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  • #251
cAPSLOCK said:
No offense to you bro. Just for some reason checkboxes tilt me. Now that you know that you can start typing them into the chat window if we ever play. :)
[x] Inducing tilt.
 
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  • #252
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u were def sittin at my table a couple days ago..i saw the name ninelions and i went to say hi..but by the time i had it typed i was at a new table lol

Yup, I saw you too, and WV another session. No time for chatting at these though. :)
 
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I'm not going to claim to be some kind of poker expert because I've only been playing for cash for 4 1/2 months and have been treading water ever since. That is until rush poker came along.

After an initial deposit of $100 and playing 2NL and $1.20 SnGs, with the help of $30 matching bonus money and $25 for multi-tabling back in Sept, my balance was at $113 about three weeks ago. Not great, but I never blew out my bankroll and I was getting better. Especially in the last month or so.

But I was getting bored. Playing one table is stupefyingly boring and multi-tabling is just, well, weird. I don't multi-task well, but I concentrate on one thing extremely well. It's just the way I'm wired.

So because of boredom and just to try it, I moved up in stakes and tried 10NL and $5 SnGs. In a couple of weeks I was down to $66. It didn't bother me too much because being a professional poker player is not something I've got my heart set on. Now I don't like failure any more than anyone else. I had worked hard on my game. But at some point you have to ask yourself, Is this fun and am I spending my time well? Maybe I should be playing more with my kids, reading a book or talking to my wife.
So I was resigned to whatever happened. online poker was just not that fun.

Then Rush Poker happened. In three days my bankroll is over $135. All I'm doing is playing tight and looking for opportunities. If I don't have at least top pair, or two overcards with a min-call, I'm out of there.

Why are my results so much better? Mainly I think it's just fits me better. Rush poker basically compresses time, rather than you trying to artificially compress it by multi-tabling. I know some players multi-table rush, and more power to them if they can do it. But to me that's like tying a team of horses to an automobile. Overkill. My strength is focusing on one thing, and rush lets me do that.

There are other advantages to rush:
  • No folder's remorse. You never see that you would have gotten trips or two pair, etc, so the "Arrrgh" factor is greatly minimized. This greatly reduces the wear and tear on your psyche, especially when little is going right for you.
  • No saving face. When you do something stupid you don't have to wear it around your neck like a scarlett letter. This reduces the chance of trying to get back at someone.
  • No table image. Outside of stack size there is little else you know about the players. If you can keep track of 700 players in a rush pool my hat's off to you. (It's easy to think that all the players are still at the table through the end, but they're not. If it's heads up, its just you and him. No one is there learning and observing your moves.
  • No time for jerks to hurl insults and rant in the chat box. Aah, sweet silence. That alone is worth the price of rush.
  • Because of the above psychological advantages and others, you can be more objective about play.
So does that mean it's all about the cards? Well, it's more about the cards, but there is still bluffing and semi-bluffing in rush. The play of the hands themselves is not that much different. Just most of the psychological baggage is gone.

Anyway, that's my story for now. Enjoy.
 
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  • #254
I am surprised.

I have decided to lay off Rush poker until:

1. I get rakeback.
2. I am rolled for it there - which will require moving my stars roll over, therefore see #1. Or when they put out 02 and 05 rush poker (not sure I would like this though)


I don't know if it's really swingy for everyone, but my BR went up and down like an elevator. ;) I decided to get off on the last upswing. I started with <10 buyins though. So I think normal swings in higher volume than I am used to are just too dangerous for my now only 10 buyins.

But this is the surprise part.

In some ways I think RP was made for me. I like to single (or 2) table. I am a recreational player. Yeah I know that means "fish" in fancytalk. ;) But this game gives me a way to play poker at a much higher volume, but not end up with the dizzy carpal tunnel feeling I get when I open 4 tables or more.

Still, I went back to stars and played a little regular old 100 hands per hour 10nl.

I forgot how much I enjoy table dynamics. This is another reason beyond skill that I prefer 1 or 2 tabling. I just like being intimate with my opponents. I like knowing that I can take a pot from a bad shortstack on my right with a tiny bet when this would be a glaring no-no for me on a multitable setup.

If I want the anonymity that a new table brings then.. poof I can go get a new table.

So I will definitely play RP (IF!!! IF! FTP ARE YOU READING THIS? I WANT THE DAMN RAKEBACK). It is blisteringly fun IMO. And it's prolly good for playing on my nettop when I am doing the elliptical trainer.

But it didn't take over my love for the regular old slow fun game I already enjoy.

GG Fulltilt. I hope to play some more later!
 
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  • #255
marginal said:
[x] Inducing tilt.

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  • #256
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There are other advantages to rush:
  • No folder's remorse. You never see that you would have gotten trips or two pair, etc, so the "Arrrgh" factor is greatly minimized. This greatly reduces the wear and tear on your psyche, especially when little is going right for you.
Anyway, that's my story for now. Enjoy.

How can anyone have folder's remorse on a site that uses a constant shuffle ... :confused:
 
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  • #257
nevadanick said:
How can anyone have folder's remorse on a site that uses a constant shuffle ... :confused:

I have an argument even more compelling than that IMO.

A decision in poker at a certain point is either right or wrong AT THAT POINT. Sometimes it is difficult to determine this exactly... but often it is clearly right or wrong or fold, raise, or call.

I don't care if the deck is being "shuffled" during the hand, or the next card is set in stone. If it was right to fold, hitting your 3 outer does NOT mean you made a mistake. In fact if you call my 70% pot bet and hit a 3 outer, I am most likely making a note.

If I am playing live poker and someone likes to always "run the rabbit" then I have a SOLID read. Like many things in poker, I used to vocally mock and discourage rabbit hunting. Now I play along. "Wow.. look at what would have come on the river!! DAAAAAAANG!!!" :)

All that aside... it does feel crappy when you fold your middle pocket pair to the guy with AK on the AKx flop and then see your hand make trips on the river.

It's almost as tilting as checkboxes. (but not really)
 
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  • #260
cAPSLOCK said:
I have an argument even more compelling than that IMO.

A decision in poker at a certain point is either right or wrong AT THAT POINT. Sometimes it is difficult to determine this exactly... but often it is clearly right or wrong or fold, raise, or call.

<snipped>

That was the point. Folders remorse can only occur if the player 'believes' the cards that hit the board were in reality what would have happened to his/the hand.

There is no doubt that decisions in poker need to be based on knowledge and skill, not on what 'might have been'. My comment was on 'folder's remorse' and it being a very illogical basis for future 'decisions' since the board would have been different than if you called, raised, etc, instead of folding.

Folder's remorse is an emotional condition caused by a situation that would never have existed in a constant shuffle deck. The other point being ... how little some people know about online poker.
 
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  • #261
There's a cardrunners video out on this already. Basically says take tons of notes(open notebox as soon as the hand sees a flop). And 3bet lighter and 4 bet bluff deeper stacks.
 
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  • #262
Today, I like Rush Poker.:D

(Subliminal message here meaning today I made money;))
 
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  • #263
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Today, I like Rush Poker.:D

(Subliminal message here meaning today I made money;))

i like rush poker yesterday..was up like 8 buy ins..today im negative 9 buy ins..FML..i sat with you and kenzie a couple times today though
 
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  • #264
played for just over an hour - bought in for $4 and left with $30. Conclusion:..............I LOVE RUSH POKER
 
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  • #265
nevadanick said:
Folders remorse can only occur if the player 'believes' the cards that hit the board were in reality what would have happened to his/the hand.

Folder's remorse is a practical reality in non rush game, all the shuffling theory aside.

Besides, I've never heard any proof that Full Tilt reshuffles the deck after every betting round. I'm sure they would never admit it if it were true, so why would you believe it? For that matter, why would they do it?
 
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  • #266
https://www.cardschat.com/forum/general-poker-13/howard-lederer-full-tilts-rng-95460/

Relevent bit:
>Howard Lederer: the remaining cards are shuffled
> during the action
> Caitlin215 (Observer): wait the deck that s in play
> is shuffled during the action
> Howard Lederer: there is no way to know what is
> coming because trhe cardes are not set
> Howard Lederer: right cait
> Caitlin215 (Observer): now is that fair to shuffle the
> deck once its in play?
> Howard Lederer: since the deck is not set, you
> can't cheat
> Caitlin215 (Observer): ok thta makes sense
> Howard Lederer: we areonly suffling the cards that
> remain
It is a fairly widely known fact that FTP does it this way.

Most poker sites do with Stars being the notable exception.

Still. "Folder's remorse" is an emotional illusion. One which must be conquered as best as one can for the sake of one's game. I'm not saying that is easy... I hate to see my flush fill up on the river when I folded. But if pot odds are worse than my best estimation of implied odds... well I did the right thing.
 
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  • #267
GCB said:
Folder's remorse is a practical reality in non rush game, all the shuffling theory aside.

Besides, I've never heard any proof that Full Tilt reshuffles the deck after every betting round. I'm sure they would never admit it if it were true, so why would you believe it? For that matter, why would they do it?

Thanks for saving that part of the post, cAPS. There are also several other times when 'constant shuffle' has been confirmed, and defended on FT and other sites.

Stars clearly states that their deck is 52 card preset before the first card is dealt. Only diff between Stars and live hands are the lack of burn cards in online play.
http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/features/security/

A constant shuffle means that the instant the hole cards are dealt, the remaining cards go into a state of constant shuffle until the software calls for the board cards. This really has no bearing on non-Rush or Rush hands, just online poker in general. Folder's remorse is in the mind of the player and has no relation to reality.
 
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I've been playing Rush off and on since it came out. Doing OK. Yeah, have had some really painful beats for my stack. But my stack is seldom much more than the buyin (I'm playing 10NL 6-handed) because once I've doubled, I pop out and go back in with $8-10. (Um, that's what I am doing now, after a nasty beat with a bigger stack.) So, yeah, I've lost my stack when a bad thing happened on the river to my turned or flopped nuts. But much more often my hands have held up for a double-up, or, at least, the pot. And even at that level, pots add up. So do the FTPs.

This is poker at its basic, IMO. Play the good hands, with a preflop raise. Use Ferguson rules for what is a good hand in what position. Dump the bad hands and zip along. Do not bother chasing. Do not bother playing mediocre hands. Do play the occasional Broadway or suited connector from late position. Do set mining. Raise an unbet pot on the button or cutoff. Fold if it seems you are beat. The simple stuff works here. It's a play-your-cards game. Not super deep. You have no image, nobody sees the hand except one other guy, so it doesn't matter if you rule or screw up. (Well, it might -- see below.) Next hand NOW!

Practice BRM and tilt management. Cannot afford to tilt at all going at this rate. If a hand freaks you out, stop right then. The game will be there when you cool down.:eating:

And for those who think you don't run into the same players, you do. Some of the games are not that big, and with 200 hands an hour and 300 people you will see the same folks over and over, but from different positions. So if you see something about a player, make a note when you can. You can go back in the hand history and see what happened, if you want. And you are very likely to see that person again. Take off-screen notes until you run into him again and then tag him. This is far less easy, and less crucial than normally, but can come in handy.

It's fun, it's addictive, it can be profitable. Go Rush!
 
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  • #269
Earlier i said 'I LOVE RUSH POKER.' Just played another session for about 3 hours. Bought in for $5 and left with $70. Conclusion:..........I FKKIN LOVE RUSH POKER (for now at least.......)
 
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  • #270
Lots of players sitting with 40 & 50bb stacks??
Also noticing alot of new players are on the rush tables.
Have seen some guys sticking around & limp-opening in HJ & CO with bunk like Q8, J3s, etc. Why would anyone not snapfold those hands is beyond me, lol. Had a guy call down with K6o in SB even??

Noticing alot of players are 3-betting really light on BB alot. This just makes very little sense to me... I mean if I'm sticking around to play a hand, ie. raising from MP, it's not going to be with junk... I'm not stealing from btn with junk either (sometimes I'll stick around in LP with SC's & for sure with any pp) but it's just so easy to fold pre and look up another hand. I can't see it being too profitable to be 3betting light on BB on these tables..who knows???

I've been having a bit of fun on the rush tables.. ie. On AA in blinds.. if there's a raise & call.. or raise & 3-bet, instead of 3betting or 4betting, I decided to just shove 100bb+ allin preflop. It's pretty funny as I'm not sure what villain is thinking of the shove... prob > "he's not shoving AA KK here like that... that's be stupid.... maybe he's got AK AQ.... 99?" I've been looked up by crazy stuff (55, AJo, AQ, QQ, JJ, etc.). Would be fun to see the look on their faces when they see my AA hee hee hee.
Of course I don't do this all the time... but did have some fun with it a couple sessions (although I did lose 120bb's with AA vs ATo & 44.. lol).

As far as people saying they don't take notes..... not sure why not.. once you've double-clicked on player, you can easily pull the small note window aside and jot stuff down. I found myself taking notes every hand I played while 2-tabling.
 
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  • #271
nevadanick said:
Folder's remorse does no good at all on Full Tilt. They use a constant shuffle after the player cards are dealt from the original deck. If the board had been KKx.. it would NOT have been KKx had you made a bet or stayed in the hand.

These are not set decks or live poker. Only Pokerstars (afaik) has a 52-card pre-set deck before the first card is dealt.

Why are you talking about folder's remorse & the constant shuffle here in reference to my comment? This isn't what I'm implying by my comment.
My interest in clicking 'sit out' and to watch the hand play out is to observe what villain's range is..... I take interest in knowing what my opponent is or isn't capable of doing in a hand (a quick note can be very valuable). If I 'sit out' and see the hands showdown, & then see what villain is actually 5-bet shoving with...&/or calling a 5bet shove on 200bb deep stacks..... this is of interest to me.
 
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  • #272
nevadanick said:
... and in a game like Rush, our hero could also have faced that marvelous trip 2's sukout that micro players are very tuned into. Maybe it saved him from the norm of 'losing' his stack ??

Just saying............

So you don't size your bets for both value & to have villain making calls that they're not getting odds to do so?? Pot control is one thing in certain situations but do you really think that passive play is the way to go?
 
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  • #273
Good lord. I played the hand, and other than a physical error on the flop bet size I still think I got fine value out of TPTK against an underpair. I bet much harder and what am I getting called with?

I just don't see anything "passive" about building and winning an 80bb pot with TPTK.
 
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  • #274
adsthepro123 said:
it looks like a good way to play for players who do not like to have breaks. It is good because you play a lot of poker however it is not good for players who like to get a read on the players at the table.
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Yeah but at 5-10 and 10-25, yuo dont really need a specific read all that much IMO. I love it, i cant stand to wait aorund for a regular hand anymore and Immaking more money at it too.
 
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  • #275
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So you don't size your bets for both value & to have villain making calls that they're not getting odds to do so?? Pot control is one thing in certain situations but do you really think that passive play is the way to go?

AsI ended it with ... 'just saying....'

But yes, in a lot of cases passive works for me. I haven't gone bust in the 2 years I realized what online play was about ... and have 4 good BR's without ever having deposited a dime on any site.

What I have seen is player after player moan about their losses and needing to check their leaks. The 'leak' is from their overbet chip stack and BR, imo. BTW - it's also why I still prefer stud and other 'limit' tables.

I don't ever need to risk the farm on a bet. I prefer to keep increasing the farm, one acre at a time.
 
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