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They have always paid me out, even back in the day when they sent checks. but now with BC it is within a day... I also LOVE that they us bitcoin cash too... i cannot stand the wait time and insane miner fee's associated with BC. They also will send out $ for as low as $20, and as long as you won it at poker, you don't have to wait for a Rake completion to get paid out. But no rakeback, and i really can't imagine there isn't crazy collusion being anonymous,,, i really try to play as little as possible there, but sometimes, they are the only site with the larger cash games available
 
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there's no reason for them to rig a cash cow... it's the same age old online poker is rigged conspiracy theories.

This doesn't include collusion or potential bots as that's security and unethical play, not Ignition maliciously taking money from their poker players.

In fact - it would benefit them to keep people happy playing poker and ideally winning so they ride the high and switch over to their casino games and/or blackjack, that's where they make their real $$.

Bailed out quickly on them.
 
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Here's the problem

Maybe I'm being naive but I don't think ignition is fixed per se. The problem is that the algorithms hit the 1-2-3 outers with ridiculous disproportion. Probably close to 80% of the time the player with a huge long shot hits. And sometimes it's something absurd like a player going head to head with a pair against a set hits a runner runner straight. And it seem to happen ALL THE TIME with ignition. So, if you're willing to play like a donkey, you'll succeed, but if you're looking for legitimate poker, find another venue.
 
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Unfortunately, I have not encountered such a problem, but if you have had such a sad experience, then find another game that will be safe.
 
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There is are no regulators checking that they are doing what they are supposed to. I would run as fast as your can if you are thinking about putting real money on this site. Sure, if you win, they'll cash you out. But after your first cashout, be prepared for the worst beats of your life. They 100% have house players. Or super players. Either way, shade site, don't bother!
I go play at ignition about once every week to every other week I play $5-$10 3 table sit n go's or $7-$10 triple ups. I usually win $50-$70 after i win i withdraw all but $25 & don't touch the site for another 10-14 days and do it again. It has of course failed in the past but i have been doing this for a while now.
 
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Any online site accepting players from the USA (expect the legal states) cannot be trusted. Common sense - just the fact that they would do business in this grey area is all you really need to know. If they are willing to take that risk, what else might they be willing to risk?
Thank you this is not said out loud enough, players from outside the u.s always want to argue how these unregulated sites are not compromised witch is laughable. In what other unregulated semi-black market business or other institution is there not some or in most cases complete corruption.
 
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I read this same defense to the age old question just as much as you see the conspiracy ones. The same questions remain........"Why would they rig a cash cow?" As though people and companies like these arent in it for the money? Lol. Notice these sites are always in countries without regulation. Getting info from them about the companies is next to impossible.....I wonder why. It has happened before and is currently the reason Online poker for US players is screwed.

The argument that a company or person who operates an online gambling house in a non regulated area of the world to avoid problems would never be greedy enough to cheat has got to be the worst argument ever.

My argument as to why things can be rigged, note the word "can", is because nothing is stopping them from doing it and it has been done before. Ive never met a gambler or a casino say "ok we have enough money now". They regulate themselves. Its like cops investigating another cop lol............but they are always honest right because they got so much to lose.

My mantra is do not play with money you cant afford to have stolen and play only for fun. You have no control over what happens online and they absolutely do have control over it.
Beautifully honest and well articulated thank you for your true opinion. It is so rare for some reason for these obvious points to be so effortlessly laid out. When "regulated" businesses in america banks, law firms, corps. ect... take advantage without concern what makes anyone think unregulated gambling institutions would not do the same if given the chance. In witch they definitively have the chance.
 
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For anyone doubting whether or not ignition interferes with the integrity of the game by manipulating cards and specific games, I'm here to tell you that you are des wrong. Ignition 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt is tampering and if you play there enough, its blatantly obvious. They definitely are not using a true RNG. If they are them they are defying math and the odds thousands of times a day. What ever analytic that they have feeding you cards is HORRIBLE! Like many have pointed out, why did they let their licensing go? Ignition had the licenses when it was acquired from Bovada / Bodog. So why acquire a poker site and its software and then not renew the licensing that, although isnt required?, it gives a lot of credibility and peace of mind for users. So it's not like they had to go get one and start from scratch, rather they for some reason didnt want anyone looking over there shoulders. I dont think ignition is alone in this and I kinda think all the sites do it to one degree or another. Ive heard the question asked how is it then that people win on Ignition if its compromised? First, no one can dictate who makes what calls or what hands you playn so there is definitely a varience. Additionally, like a casino, the house is just trying to turn a small advantage to the side of the house. So if they are just giving themselves a 10% advantage then that wouldnt shake things too much? If at all. One question I've always wondered... poker is HUGE. I'm sure it is more popular black Jack, roulette, baccarat etc. But theres never a live dealer poker offered. I wish it was a available. But to mr the fact that no cardrooms offering and it makes mr feel like if it was live dealer then there couldnt be any funny business with the cards.
what site is using real rng not ignition, not wpn for sure, chico in my opinion is best option but they are still far from random. As of sites outside the unregulated u.s options I can not speak.
 
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I have emailed 2 or 3 times to get help about an issue. They never called me or sent me a message again !!
 
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I have not played on there in months. - have they fixed the break times yet?
When I played their last - the break times are linked to when an event starts - NOT standard - like EVERY other client where the break time is directly linked to the actual time - 55 minutes on the hour.


Years ago, NONE of the breaks on mtt's were synchronized. Many just used Gatorade bottles.
 
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Maybe I'm being naive but I don't think ignition is fixed per se. The problem is that the algorithms hit the 1-2-3 outers with ridiculous disproportion. Probably close to 80% of the time the player with a huge long shot hits. And sometimes it's something absurd like a player going head to head with a pair against a set hits a runner runner straight. And it seem to happen ALL THE TIME with ignition. So, if you're willing to play like a donkey, you'll succeed, but if you're looking for legitimate poker, find another venue.


Stellar first post! So much wisdowm.
 
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Stellar first post! So much wisdowm.


I don't know about ignition so i can't say much other than we are in covid Lockdown in Australia I'm bored and figure joint a site play few games


well basically i join. i enter a tournament and go top and have some insane suckouts to come second in 179 player tournament for the first game is fascinating.

So I then dial up the money and wow! the bad beats on the bubble! for some not insignificant cash , repeated low percent Ridiculousness . I've played 15 years tens of thousands of hands probably... I'm seeing some fascinating stuff at ignition, is it cooked I don't know. I assume so, they want us busted to get the buy in fee

what I can do is give some of you a firsthand account of some of the things behind the scenes in such sites. so I'm up in Singapore and I'm speaking to my buddy in China and he said he will come down and visit. I say how can you get a visa so quick he says that's alright I have one for Malaysia you cross the border I've got a team in JB, I said what do you mean, so he gave me an address I went to an apartment Tower up to a floor floor went into a locked room there were 20 guys on 20 terminals he told me that he is now in computer games gaming Apps in China mostly baccarat but poker and blackjack too. he laughed he said they're making a few million a week this is US dollars not Chinese renminbi AS

. he explained what do those guys do he said they work 24 days a month and then they take a few weeks off that work 13-16 hours a day and they are ON each table making sure that the real players never win by providing cards that will screw them over.

I said I don't get it why you do this he said we make sure the player never wins. I said why do you want to rip them off just take a rake if you had a rake then eventually you will win everything. he said no that's not what we do he said you take it ALL today

I said then they might not come back tomorrow he said they will I said how much money are you doing he said they probably load up with $10 to $50 at a time. I said just take a rake and entry fee per game you win it all within a week he said no he said if we don't win it today then a competitor might get them tomorrow. I said If i have a bad experience then i won't come back tomorrow, he said we want a
it all today

I said that's the most stupid short-sighted business strategy I've ever seen. he said China is everybody is ripping everybody off and you don't care about next week you just want to win today before they beat you.

sorry about the really shity formatting I'm voice typing broken fingaz

the guys work 13 hours a day to 16 hours they get paid around about 50,000 a year which is a shitload of money for China. they get the food delivered and get the girls sent up for night-time entertainment. we give them clothing and cigarettes, accommodation and flights. this was a large 4 bedroom apartment in a 5 star hotel resort complex, 20 young guys there just sitting at screens making sure players don't win by choosing the cards that will appear.

What happens at ignition I don't know. but I saw it and I know for a fact that that is how these websites operate. they can making a few million dollars per WEEK from a lot of players losing a few dollars at a time .

in regards to poker what seems to happen is they can remove 16 cards from a deck for a hand, maybe a 3 4 5 & 6 or a particular suit, which means players are more likely to be on a draw or have hit plus outrageous draws which means more bust outs which means more rebuys the money it made from getting people to bust quickly and rebuy.

Yes I fully understand what happens when you play high volume of hands and variance and random probability but the amount of times in a four handed game you see an example AdQdQ flop and some ones got an AKd another a 10Jd another 3d7d another Q6d type all in bingo. Particularly near that bubble. Fascinating those crazy hands.
 
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I don't know about ignition so i can't say much other than we are in covid Lockdown in Australia I'm bored and figure joint a site play few games


well basically i join. i enter a tournament and go top and have some insane suckouts to come second in 179 player tournament for the first game is fascinating.

So I then dial up the money and wow! the bad beats on the bubble! for some not insignificant cash , repeated low percent Ridiculousness . I've played 15 years tens of thousands of hands probably... I'm seeing some fascinating stuff at ignition, is it cooked I don't know. I assume so, they want us busted to get the buy in fee

what I can do is give some of you a firsthand account of some of the things behind the scenes in such sites. so I'm up in Singapore and I'm speaking to my buddy in China and he said he will come down and visit. I say how can you get a visa so quick he says that's alright I have one for Malaysia you cross the border I've got a team in JB, I said what do you mean, so he gave me an address I went to an apartment Tower up to a floor floor went into a locked room there were 20 guys on 20 terminals he told me that he is now in computer games gaming apps in China mostly baccarat but poker and blackjack too. he laughed he said they're making a few million a week this is US dollars not Chinese renminbi AS

. he explained what do those guys do he said they work 24 days a month and then they take a few weeks off that work 13-16 hours a day and they are ON each table making sure that the real players never win by providing cards that will screw them over.

I said I don't get it why you do this he said we make sure the player never wins. I said why do you want to rip them off just take a rake if you had a rake then eventually you will win everything. he said no that's not what we do he said you take it ALL today

I said then they might not come back tomorrow he said they will I said how much money are you doing he said they probably load up with $10 to $50 at a time. I said just take a rake and entry fee per game you win it all within a week he said no he said if we don't win it today then a competitor might get them tomorrow. I said If i have a bad experience then i won't come back tomorrow, he said we want a
it all today

I said that's the most stupid short-sighted business strategy I've ever seen. he said China is everybody is ripping everybody off and you don't care about next week you just want to win today before they beat you.

sorry about the really shity formatting I'm voice typing broken fingaz

the guys work 13 hours a day to 16 hours they get paid around about 50,000 a year which is a shitload of money for China. they get the food delivered and get the girls sent up for night-time entertainment. we give them clothing and cigarettes, accommodation and flights. this was a large 4 bedroom apartment in a 5 star hotel resort complex, 20 young guys there just sitting at screens making sure players don't win by choosing the cards that will appear.

What happens at ignition I don't know. but I saw it and I know for a fact that that is how these websites operate. they can making a few million dollars per WEEK from a lot of players losing a few dollars at a time .

in regards to poker what seems to happen is they can remove 16 cards from a deck for a hand, maybe a 3 4 5 & 6 or a particular suit, which means players are more likely to be on a draw or have hit plus outrageous draws which means more bust outs which means more rebuys the money it made from getting people to bust quickly and rebuy.

Yes I fully understand what happens when you play high volume of hands and variance and random probability but the amount of times in a four handed game you see an example AdQdQ flop and some ones got an AKd another a 10Jd another 3d7d another Q6d type all in bingo. Particularly near that bubble. Fascinating those crazy hands.


LOL

Honestly this has got to be the BEST First Post EVER!!!
And, the most ridiculous post ever!

On top of that, you can tell it's written by someone who is pretty much clueless about poker.
 
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tw082;5552760[U said:
]Beautifully honest and well articulated[/U] thank you for your true opinion. It is so rare for some reason for these obvious points to be so effortlessly laid out. When "regulated" businesses in america banks, law firms, corps. ect... take advantage without concern what makes anyone think unregulated gambling institutions would not do the same if given the chance. In witch they definitively have the chance.


Except that it is inaccurate.
BBB states 'especially when it's been done before'... but the thing is, it's never been proven to be done before. (the AbsolutePoker /UB scandal was not a rigged RNG).
 
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what site is using real rng not ignition, not wpn for sure, chico in my opinion is best option but they are still far from random. As of sites outside the unregulated u.s options I can not speak.


Can I ask... what are you basing this ^ on?
 
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Can I ask... what are you basing this ^ on?
1 Personal experience crossed with a pretty good understanding how math works.(common since)
2.Thousands of recorded hands I have meticulously studied and singled out hands I was 80% or close to that and was also able to see river with at least 2 other players. The win rate is way off. Imagine if I could see all the low folded suckout hands.
3. Seriously do you play at these sites at a high rate if so have you played live a considerable amount? If the answer to both are yes and you don't notice a a considerably larger amount of action and late suckouts with hands most would consider as coolers. Even higher late close to bubble. Not to mention there frequently being a player so "hot" they call with any and everything and win hand after hand against extremely higher percentage hands.
I have more but none as definitive as these if all these being the normal not the irregular isn't enough then maybe it's just my lack of faith.
 
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Except that it is inaccurate.
BBB states 'especially when it's been done before'... but the thing is, it's never been proven to be done before. (the AbsolutePoker /UB scandal was not a rigged RNG).
Wait what is inaccurate? All I said was corporate america is corrupt. What makes anyone think unregulated gambling institutions wouldn't be also. Meaning the ones we have now Wpn and chico. Because others available in other countries are regulated as well as anything that falls under BBB jurisdiction would also be considered regulated.
 
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something similar had happen to me on carbon poker many years (15), my advice ...leave
 
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LOL

Honestly this has got to be the BEST First Post EVER!!!
And, the most ridiculous post ever!

On top of that, you can tell it's written by someone who is pretty much clueless about poker.


Well, say what you want but do you know people making millions EACH week from gaming sites? Can I ask have you physically been inside a set up with anyone (never mind 20 people) managing the programs and tabled to make sure the players lose their money?

Can I also ask, what makes you say I am clueless about poker?

I am more than happy to talk to anyone off line to demonstrate my bona fines. Do you want screen shot of evidence of 2 x top 15 finishes in 10000 player tournaments? Proof of a tournament win in Vegas perhaps? Alas I am immaterial. Let's go back to play the ball not the man. Specifically, what did I say that is ridiculous. What did I say that shows I am clueless about poker?
 
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1 Personal experience crossed with a pretty good understanding how math works.(common since)
2.Thousands of recorded hands I have meticulously studied and singled out hands I was 80% or close to that and was also able to see river with at least 2 other players. The win rate is way off. Imagine if I could see all the low folded suckout hands.
3. Seriously do you play at these sites at a high rate if so have you played live a considerable amount? If the answer to both are yes and you don't notice a a considerably larger amount of action and late suckouts with hands most would consider as coolers. Even higher late close to bubble. Not to mention there frequently being a player so "hot" they call with any and everything and win hand after hand against extremely higher percentage hands.
I have more but none as definitive as these if all these being the normal not the irregular isn't enough then maybe it's just my lack of faith.


I've played live poker for 50yrs. & I've played over 4million hands online & ~30,000 tourneys.

I don't see anything unusual at all. I don't see anything unusual in my database of hands played either. Years ago I knew of studies that had been done & everything fell within statistical expectations over a decent sample size (some of these studies were made public). Also, there used to be a site called PokerTableRatings. It kept records of every single cashgame hand that was played online. Too bad it doesn't exist these days... but it gave some players an unfair advantage as it also offered to sell HH's.
 
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Well, say what you want but do you know people making millions EACH week from gaming sites? Can I ask have you physically been inside a set up with anyone (never mind 20 people) managing the programs and tabled to make sure the players lose their money?

Can I also ask, what makes you say I am clueless about poker?

I am more than happy to talk to anyone off line to demonstrate my bona fines. Do you want screen shot of evidence of 2 x top 15 finishes in 10000 player tournaments? Proof of a tournament win in Vegas perhaps? Alas I am immaterial. Let's go back to play the ball not the man. Specifically, what did I say that is ridiculous. What did I say that shows I am clueless about poker?


well for starters... YOUR ENTIRE STORY REEKS OF IT!
Just from what you're suggesting..... it is not how it works. You might've read about, heard about collusion rings (maybe you read about it.. idk). Where there's 20 guys seated in a room... but they're not changing out the cards that are falling.

You've played for 15years. and you claim 'tens of thousands' of hands played!!! As if that were a milestone of sorts. I can play tens of thousands of hands in ONE WEEK.

Your story is just so ridiculous & so far-fetched. It did give me a chuckle or two though. Thank-you for that.
 
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