***PLO Cash Game Thread***

[Makwa]

Oh, I'll change the thread name back to PLO and start an O8 thread later today.

YAY!!!! :congrats: :driver: :icon_chee

Ok what r some discussion numbers for PLO8?? :stickyman

 

[slycbnew]

I usually don't like to post brags, but this was so, so satisfying - SB was a royal pain prior to this hand (the table broke up immediately after this hand). Didn't expect CO to come along for the ride on the flop, got lucky that he had the second nuts...

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
PL Omaha $0.25(BB) Poker Stars

SB ($29.45)
Hero ($29.50)
CO ($16.45)
BTN ($31.30)

Dealt to Hero A:spade: K:spade: A:diamond: Q:diamond:
CO raises to $0.85, BTN calls $0.85, SB calls $0.75, Hero raises to $4.25, CO calls $3.40, BTN calls $3.40, SB calls $3.40

FLOP ($17) 7:diamond: 4:diamond: 5:diamond:
SB bets $16.15, Hero raises to $25.25 (AI), CO calls $12.20 (AI), BTN folds, SB calls $9.05 (AI)

TURN ($79.60) 7:diamond: 4:diamond: 5:diamond: J:diamond:

RIVER ($79.60) 7:diamond: 4:diamond: 5:diamond: J:diamond: 5:heart:

CO shows T:heart: K:diamond: J:heart: T:diamond:
(Pre 30%, Flop 2.9%, Turn 0.0%)
SB shows 6:heart: J:spade: 8:club: 6:spade:
(Pre 20%, Flop 2.9%, Turn 0.0%)
Hero shows A:spade: K:spade: A:diamond: Q:diamond:
(Pre 50%, Flop 94.3%, Turn 100.0%)

Hero wins $77.60

 

[c9h13no3]

They always have 8d6d when I do that.

 

[slycbnew]

hm, you're right - I flopped second nuts, CO flopped third. Well, the hand would have gotten posted then too, just with a very different tone lol.

 

[WVHillbilly]

hm, you're right - I flopped third nuts, CO flopped fourth. Well, the hand would have gotten posted then too, just with a very different tone lol.

fyp

 

[cAPSLOCK]

And of course 3 handed the fact that they are 11th nuts on the river is kinda standard and scary. But, that's the nature of this game, and doesn't change the way you have to play that hand.

Nice, nice pot!

 

[BenLZ]

Does anyone play on Sportsbook or Bodog and know how the Omaha games are there? How are the Omaha games are Stars? I can't even deposit on Stars, they've started asking for a SSN on echecks and I don't want to give them mine. My bankroll has been decimated since I started playing tired at like 3 am. I'm pretty sure I'm up in 10PLO mainly by nut peddling with steal bets but those 3 hour O8 sessions that start at midnight have sucked.

 

[bubbasbestbabe]

I think you should incorporate both games in this thread. PLO and O/8 have basic shared strategies. I play both. And it would be a real pain jumping back and forth between threads. The only thing that would be needed here would be to post in the title of your thread whether it is PLO, NLO, or O/8. That would end some confusion for the readers and posters.

 

[slycbnew]

bbb and everyone - how about we go w Pot Limit/No Limit Omaha Games here. I agree w bbb that PLO and PLO8 share so many common strategies that it doesn't make sense to separate PLO8 out in particular. bbb's suggestion to title or preface threads w the game type makes sense.

I'm kinda stuck on LO8 though, it looks like PLO8, but plays more like stud8. Think we might try a specific thread for next month on LO8, similar to the LHE thread in the Learning poker forum, and see what kind of interest it generates. But I'm sure it won't be enough to sustain a separate thread just for LO8, so that may be a one month hiatus from having LO8 here.

 

[brank]

damn L08 is a frustrating game. full of these guys that love to pay rake

 

[c9h13no3]

damn L08 is a frustrating game. full of these guys that love to pay rake

Every newbie thinks that...

 

[Makwa]

PLO

Does anyone play on Sportsbook or Bodog and know how the Omaha games are there? How are the Omaha games are Stars?

Both Bodog and stars are pretty soft, particularly on nights/weekends when peeps try to relax with a few brewskies and try some omaha... bodog is softer but less games, stars has great selection. Table selection is crucial though, there are some regs around who can punish you... Now I am tracking PLO they r easier to spot...

I think you should incorporate both games in this thread. PLO and O/8 have basic shared strategies. I play both. And it would be a real pain jumping back and forth between threads. The only thing that would be needed here would be to post in the title of your thread whether it is PLO, NLO, or O/8. That would end some confusion for the readers and posters.

Ya I thought of that too, that could work...

 

[brank]

Every newbie thinks that...

ya, no doubt im a total newb. was playin 2plo08(not L08, my mistake) for the hell of it last night.

so fill me in then. is it standard to shove pot with the nut low on the river trying to scoop the pot without a showdown? it kinda makes sense but is it a good play in the long run? saw some crazy s**t last night at the $2 tables, cant really assume that these guys are making +ev plays. obvs imma total donk at this game.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

2 cent PLO8 tables are crazy loose passive. Shoving the river with the nut low can be a good play under certain circumstances, but not often. If the pot is multiway and the play/circumstance leads you to believe you will not be quartered, then maybe its a good time, especially when bets are being called on the way to your action.

If you are heads up with a nit and some scare card hits the river then it can be a good time.

I would rather semibluff a turn that gives me high hand outs than try to shove a river if I am gonna try to play fast.

 

[c9h13no3]

so fill me in then. is it standard to shove pot with the nut low on the river trying to scoop the pot without a showdown? it kinda makes sense but is it a good play in the long run? saw some crazy s**t last night at the $2 tables, cant really assume that these guys are making +ev plays. obvs imma total donk at this game.

In PLO8, yes you can use the nut low's equity to try and bluff your opponent off of a high hand in order to scoop. Steve Badger writes a nice little peice on it: http://www.playwinningpoker.com/omaha/pot-limit/plo8/

Read the "freeroll to a bluff" part.

Course, at the $2 tables, I'm sure no one has any clue what they're doing.

But people also yell at me when I cap a hand like an AJ24 on an AJ378 board when they have 9T. Sure, they probably have 9T and have the nuts. But I'll often be capping against another 24 as well, which I will usually have quartered. Or I'll jam weird nut lows, or nut lows in 4+ way pots. Omaha is a game of dead money, and when you've got the nuts one way, you should be willing to tax all the others drawing against you. Or sometimes raising a nut low will increase your chances of quartering a player if you can knock out high hands that are better than yours. There are lots of reasons to raise what look like naked nut low hands, and newbies just think these players are "maniacs who like to pay rake".

 

[brank]

ya thats a good read. ill have to read it again to let it sink in more tho...

my main beef was 1 hand in particular where i was HU and betting pot on the flop and turn and dude jams the river with his nut low that he caught needing to hit perfect perfect, meh, im not complaining when they do that, its just that he jams the river when its obvs(only to me i guess) that im never folding. i forget what i had exactly but it was the nuts for high and a decent low... anyways we both lost like .20 each in the hand. guess thats standard tho and you make your $$$ when you scoop pots.

other then that, ya still a frustrating game to wrap your head around for a newb like me. so i guess you can expect a lot of stacks goin in on the river with this game? also, you got any more links to good articles

 

[Tygran]

Fun times

No idea why... but there was nobody playing .25/.50 rush tonight.... lots of people playing .10/.25 and .50/1

so i ended up on a couple $25 PLO rush tables and this was the result a couple hours later

would you guys believe I am having LESS variance at rush than I do at 6 max regular over a decent sample?

 

[slycbnew]

lol, any thoughts why? Are you playing tighter? Or maybe everyone else is?

 

[brendasong]

in general you need to get ~35% or more of your stack in preflop to go nuts 3betting/4betting them. However super strong AAxx you can jam regardless preflop (like AAQQ DS or AAJT DS etc)

Bubble Shooter games

 

[Tygran]

lol, any thoughts why? Are you playing tighter? Or maybe everyone else is?

I probably am sort of playing a little bit tighter... but I don't think that's it.

I'd say 90%+ of the people playing rush plo are super predictable, super TAG, ABC. And they are incredibly easy to play against. The ones that aren't usually make it obvious fairly quick too.

One of the most useful notes I think you can take on a player are things like if he 3bets or c/r's alot...some people do this a ridiculous amount at rush.


I don't really know entirely why this is and it took me a bit to get the hand of rush but it almost feels too easy to beat right now.

 

[Marginal]

I probably am sort of playing a little bit tighter... but I don't think that's it.

I'd say 90%+ of the people playing rush plo are super predictable, super TAG, ABC. And they are incredibly easy to play against. The ones that aren't usually make it obvious fairly quick too.

One of the most useful notes I think you can take on a player are things like if he 3bets or c/r's alot...some people do this a ridiculous amount at rush.


I don't really know entirely why this is and it took me a bit to get the hand of rush but it almost feels too easy to beat right now.

Totally agree with this, everyone i was playing with was way too tight and usually gave up on any hand that was not nuts or second nuts. I just ended up being really really aggro post flop, making a lot of double and triple barrells, c/r some wetish boards etc. I think it is a lot more profitable being overally aggro, approaching maniacal type becuase people have not shown the willingness to adjust.

 

[Tygran]

Totally agree with this, everyone i was playing with was way too tight and usually gave up on any hand that was not nuts or second nuts. I just ended up being really really aggro post flop, making a lot of double and triple barrells, c/r some wetish boards etc. I think it is a lot more profitable being overally aggro, approaching maniacal type becuase people have not shown the willingness to adjust.

Agreed... but just watch out for the people who have adjusted or are just out and out maniacs themselves....

for instance you will still run into people who think a 6 high flush draw is worth jamming and check/raising with... I also lost a hand other day who raises UTG and calls a good sized 3 bet with 8433 SS... then he calls a pot bet on a flop he misses to turn a 3 and jam it in.... so the crazies are still out there, but there are the vast minority.

 

[Marginal]

Agreed... but just watch out for the people who have adjusted or are just out and out maniacs themselves....

for instance you will still run into people who think a 6 high flush draw is worth jamming and check/raising with... I also lost a hand other day who raises UTG and calls a good sized 3 bet with 8433 SS... then he calls a pot bet on a flop he misses to turn a 3 and jam it in.... so the crazies are still out there, but there are the vast minority.

I actually find that non-rush games on ftp have a lot more maniacs tbh but rush will still yield more $/hr. I am however up more at 50plo rush than I am at 50 and 100 normal tables combined but I just dont want to make the move yet.

 

[Tygran]

I actually find that non-rush games on ftp have a lot more maniacs tbh but rush will still yield more $/hr. I am however up more at 50plo rush than I am at 50 and 100 normal tables combined but I just dont want to make the move yet.

Oh I completely agree... just saying that they are still there and to keep an eye out is all.


BTW wtf is up with 50 PLO rush lately?? Noone has been playing it.

 

[Marginal]

Oh I completely agree... just saying that they are still there and to keep an eye out is all.


BTW wtf is up with 50 PLO rush lately?? Noone has been playing it.

Yeah its really weird, I have been trying to think of ways for that to happen but nothing makes sense. I just have not seen a good game run at that level.