Nikolay Nakhaev
Legend
Silver Level
of course. very funny to lose money in a dishonest game
Jammen
Enthusiast
Silver Level
ACR rewarding the bigger stacks?
I know this is going to sound like complaining, but it seems to happen a lot more than it should. I’m not saying any of the plays against me are poor plays or anything like that. For as long as I can remember when you get your chips all in if a bigger stack calls you, you lose more often than you probably should. Of course I have no stats to back up a claim like this, it’s just an observation I’ve noticed and have started to use in my game. I have started to call all ins with almost any 2 cards if I’m last to act. And yes it seems I win more than I should in that situation. Does anyone else feel this way? I feel like I can predict the cards that are going to come to make the bigger stack win. Rant over!! Just frustrating to play forever in a mtt and get it in good more often than not and still lose more often than not!
I know this is going to sound like complaining, but it seems to happen a lot more than it should. I’m not saying any of the plays against me are poor plays or anything like that. For as long as I can remember when you get your chips all in if a bigger stack calls you, you lose more often than you probably should. Of course I have no stats to back up a claim like this, it’s just an observation I’ve noticed and have started to use in my game. I have started to call all ins with almost any 2 cards if I’m last to act. And yes it seems I win more than I should in that situation. Does anyone else feel this way? I feel like I can predict the cards that are going to come to make the bigger stack win. Rant over!! Just frustrating to play forever in a mtt and get it in good more often than not and still lose more often than not!
finaltable1
Legend
Loyaler
The same story at iPoker network and partypoker.
Yes it's just my observation, and I know what feeling you have there, and I also see it at ACR quite often. Actually I've been exploiting this at iPoker for long time and it still works well. Simply check these 2 situations at ACR/party/ipoker in like 100 deals and compare the results.
1) You're betting 3-4bb pre-flop, short stack goes all-in, and you call. In 70-80% of cases you lose. Hand doesn't really matter.
2) You're sitting behing the short stack, there was no pre-flop raise, but short stack goes all-in, and you call. In 70-80% of cases you win.
and 3rd situation as a bonus.
4 people go all-in infront of you, and you have a dominating stack, CALL WITH ANY TWO CARDS! You have a 70-80% chance to bust them all.
It might sound stupid, cause poker players like to think that random generators are not subjective programs written by humans, but instead they prefer to think that it's something absolutely random and objective. But I've been testing it, I see the results, specially the last one, with 4 all-ins infront of you and you're the dominating stack calling with sick hand like 10-4os or K2 and end up with quads or sick straight. As for the first 2 situations - they work perfectly during early stages of tourneys, specially in rebuys at iPoker and re-entries at ACR. But things change as you approach to the final table
I don't know why, and I don't insist, it's just my observation and experience. It's something like a set of rules while the prize pool is building. It works well during late registration, and it's not working during late stages of the MTT. It's not working in SnGs, not working in cash games, only during rebuy or late registration period at few specific poker platforms, and it works during the first hour of a freeroll. Test it for yourself, it's easy at ACR and iPoker.
It's quite shocking when you're getting 80/20 results by calling monster all-ins with trash hands, while your opponent mathematically ahead in 80% of cases, but instead he's losing in 80% of cases because he haven't played the hand in the right sequence.
Yes it's just my observation, and I know what feeling you have there, and I also see it at ACR quite often. Actually I've been exploiting this at iPoker for long time and it still works well. Simply check these 2 situations at ACR/party/ipoker in like 100 deals and compare the results.
1) You're betting 3-4bb pre-flop, short stack goes all-in, and you call. In 70-80% of cases you lose. Hand doesn't really matter.
2) You're sitting behing the short stack, there was no pre-flop raise, but short stack goes all-in, and you call. In 70-80% of cases you win.
and 3rd situation as a bonus.
4 people go all-in infront of you, and you have a dominating stack, CALL WITH ANY TWO CARDS! You have a 70-80% chance to bust them all.
It might sound stupid, cause poker players like to think that random generators are not subjective programs written by humans, but instead they prefer to think that it's something absolutely random and objective. But I've been testing it, I see the results, specially the last one, with 4 all-ins infront of you and you're the dominating stack calling with sick hand like 10-4os or K2 and end up with quads or sick straight. As for the first 2 situations - they work perfectly during early stages of tourneys, specially in rebuys at iPoker and re-entries at ACR. But things change as you approach to the final table
I don't know why, and I don't insist, it's just my observation and experience. It's something like a set of rules while the prize pool is building. It works well during late registration, and it's not working during late stages of the MTT. It's not working in SnGs, not working in cash games, only during rebuy or late registration period at few specific poker platforms, and it works during the first hour of a freeroll. Test it for yourself, it's easy at ACR and iPoker.
It's quite shocking when you're getting 80/20 results by calling monster all-ins with trash hands, while your opponent mathematically ahead in 80% of cases, but instead he's losing in 80% of cases because he haven't played the hand in the right sequence.
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TRocker69
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Just remember that online poker sites are designed to make money and also it is a computer program and computer programs can be manipulated...I don't think all online poker sites are rigged but there are some I do question (cough cough WPN cough)
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Serbianbeauty
Rock Star
Silver Level
I don't know for sure either, but I certainly hope it is not rigged. It seems like a big risk for companies that are making so much from rake, but when have greedy people ever stopped in the past from doing something wrong just because they have a lot. I will just try to be optimistic and enjoy the process of learning poker through online play and work on my own abilities and skill.
puzzlefish
Legend
Loyaler
There's no risk to the companies. It's not rigged to favour any particular player over the long term. Think of it like a multiplayer slot machine where spinning a win means running good for a tournament or for a cash session, whereas other times it is a mix of run good and run bad, and at worst is a spin for a prolonged run bad. It's very much like that - very subtle rig that isn't visible unless you dissect every player's hand history over an extended period of time.
Rob Hobson
Legend
Loyaler
Hi.
I have just read the article. Very good indeed.
TravelerLloyd
Rock Star
Silver Level
No Trust
Nope, I dont trust online poker.
I once had a nice bankroll that was $500.00 and the poker room closed on me and kept my money that was back in 2007 or thereabouts.
Now I was reading an article that said you should have 30 buy ins for the level of poker you want to buy in at.
So if I wanted $1/$2 level I would need $6,000.00 bankroll. There is no way in hell that I am leaving $6,000.00 online in a poker room.
I was wondering for those that play levels like that are above like $3/$6, where do they keep their bankroll?
Do you just keep enough on there for 1 or 2 buy in's or do you leave it all on there? Especially when trying to clear the bonus money for the deposit? I just don't have the balls to leave that much on here after being burned once
Nope, I dont trust online poker.
I once had a nice bankroll that was $500.00 and the poker room closed on me and kept my money that was back in 2007 or thereabouts.
Now I was reading an article that said you should have 30 buy ins for the level of poker you want to buy in at.
So if I wanted $1/$2 level I would need $6,000.00 bankroll. There is no way in hell that I am leaving $6,000.00 online in a poker room.
I was wondering for those that play levels like that are above like $3/$6, where do they keep their bankroll?
Do you just keep enough on there for 1 or 2 buy in's or do you leave it all on there? Especially when trying to clear the bonus money for the deposit? I just don't have the balls to leave that much on here after being burned once
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errsat
Rising Star
Bronze Level
OK. LET'S make it clear , how IT works:
Distribution of cards from the shuffle deck could be Random in online poker, what is NOT random in online poker ..is The board changing on each street based upon player ACTION . ( that's why i always say ..Deal the BOARD complete once with hole players Cards but keep them covered and registered in HAND History BEFORE PLAYERS GET ANY ACTION. and to be consultabile by all players from table via replayer, registered with hole DATA microsec/sec/min/hour/ tourney etc
ALL POKER SOFTWARE Code USE THE SAME Principle FOR regulating the bad player/new account vs regs /experienced players they could use the ABILITY of the player to regulate the distribution of the board ( that's why you cant possible to setup fishes after you won a big torney money and you switch at low stakes you will always get bad beaten before entering the payed zone.
pokerstars always says that :that dealing is Random , but board is changeling based upon Players Action determine the outcome cards from Board .
is like : we cheat you , we just told you how we dealing the cards .
Here is the link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DkHzOUzDjc go to min 1.30 and pay attention what LEE says....
Im sure here
this is also a getaway say in case someone will ever question RNG in ONline poker ( we told you how we distribute the cards remains to you if you accept to play or not with this system)
Distribution of cards from the shuffle deck could be Random in online poker, what is NOT random in online poker ..is The board changing on each street based upon player ACTION . ( that's why i always say ..Deal the BOARD complete once with hole players Cards but keep them covered and registered in HAND History BEFORE PLAYERS GET ANY ACTION. and to be consultabile by all players from table via replayer, registered with hole DATA microsec/sec/min/hour/ tourney etc
ALL POKER SOFTWARE Code USE THE SAME Principle FOR regulating the bad player/new account vs regs /experienced players they could use the ABILITY of the player to regulate the distribution of the board ( that's why you cant possible to setup fishes after you won a big torney money and you switch at low stakes you will always get bad beaten before entering the payed zone.
pokerstars always says that :that dealing is Random , but board is changeling based upon Players Action determine the outcome cards from Board .
is like : we cheat you , we just told you how we dealing the cards .
Here is the link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DkHzOUzDjc go to min 1.30 and pay attention what LEE says....
Im sure here
this is also a getaway say in case someone will ever question RNG in ONline poker ( we told you how we distribute the cards remains to you if you accept to play or not with this system)
Datdude1
Visionary
Bronze Level
I know that the computer randomly shuffles and deals to every player with the same probabilities but yesterday I was convinced that I was playing against bots. I lost about ten hands in a row where I was in the lead against a player who had a shorter chip stack and as soon as I called their all-in the next card (the turn or river) was the card that killed my hand....highly suspect.
James_Harrison
Rock Star
Silver Level
Alot these days are staked and or sponsored. Basically they are given tens of thousands of dollars to play with either from the site or people sponsoring them.
emk211
Legend
Bronze Level
It seems possible that with all the computer code out there to create programs that could read players betting habits and tailor hands to beat them, but I think the real problem is in cash games.
Imagine, somewhere in a huge room there are players sitting at the same cash tables with someone not aware, 1 player playing 5 other players that are playing with company money, like stockbrokers, and they have nothing to lose and are just there to push the betting, they are paid to just play and really don't care, the only goal is to bust that 1 player out and move on to another.
You really have no clue who you are playing against in a cash game.
Imagine, somewhere in a huge room there are players sitting at the same cash tables with someone not aware, 1 player playing 5 other players that are playing with company money, like stockbrokers, and they have nothing to lose and are just there to push the betting, they are paid to just play and really don't care, the only goal is to bust that 1 player out and move on to another.
You really have no clue who you are playing against in a cash game.
emk211
Legend
Bronze Level
Any game can be rigged, on line or otherwise, I was cheated many years ago by a group of people that had the dealer, and I found out later, several players were just there to be fillers and drive the bets, playing with house money. Casino's can do this regularly, they can take a blackjack table and if a player is winning, dispatch other (house) players to the table to disrupt the flow. Make dumb plays to change the outcome.
TravelerLloyd
Rock Star
Silver Level
It's Rigged
I think it's rigged when you go all in preflop and the guy calls with a 75o and hit a straight.
I think it's rigged when you go all in preflop and the guy calls with a 75o and hit a straight.
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6bet
Enthusiast
Silver Level
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errsat
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Is clearly you don't think like a businessman from current era!
NOTHING LAST FOREVER !
RULE N1 for a businessman!
Jammen
Enthusiast
Silver Level
Yeah but we, the recreational players, don’t know how to deal with variance! It’s so tilting! [emoji12]
Nikolay Nakhaev
Legend
Silver Level
There are many successful players in online poker and they don’t complain about it all.
when we win we praise ourselves. when we lose we blame someone or something
in any business you can become better even if the whole world is against you.
when we win we praise ourselves. when we lose we blame someone or something
in any business you can become better even if the whole world is against you.
edenman1
Legend
Platinum Level
Rigged?
I have seen some really strange things online. Like 'super players' that just dont lose, that can do things others cant (like chat after an all-in when nobody else can). Im in money from poker, so I cant complain, but yeah lol
I have seen some really strange things online. Like 'super players' that just dont lose, that can do things others cant (like chat after an all-in when nobody else can). Im in money from poker, so I cant complain, but yeah lol