Do you ever fold a flush draw when the bet is big?

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I had a suited connector and flopped a pretty decent flush draw. Normally I don't mind calling a bet there, but this time the opponent bet almost the full pot.

The price suddenly made the draw feel a lot less attractive.

Would you still call because you have a strong draw, or do you think there's a point where the bet is simply too big?
 
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Yeah I fold some of them. Close to pot you need to be good about a third of the time. If he's going to bet the turn too, your call only buys one card, and that brings the flush in about one time in five. What can still make it a call is the money you win when it does come in, so I want deep stacks and a guy who pays off. Against someone who'll actually fold, raising it is the other option.
 
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I call only if villain has a big enough stack to make it worth while and I know he's a calling station so I will get paid off when the flush does hit. No good to the flush if villain won't pay you off when you do.

Also agree with amirpc above raising is also an option if I know villain is capable of folding. This wouldn't be a play I'd make against most micro stakes players thou as most micro stakes players over call the flop. And there's no need to bloat the pot without a made hand against a calling station.

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As is often the case we need more details ! How did the pre flop action go ? Are other players who might raise in the pot ? What is your position on the 2 streets to come ? Can you win a huge pot if you hit ? 'suited connector' is a pretty broad description . Folding to a pot sized bet when you have no overcards is probably smart . Even J10s on 269 is only the 4th nut flush so you may not even have a winner if you do catch .
 
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Typically I do not fold a flushdraw on the flop, but there are exceptions. Facing a full pot sized bet we are only just about getting the right odds to draw to 9 outs, assuming we have no added equity from overcards or a gutshot. We also need to think ahead and prepare, that maybe we will face another big bet on the turn, which we will not be able to call. And then we are really only paying to see one more card, which require pretty good implied odds, when we hit.
There is also the risk of getting overflushed. If we have :7h4::6h4: on :ks4::jh4::3h4:, we could be drawing almost dead to a hand like :ah4::kh4:, and this is also something, we need to take into account. Or the board could run out :ks4::jh4::3h4: :2h4::10h4:, and we end up losing to :ah4::kd4:. So with a low flushdraw with nothing else to go with it, often the best decision is to fold to a large flop bet like full pot.
 
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Yes, absolutely! A flush draw is strong, but it doesn't mean you have to chase it at any cost. If the bet is too big and the pot odds aren't good enough, I'm happy to fold. I'd rather save my chips for a better spot than risk my tournament life on a draw.
 
No I didn't. But I won very rarely. Very, very rarely. It was worth it to me.
 
Nesehorn156 said:
I had a suited connector and flopped a pretty decent flush draw. Normally I don't mind calling a bet there, but this time the opponent bet almost the full pot.

The price suddenly made the draw feel a lot less attractive.

Would you still call because you have a strong draw, or do you think there's a point where the bet is simply too big?
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Is the opponent a nit?
How many people are there in the pot?
Is the pot 3bet/4bet or is it a single raised pot.
What is the bet size relative to the pot.
What are the odds we are getting on a call
What is villians range when we call.
How likely are we to get paid off when we hit.
Will villian fold turn/river if they check and we bet
How many big blinds does villian have behind?
Do we have other outs to go along with our flush draw such as cards that will be good if villian has overcards that are not pairs.
Is it the nut flush? How likely is villian to have a smaller flush if we hit/pay us off with a set.
How likely is a turn/river barrel.

This sort of stuff.
 
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I had a suited connector and flopped a pretty decent flush draw. Normally I don't mind calling a bet there, but this time the opponent bet almost the full pot.

The price suddenly made the draw feel a lot less attractive.

Would you still call because you have a strong draw, or do you think there's a point where the bet is simply too big?
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I wouldn't make that decision based only on having a flush draw. I'd look at my position, the opponent's behavior, and the size of the bet before deciding how to continue. To me, this is one of those situations where several variables matter, so the draw alone wouldn't be enough to justify a call.
 
On replay poker in the CC freerolls most players are calling all bets with a flush draw . I say ' I am glad to see them gamble '!
 
Do you ever fold a flush draw when the bet is big?

Of course - if we want to be successful in poker, we need to aim to make the correct decisions in important spots and not 'gamble' often... so, if the bet is too big and we don't have the right odds to make a profitable call - just fold and move on to the next hand 🙂
 
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Eu tinha um conector adequado e fiz um flush draw bem decente. Normalmente não me importo de fazer uma aposta ali, mas desta vez o adversário apostou quase o pote cheio.

O preço de repente fez com que o sorteio parecesse muito menos atraente.

Você ainda ligaria porque tem um empate forte ou acha que há um ponto em que a aposta é simplesmente grande demais?
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Certainly, most of the time in truth, when you discover that the game is mathematical and you have odds for each bet amount, you do the math and decide based on that, both with direct and indirect odds, impled odds, situation and timing of the tournament, there are always some things that must be considered, constant study shows you this.
 
People mix up the math here. Nine outs is about 35% by the river, but it is only 19% on the turn. Facing a pot bet with another barrel coming, you are buying one card, not two. You need 33% and only have 19%. With a bare draw and no pair or overcards, I fold and do not feel bad about it. Deep with a calling station behind, implied odds change the call.
 
On the flop, if it's a pot size bet or an overbet, I'd normally fold.
On the turn I'd fold most of the times.
If the bet were 66-75% there's other factors to consider, as if I have overcards, straight draw and the implied odds.
 
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