just don't want to be up against an A2.

Stage #C2599724: Omaha Hi/Lo Normal $1.00/$2.00 - 2010-05-12 20:15:26 (ET)
Table: Faith Dr (real money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - KAWBOYZX11 ($41.80 in chips)
Seat 4 - ACESAREWIN99 ($40.12 in chips)
Seat 5 - TEREXTA30000 ($20.49 in chips)
Seat 6 - ILBCNUL8R ($70.01 in chips)
Seat 7 - PAULTCHA ($44.17 in chips)
Seat 8 - JUNTA999 ($7.39 in chips)
Seat 9 - NADA57 ($52.15 in chips)
Seat 1 - BENLZ ($45.75 in chips)
ACESAREWIN99 - Posts small blind $0.50
TEREXTA30000 - Posts big blind $1.00
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to BENLZ [Ac 8c 9s 3s]
ILBCNUL8R - Folds
PAULTCHA - Raises $2.00 to $2.00
JUNTA999 - Folds
NADA57 - Folds
BENLZ - Raises $3.00 to $3.00
KAWBOYZX11 - Calls $3.00
ACESAREWIN99 - Folds
TEREXTA30000 - Folds
PAULTCHA - Raises $2.00 to $4.00
BENLZ - Calls $1.00
KAWBOYZX11 - Calls $1.00
*** FLOP *** [Kd 5c 7s]
PAULTCHA - Bets $1.00
BENLZ - Calls $1.00
KAWBOYZX11 - Raises $2.00 to $2.00
PAULTCHA - Raises $2.00 to $3.00
BENLZ - Calls $2.00
KAWBOYZX11 - Raises $2.00 to $4.00
PAULTCHA - Calls $1.00
BENLZ - Calls $1.00
*** TURN *** [Kd 5c 7s] [2h]
PAULTCHA - Checks
BENLZ - Checks
KAWBOYZX11 - Bets $2.00
PAULTCHA - Calls $2.00
BENLZ - Calls $2.00
*** RIVER *** [Kd 5c 7s 2h] [6c]
PAULTCHA - Checks
BENLZ - Checks
KAWBOYZX11 - Bets $2.00
PAULTCHA - Calls $2.00
BENLZ - Raises $4.00 to $4.00
KAWBOYZX11 - Calls $2.00
PAULTCHA - Calls $2.00
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BENLZ - Shows [Ac 8c 9s 3s] (Straight, five to nine)
KAWBOYZX11 - Mucks
PAULTCHA - Mucks
BENLZ Collects $41.50 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($43.50) | Rake ($2.00)
Board [Kd 5c 7s 2h 6c]
Seat 1: BENLZ won Total ($41.50) HI$20.75) with Straight, five to nine [Ac 8c 9s 3s - P:9s,P:8c,B:7s,B:6c,B:5c] LO$20.75) [P:Ac,B:2h,P:3s,B:5c,B:6c]
Seat 3: KAWBOYZX11 (dealer) HI: [Mucked] [Qs Jc Kc Kh]
Seat 4: ACESAREWIN99 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: TEREXTA30000 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: ILBCNUL8R Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 7: PAULTCHA HI: [Mucked] [As 5h 8h Ad]
Seat 8: JUNTA999 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 9: NADA57 Folded on the POCKET CARDS

 

[slycbnew]

On the turn, if we'd also had a fd, I don't think it's close, we need to jam w the current nut low and draws to the high hand. I'm not 100% on this, but even w only a gutshot to go w our current nut low, I'm jamming the turn - we're going to get counterfeited and quartered occasionally, but in a pot raised pf like this, it's much more likely that any low hand got "counterfeited" on the turn.

Oh, and I'm fine w the 3bet pf.

 

[BenLZ]

Thoughts on pf raise? I had another hand like this where I didn't pfr, I'm always just paranoid about going up against an A2.

 

[slycbnew]

by jam, i mean raise and cap.

 

[BenLZ]

Anybody else suck at hold'em since switching to omaha?

 

[slycbnew]

:wavey: yup

 

[cAPSLOCK]

I have noticed that I am folding more than I used to in nlhe, and perhaps more than I should be.

Definately a PLO(8) side effect.

 

[c9h13no3]

Dealt to BENLZ [Ac 8c 9s 3s]
...

I hate everything about this hand. I don't like the preflop 3-bet, I don't like sticking through a jam on that flop with 7 outs to half (three deuces, four sixes). I really hate that when you hit one of those rare occasion gin cards, you don't jam the turn. I guess the river is kinda okay, but its hard to misplay a hand when you hit the super duper parlay of hitting a deuce and a six after that flop.

I call pre, and fold to the first flop bet. I suppose drawing to the second nuts is slightly less bad since it was capped pre, and you have to stay in pots with marginal holdings more often, but either way, I'm not a fan of this hand.

 

[BenLZ]

I don't usually pre-flop 3-bet with this type of hand, but I watched a session on FT academy saying that type of hand was good to isolate with, although I've read Jeff Hwang's book and he doesn't say much about 3-betting to isolate. Folding the flop is not an option with so much in the pot. 2 backdoor draws, gutshot, and it turns out my A3 was good for the low.

Yeah, the fear about the turn is getting quartered. I have no high whatsoever save the gutshot. It was obviously right to jam the turn in retrospect. Thing is its just not uncommon for another A3 to be out there. I think the odds of it are like 36% in full ring. But yeah, it can be confusing to play the nut low since you're going to be getting quartered on the bare nut low a good amount of the time.

 

[c9h13no3]

I watched a session on FT academy saying that type of hand was good to isolate with

Full Tilt academy is pretty terrible. 3-betting accomplishes nothing except getting the hand heads up if villain is a fish. But as you can see, at $1/$2, an opponent still called 3 bets cold with a KKQJ hand. By 3-betting A3, you're essentially shutting out worse low draws (23, A4) and value-towning yourself when they hold A2 or a strong AAW hand. With a suited ace (another pulling combination), and bad side cards to go with A3 (8 and the 9 do not connect at all with the A3), I certainly think flatting pre is the best play.

Usually when a flop is capped with a low draw, at least one opponent doing the capping has an A2. Especially when one of those opponents called three cold pre. If you remove the "it turns out my A3 was good for low" your hand sounds like this: "I have 2 backdoor draws (one of them to a 9 high flush), and a gutshot (that will put a low card on the board, and I'll likely still chop with an A2)." Doesn't sound like a big money winner to me. I think since we absolutely bloated this pot, I suppose sticking around is the best play, but I would much rather have only 3.5 big bets in the pot (as opposed to 6.5) so I could fold the flop without a lot of regret.

Yeah, the fear about the turn is getting quartered. I have no high whatsoever. It was obviously right to jam the turn in retrospect. Thing is its just not uncommon for another A3 to be out there. I think the odds of it are like 36% in full ring. But yeah, it can be confusing to play the nut low since you're going to be getting quartered on the bare nut low a good amount of the time.

So.... you're scared of another A3 out there on the turn, but not scared of an A2 on the flop when our opponent's actions indicate A2 is in their range? Do you understand how silly that sounds? You have the nuts, jam it.

 

[Tygran]

Anybody else suck at hold'em since switching to omaha?

That's a great big affirmative...

plus I find hold em freaking boring now

 

[et1961]

limit games

I don't play many limit or pot limit games and here is why. This has happened to me live and on line.

I have been dealt good starting cards (hold-em, for an example) like AA,KK orQQ. I have raised the max allowed and got callers. I have raised the max allowed on every street and still got callers. My opponents who are usually on a draw, end up getting there one or two outer card. I end up getting beat.

I am confident if I were able to put in a much higher raise I would have taken down the pot. The whole problem is that when other players know that it is only going to cost them a minimum amount of chips, they go ahead and make donk calls hoping to get lucky and draw out. Limit games seem to offer a special invitation to THE BIG DONKS of poker.