Is Online Poker Rigged?

[Stevendewitt7]

Being able to overcome the bad beats is key. The most used analogy is how many times have you beat someone out who had AK AA? I have won some where i was like no way. Ive hit 4 big tournaments in my life of 2 yrs online. 900$, 600$ 455$ and 220$. Ive deposited around 600$. Not doing bad but how many bad beats were in that 600? Alot. Just how the game goes.

 

[puzzlefish]

I have seen some really strange things online. Like 'super players' that just dont lose, that can do things others cant (like chat after an all-in when nobody else can). Im in money from poker, so I cant complain, but yeah lol

I encountered one of those just today on BOL with the KOT freeroll (which is not worth playing by the way with 1 place paid). This guy threw big bets pre-flop with any two, deck hits him every time. I thought I finally got him when I flopped a set of 8s against his TT. Improved to quad 8s on the turn. He rivered a straight flush. I had to look twice just to be sure I was seeing it correctly. That was the turning point where he doubled up through my stack and then this guy continued to bulldoze the entire table orbit after orbit.. it was him with about 14k and me with about 6k, the rest of the table at 1k and below. Bulldozed. It's just silly. Call it whatever you want.

 

[errsat]

The Robinhood algorithm works like this:
Player (A) is a good player has 70+ ability
Player (B) is a new account which has 50 ability
Player (C) is a so called fish player ( the one who try hard to make flush with every 2 suited cards limp from every position raising with no position awareness and list continues....etc)
Cards are distributed in everyone hand , now its the preflop action: and now the ROBIN HOOD algorithm enter in place setting up the board :
it will connect players cards in order Player (A) GIVE massive odds to not fold.
player (B) it might be on a drawn or to hit his TOP pair on the board along with player (C) which is going to catch his NUTS 2/3 OUTER on river card ( rember fish doesn't like to FOLD)
Now comes the Turn : player (A) IT HIT'S HIS SET ON THE TURN. AND PLAYER A IS 2/3 POT BETTING TO DESPERATELY win the pot .
player ( b) might fold but player C (the Fish) it will call the bet and it will hit his River card to complete straight to 1 card vs suited flop and him not having the color of the board.
Does not sound familiar in online poker? ..if you check player C on scope you will see him is bad player or either new account ... for me its a lesson never go allin vs new account or bad players ...your premium will never Hold.

 

[Comboss599]

When i loose a hand on a river again and again then i think that something is wrong with online poker.

 

[Mike Bohanna]

Think about this for a minute.
If online poker is rigged then it would be
(a) Predictable
(b) Beatable due to this fact and ultimately flawed and exploitable.

If you play the players not the cards how could this ever be an issue even if the RNG was coded.

Its all odds related as lets face it 52 cards in a deck in a RNG only combinations of this can occur so you will see bad beats and yes your all in with AK will lose 50% of the time its a mathematical certainty. and AA against 5 players will lose most of the time.

The trick is not to get caught playing outside of a manageable bankroll to foot the downswings.

 

[puzzlefish]

There are different levels of predictability and likewise associated "beatability". It's not just "yes" or "no".

 

[Cajin007]

Thought about it, Still Rigged .......

Think about this for a minute.
If online poker is rigged then it would be
(a) Predictable
(b) Beatable due to this fact and ultimately flawed and exploitable.

If you play the players not the cards how could this ever be an issue even if the RNG was coded.

Its all odds related as lets face it 52 cards in a deck in a RNG only combinations of this can occur so you will see bad beats and yes your all in with AK will lose 50% of the time its a mathematical certainty. and AA against 5 players will lose most of the time.

The trick is not to get caught playing outside of a manageable bankroll to foot the downswings.

Even with manageable bankroll, discipline, and sound mathematical foundation, none of it means crap if the fix is in.
We play on digitally coded poker tables, that were programmed by someone.
God knows if the code is even legit, and most RNGs do have a pick bias that can affect a shuffle.
If anyone Knows, or even figures it out, does anyone really think it will made public?
In poker, Knowledge is power, and no one likes to give power away!

 

[bzvz222]

Just to put my frustration somewhere. I won 1$ on stars chest yesterday, and then I played 6 max KO, got KK, went all in preflop and lost to JJ. It is not that rare ofc, but somehow I feel it always happens when I am on the last $ of my bankroll.

 

[James_Harrison]

I have seen some really strange things online. Like 'super players' that just dont lose, that can do things others cant (like chat after an all-in when nobody else can). Im in money from poker, so I cant complain, but yeah lol

Yeah, alot of us are feeling "super used " lately. There are vids on youtube people talking about it.

 

[molokheia]

Hi There
I wonder if this guys playing ie pokerstars with 2000/5000 or 10.000 buyin
think that poker is rigged?
rgds

 

[laak0157]

for me yes favored donks favored shortstack if you have not got a wide bankroll you have no chance of winning

 

[andsws]

I dont think its rigged but many times Ive got that feeling "expect the unexpected"

 

[Whodahustla]

My experience

If I believe the games are rigged, what the hell am I doing depositing money? To be stolen? I know some players that play pay their bills, if they can I can. At few months ago I could not win any game, so I keep learnig and trying, and trying and learning, and learning and trying again. Nowadays I can bite a little bit of this "cake". Nowadays I am in another level o learning, I need to learn to increase it and not burn it.

I’ve asked myself that question so many times but we as poker players who can’t get to casinos tend to make up excuses for these sites and justify them so we can continue to dump loads of money into them. Do I think it’s rigged? IDK but I have seen a pattern where i’ll dump a little money here and there and have good success. Then just when I build trust up again and start playing big tournaments I can’t seem to break past the amount of chips I started with. I do a little, like from 10,000 to 36,000 chips but then I get bad hand after bad hand and go back down again because the blinds kill you so when you finally get a good one you play it good and still lose. Yesterday, I lost $100 and someone on the App said, “It’s so weird how today I keep seeing players with big hands limp and still lose.” Coincidence? I don’t know. I am starting to believe certain players are being favored and the algorithm learns everybody’s style of play and uses it to maneuver the flow of the game their way.

 

[adriantempo]

People who lose say it's rigged.

People who win say it's awesome.

You don't have to invest money to play.

 

[vitalicharniak]

I don’t remember who was the first to say that everything in the poker has been tweaked, but this assumption is already decades. While the overwhelming majority of accusations about Dumswiches are hardly reasonable, the deliberately adjusted distribution of cards is quite real. If you are serious about online poker, treat such statements with a bit of skepticism, but do not forget to keep your ear

 

[HobokenNJ]

HOWEVER i do have proof that online poker is rigged aside from the RNG / shuffle.

Might I suggest you share your proof. Who is doing the rigging?

 

[Cajin007]

But IT is about money.......

People who lose say it's rigged.

People who win say it's awesome.

You don't have to invest money to play.

Your right, you don't have to invest money.
one can play freerolls and build a bankroll. problem is, "sites" don't like having someone who is fairly good banking stacks. They{ sites }, let those that will redump the winnings back into the site win. Why?, cause they know the money may never leave.

But, someone who is constantly winning and cashing out, will experience "Bankroll Death". they will play, and almost never recoup till they are tapped out. Forcing them to ether rebuild, or (re)deposit. Sites have shareholders, and hate losing money.

Personally, I've lost and won. I still think it's fixed to help certain classes of players.
And I will continue to play. If i'm that decent a player that, they{ sites } have to cooler me, then i guess i just need to get better and more aware, and continue to frustrate the hell out of the "Sites"! :bebored: :bebored: :bebored:

 

[Bluffzone68]

Hi



A lot has been written/spoken and a lot more will continue.

I started playing free rolls with 0$ bank roll

After cashing in some tourneys I started playing 0.01-0.02 cash games



I have personally experienced days when I have won hands I could have lost and win a few $ instead.

And than come days when my best hands get licked, making me lose all my money.

And than I start playing from 0$ again.

Sites are tigged??? --- maybe

No one can be sure and the discussion continues.

 

[Sil3ntness]

I don't think online poker is rigged. There just may be a lot of bots on certain sites. That's probably one of the biggest problems that online poker sites are dealing with.

 

[adriantempo]

Your right, you don't have to invest money.
one can play freerolls and build a bankroll. problem is, "sites" don't like having someone who is fairly good banking stacks. They{ sites }, let those that will redump the winnings back into the site win. Why?, cause they know the money may never leave.

But, someone who is constantly winning and cashing out, will experience "Bankroll Death". they will play, and almost never recoup till they are tapped out. Forcing them to ether rebuild, or (re)deposit. Sites have shareholders, and hate losing money.

Personally, I've lost and won. I still think it's fixed to help certain classes of players.
And I will continue to play. If i'm that decent a player that, they{ sites } have to cooler me, then i guess i just need to get better and more aware, and continue to frustrate the hell out of the "Sites"! :bebored: :bebored: :bebored:

Usually after I win 100$ I take the money out. I have done that multiple times. I know I can do it again from scratch. I usually do it in about a month, more or less.

I never deposit. If I do, it's for a bonus, then I take the money out again.

So, when I play, the money always leaves. People are too greedy to take the money out. I'm realistic. I won't get rich. Just play for fun and extra money and that's all you need. Nobody "needs" to get rich. Getting rich is not a necessity, it's a "spending problem", and that's on others, not on me, I know how to use my money efficiently.

Don't worry about shareholders hating losing money. If I take 100$ from them every month, that is nothing for them. For every 100$ I win maybe there are tens or hundreds of thousands other people lose. So, they still win. Maybe those people who lose, are those who don't do it like me, maybe they are greedy and the "sites" will punish them and take their money back.

And if you are so sure shareholders win lots of money, why don't you become a shareholder ? If that is 100% sure and your poker is not 100% sure then it's obvious shareholder is best to make money. And you just play freerolls so you can still play poker. And any money won can go back into shares to build even more money.

If 100$ is not enough, ok, try making 200$. If you happen to get to a point where the sites takes their money back, that's the point when you need to stop and just withdraw, it's the upper limit.

I know 100$ works, I don't know the upper limit because I have not tested further.

 

[toni_brasco]

Drama

A lot of players make this claim when they suffer a series of bad beats - we get our share of them around here.

Let's have a serious discussion about it. Read this article:

Is online poker safe or rigged?

There is some really good information in that article that explains some of the misconceptions players have.

The thing I see the most is players having a bad day or even a bad week - or they are making a lot of wrong decisions - and they instantly think the game is cheating them.

They will post hands and say "No way should this happen!" - and I know instantly they have never played live poker. I have been playing live poker for about 10 years and I have seen it all happen in a situation where it can not possibly be rigged.

What are your thoughts?

(ps - this is not the place to post your bad beat hands!)

I would like to say that once a week I am playing poker tournament with some friends in a local bar for maybe 10 $ buy in, and it seems to me that when I am playing live poker there is not so much drama involved.
Want to say that seems to me in online poker looks like the program is made to make drama mean if I am all in with pocket kings very often will be like on flop there is a king, and then on river and turn coming J, Q and T for someone`s A.
So I don`t think it is rigged for someones particular interest but maybe just to be more exciting for players, but maybe it just looks like to me.

 

[Nikolay Nakhaev]

A random number generator periodically creates action situations when encountering players with their strong hands, where one suffers a big loss and the other wins.
This is one of those moments when we accused poker of falsification

 

[James_Harrison]

Might I suggest you share your proof. Who is doing the rigging?

Oh come on, ive only been talking about the bots for like 5 years now here and in other places. Its interesting, when i first made a post about it many years ago, partypoker made a huge bot discovery, at the time it was next to unheard of.

Ive been really picking up the bot discussion as of late (and for good reason !) and they just so happened to make another bot discovery recently you can go back and check if youd really like to although i dont see why you should bother.

And just so you know, so dont ask. Yes, i consider this to be rigged, i also consider collusion, which is another different thing altogether to count as our game being rigged and i couldn't care a less who is doing the colluding or botting, its friggen rigged.

Lets say for example someone colludes in an election or messes with the computers/ polling, the election is rigged right ? This is the same thing, only im disrespected when i try to help the community out, called a rigtard on other forums etc.

There are other reasons its rigged too and i have proof (as if the bots and collusion isnt enough) ... (it is enough)..

There are reasons, legal and other why i do not wish to discuss these other reasons in depth, i can tell you a long time ago when i played on stars. Moderators would come to my table, while i was playing in a tournament and actually verbally abuse me. Somewhat similar things have happened on 888.

Now, i do believe there are far more sinister things going on out there, but just like i have no physical proof that the flop turn and river are setup against me if thats what you were waiting to hear If i had this proof, id like to think the rooms wouldn't be operating. I believe it is and i believe there are other much more sinister things going on but we can only go with facts.

Now, lets say party every few years bans 200 bots. You can really think about this one thing, bots. Because we have proof of it. See now how serious it is, these are bots that take millions out of the game ($700,000.00) in one bot sweep alone. So the site tries their best to redistribute this 2/3 of a million dollars but all the stats are skewed in all these games regardless.

Think about these bots some more because by now they are well known, we cant do anything about a juiced turn and river because we have no proof, but bots we can focus on because its proven. Now think wait a second here.. there are other sites out there, if Party gets rid of these 200 bots every few years. How many bots do other sites that have more players have?. By now its just a matter of how many, because we know this to be true.Is it 100x more bots than Party? ok maybe only 10 so 10x $700,000 is wait a minute... a big friggen number.

Now we can see how serious our discussion on bots for the last half decade is.

Its a bit easier because sites like Party put a dollar value on 1 of the bot sweeps they've had, the rest is pure speculation, but rest assured its quite accurate and sickening.

This is before we even talk much about collusion at all, its tougher to deal with and hard to put a dollar value on.

 

[HobokenNJ]

Oh come on, ive only been talking about the bots for like 5 years now here and in other places. Its interesting, when i first made a post about it many years ago, PartyPoker made a huge bot discovery, at the time it was next to unheard of.

Your join date is listed as Nov 2017, which doesn't sound like 5 years ago.

From the tone of your post, it sounds like I should know who you are, and I should be familiar with your previous discussions on this matter. I'm sorry that I'm not.

This is a topic I am curious about. I'm pretty skeptical that any website could get away with wide spread rigging systematically. Something directed from the outside, I could see (bots, collusion, or the like). But rigging sounds too hard to pull off.

When I google "James Harrison poker" I'm not really directed to anything relevant either. Coincidently & ironically, there's mention of a James Harrison indicted in a poker scam: https://www.nj.com/news/2008/10/4_indicted_in_alleged_poker_sc.html I'm assuming no relation.

Anyway, thank you for responding.

 

[James_Harrison]

Your join date is listed as Nov 2017, which doesn't sound like 5 years ago.

From the tone of your post, it sounds like I should know who you are, and I should be familiar with your previous discussions on this matter. I'm sorry that I'm not.

This is a topic I am curious about. I'm pretty skeptical that any website could get away with wide spread rigging systematically. Something directed from the outside, I could see (bots, collusion, or the like). But rigging sounds too hard to pull off.

When I google "James Harrison poker" I'm not really directed to anything relevant either. Coincidently & ironically, there's mention of a James Harrison indicted in a poker scam: https://www.nj.com/news/2008/10/4_indicted_in_alleged_poker_sc.html I'm assuming no relation.

Anyway, thank you for responding.

Not a problem man, sorry for the delay, i just wanted to give you somewhat of a well thought out response.

You shouldnt know much about me, sorry if it sounded like i was well known, i dont think im that well known and i certainly dont always use my real name on the internet.


So im going to guess here you dont think bots and collusion = rigged game ? What about collusion and messing with computers to produce a different outcome in an election is that rigged ?

Take all my other negative thoughts and poker experiences away and i would still think bots and collusion = a rigged game.

The way i see it is we play poker because we have an edge. maybe its 60 40 or 53 47 or whatever and we think of the long term and playing massive amounts of volume.. but when you think of bots and collusion it takes that 53/47 number and tightens it too close. I cant get that much better that quickly.