MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[houtlijm]

pokerstars hyper turbo headsup up to 7$ buy in. one of the easiest way to build a bankroll fast

 

[loafes]

decided to do the whole new to poker player thing and play some 10NL FR under rolled because hey, I can crush these guys.

3rd hand pick up KK in bb UTG limps MP1 raises it folds to me and I 3 bet. UTG folds and villain 4 bets to around half the starting stacks and I just sigh because you just know he has aces. But I tell myself that The players at 888 are terrible and will stack off with crap so I decide that even though I feel beat I cant really fold KK preflop. He has aces and they hold so I move on. I gradually play well chipping up for a bit over an extra 2 buyins when I get KK again.

MP fish raises I 3 bet from the button and BB whos another fish snap calls and MP snap calls flop is 234 rainbow and BB donks out for quite a large sum MP calls and I call as well, should I raise this spot? anyway turn brings another 4 which is good because it makes a set of 4s less likely and BB snap shoves for a little over pot. MP comes along and I have a decision. I know MP has 99-jj but what could BB have. I figure even though they can have me beat here some of the time I figure overall I crush their range so elect to call sure enough they turn over K6 and 1010 river was a 5 and that was the end of that

Guess that's why you aren't meant to play under rolled. Still I only lost 1 buy in over all, but kinda disappointing to lose a 300 BB pot that way. Now I'm just more eager to move up seeing how they played, but I don't have the correct roll.

 

[micromachine]

So this guy did a massive over bet shove OTR a few hands earlier when a possible flush came on the river, I folded TPTK but strongly suspected he was bluffing, then this happened and based on the previous hand and his weird stats I heroed. Like/hate?

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $17.72 (VPIP: 84.21, PFR: 68.42, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 20)
UTG: $5.00 (VPIP: 18.84, PFR: 16.09, 3Bet Preflop: 3.31, Hands: 1,232)
MP: $6.11 (VPIP: 19.80, PFR: 17.03, 3Bet Preflop: 4.94, Hands: 2,751)
Hero (CO): $15.29
BTN: $4.00 (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 14.71, 3Bet Preflop: 11.32, Hands: 143)
SB: $9.69 (VPIP: 19.28, PFR: 10.84, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 83)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has Q:diamond: T:club:

fold, MP raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, fold, fold, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47, 3 players) 6:diamond: 5:club: T:heart:
BB bets $0.60, fold, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($1.67, 2 players) 7:club:
BB bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80

River: ($5.27, 2 players) 6:heart:
BB bets $15.17 and is all-in, Hero calls $12.74 and is all-in

BB shows J:spade: 2:diamond: (One Pair, Sixes) (Pre 32%, Flop 13%, Turn 7%)
Hero shows Q:diamond: T:club: (Two Pair, Tens and Sixes) (Pre 68%, Flop 87%, Turn 93%)
Hero wins $29.75

 

[redwards92]

^ezgame (like)

 

[micromachine]

Lol and again, learn to bet size guys

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): $16.89
UTG: $7.08 (VPIP: 11.84, PFR: 6.58, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 80)
MP: $3.66 (VPIP: 85.71, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
CO: $6.34 (VPIP: 60.87, PFR: 43.48, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 23)
BTN: $5.60 (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 3)
SB: $1.95 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 9:heart: 9:spade:

fold, MP raises to $0.10, CO calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, fold, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.42, 4 players) 7:club: 3:club: Q:spade:
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, fold, fold

Turn: ($0.92, 2 players) 2:diamond:
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80

River: ($2.52, 2 players) J:club:
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80

BTN shows A:diamond: 8:heart: (High Card, Ace) (Pre 28%, Flop 13%, Turn 7%)
Hero shows 9:heart: 9:spade: (One Pair, Nines) (Pre 72%, Flop 87%, Turn 93%)
Hero wins $3.95

 

[loafes]

Lol and again, learn to bet size guys

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): $16.89
UTG: $7.08 (VPIP: 11.84, PFR: 6.58, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 80)
MP: $3.66 (VPIP: 85.71, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
CO: $6.34 (VPIP: 60.87, PFR: 43.48, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 23)
BTN: $5.60 (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 3)
SB: $1.95 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 9<font color='red'>♥</font> 9<font color='black'>♠</font>

fold, MP raises to $0.10, CO calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, fold, Hero calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.42, 4 players) 7<font color='black'>♣</font> 3<font color='black'>♣</font> Q<font color='black'>♠</font>
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, fold, fold

Turn: ($0.92, 2 players) 2<font color='red'>♦</font>
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80

River: ($2.52, 2 players) J<font color='black'>♣</font>
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80

BTN shows A<font color='red'>♦</font> 8<font color='red'>♥</font> (High Card, Ace) (Pre 28%, Flop 13%, Turn 7%)
Hero shows 9<font color='red'>♥</font> 9<font color='black'>♠</font> (One Pair, Nines) (Pre 72%, Flop 87%, Turn 93%)
Hero wins $3.95

I don't know how to read stats but is calling out of position on all three streets like that standard or was it based on a read?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

QTo, I kind of hate your flat pre, especially since he has half-decent stats. A 3b or fold is almost always going to be better imo. As played pre, postflop seems ok since we have a read he's aggro.

99, fold flop, fold turn, fold river. Yeah he looks fishy, and yeah he's unknown, but you have 3 hands on the guy, so unless you got some sick read in those 3 hands that this was okay, this is pretty spewy in the long run imo. Yes he has the button so flop COULD be air, but it's still into 3 opponents, so more likely to be strong as people tend to play more face up/straightforward in MW pots. Especially with his sizing on the turn. And fwiw, I size approximately the same way he does there if I have like KQ and want thin val OTR.

 

[Logan2]

Always wonder what are the odds for this kind of hands, lol

K7s is shorty so at least i get 1 bi

 

[micromachine]

QTo, I kind of hate your flat pre, especially since he has half-decent stats. A 3b or fold is almost always going to be better imo. As played pre, postflop seems ok since we have a read he's aggro.

99, fold flop, fold turn, fold river. Yeah he looks fishy, and yeah he's unknown, but you have 3 hands on the guy, so unless you got some sick read in those 3 hands that this was okay, this is pretty spewy in the long run imo. Yes he has the button so flop COULD be air, but it's still into 3 opponents, so more likely to be strong as people tend to play more face up/straightforward in MW pots. Especially with his sizing on the turn. And fwiw, I size approximately the same way he does there if I have like KQ and want thin val OTR.

Normally I would 3bet or fold QTo but there was a very high chance BB will call (he's 84/68 so far and needs to call 2bb). QTo is gold when in position 250bb deep vs a mega-fish, I would've called with worse.

As for the 99 I think I'm good to float the flop, not sure why I should be scared of a single over card there. Yeah it's multiway which might make him less likely to cbet but OTOH he either might not realise that cbetting air in multiway pots is less effective, or he might think it's more effective as it shows strength. There are enough reasons for him to cbet to make calling OK I think. As for the turn, maybe that should've been a fold but his sizing seemed a little big for Qx and more like FOLD YOU BASTARD. Then the river bet didn't seem consistent with the turn, it could be thin value (although I doubt half of the unknowns at 5nl even know what thin value is) but it could also be a last ditch attempt to make me fold, which isn't going to work when I have to call 80c to win $4. I've seen a lot of 5nl players make weak river bets with air. You'll probs disagree but there are my reasons for calling him down

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Fair enough, and I'm not playing on the same site as you to begin with so tendencies may be different, but meh.

The point about QTo vs. a fish has some validity, but I'd have to see some numbers to be convinced it's particularly +EV. Like we're not going to flop pairs very often, and they're going to be second pair or worse a ton of the time. We're not suited so we can't flush > flush ever really, and yeah we have gappers, but meh. Just not digging it.

 

[micromachine]

Deleted the Pokerstars App from my phone, it's -EV playing without and HUD and not being able to table select.

Only need 250VPP for the next $50 Stellar, should be easy to get it before end of the year.

Going to do challenge thread soon, options are "$60-->$200 on 888 playing 6nl" or "200 $1.50 hyper HUSNGs, can I beat them?", I think the former will be more interesting as HH's from HUSNGs are pretty tedious I think.

 

[duggs]

What's your roll at? Don't switch games or switch down

 

[Matt Vaughan]

+1 ^

10nl not going well micro? Cause that's either run bad or can be fixed, jus sayin

 

[micromachine]

Not posting any info on my roll again, good or bad, it dooms me. I'm still just about rolled for 10nl but tbh I've had a hard time there, at first I ran really well then ran really bad. It's annoying I don't know why I can't beat it, there are some unbelievably bad fish and I think I'm on par with the other regs but I always seem to fail miserably there, go back to 5nl and crush, then rinse and repeat. It's pretty frustrating and it's got to the point where I think I need to do something different so I thought I would try to take advantage of the fishiness of 888 to try and get from 6nl to 20nl or so on there. The HUSNGs would not be switching games, I would still play cash as my main game I just thought it would be fun to play a couple of hundred of them and see how I do.

 

[micromachine]

Oh and I would leave most of my roll on Stars and still be playing there quite a bit, mixing 5nl deep and 10nl regular, maybe every other session play 888 though. I played a bit there recently and it's sooooo soft

 

[loafes]

I played a bit there recently and it's sooooo soft

Shhh, don't tell anyone, I don't want a bunch of regs flocking over there and taking all the easy monies

 

[DunningKruger]

I can vouch for the cottony softness of 888 (and royale bathroom tissue) but I still won't go near that place. It's all yours.

 

[micromachine]

I can vouch for the cottony softness of 888 (and royale bathroom tissue) but I still won't go near that place. It's all yours.

You don't like the software (understandable) or do you have other reasons for avoiding it?

 

[micromachine]

+1 ^

10nl not going well micro? Cause that's either run bad or can be fixed, jus sayin

When I'm playing my A-game I think I am a better than average 10nl reg but I still have discipline problems, like saying I'm going to stick to 4 tabling then firing up more after losing a few buy-ins or playing for too long when I'm clearly tired or bored and not playing my best. Is that really curable lol.

 

[DunningKruger]

Yeah the software would have a lot to do with it. I just don't think highly of the way they do business. How you get hit with all kinds of fees (and terrible currently exchange figures) if you don't know what you're doing, the way they handle support e-mails, things like that. Defo don't care for that software tho..

 

[Matt Vaughan]

When I'm playing my A-game I think I am a better than average 10nl reg but I still have discipline problems, like saying I'm going to stick to 4 tabling then firing up more after losing a few buy-ins or playing for too long when I'm clearly tired or bored and not playing my best. Is that really curable lol.

Ofc it is? I'm not going to pretend poker is easy, especially the mental game, but there are plenty of people who have conquered or significantly decreased anything resembling mental game issues. Obv not for everyone, since imo mental game stuff is much more on the side of "work" and not exactly enjoyable work at that (for most people).

But in actuality, a few small steps can improve your results a lot imo. I'm pretty rusty now, since I haven't grinded seriously in weeks, but... I was finally starting to get more serious again about using a Jared Tendler technique called "injecting logic," and it was absolutely insane - I could literally witness my progress. I was able to continue playing sessions I knew I would have either rage-tilted in or had to quit before.

Just one example, and a bit vague at that, so my apologies (I haven't slept tonight), but the point is that it's not even close to an insurmountable problem. Just one that takes some discipline and commitment. Like for me and working on injecting logic, by far the hardest thing for me was tilt recognition - actually noticing I was tilting so that I could inject logic at all.

Anyway, if you haven't read the Mental Game of Poker, I seriously recommend it. Even if you don't start using a lot of the techniques (I really haven't done half as much as I wanted), it's a good read imo, and will probably open your eyes to some aspects of your own brain that you haven't thought about before.

Edit: Also, find anything and everything you can from Tommy Angelo imo. Eightfold Path to Poker Enlightment made me rethink so much in poker, and Elements of Poker is solid too. Also stumbled on this lovely gem recently: http://tommyangelo.com/articles/

 

[micromachine]

Let me say my mental game has massively improved as time has gone on. I tilt far less than I used to and suck-outs and beats are literally water off a ducks back these days. I have read Mental Game and I do "inject logic" when I play, like when I get sucked out I tell myself that I should be happy that I played the hand well and that there are idiots like this on the tables. OR when I make a mistake I tell myself it's OK and it's part of the learning process.

But I still have big losing sessions where I should have stopped sooner. They usually involve quite a bit of run bad but towards the end I'm definitely playing my c-game and doing dumb stuff like running big bluffs that don't work or being overly aggro with flush draws etc. Running bad + playing c-game --> lots of buy-ins lost. Like I eventually stop after losing 10 or so buy-ins but feel like I should've stopped after losing 6 because I can't play my A-game after that.

I have table restrictions set to stop me playing outside my roll, ideally I would also be able to set stop loss restrictions and limit the number of tables I could play to a max of 4. Honestly think that would solve a lot of my problems It would be great if I could self impose these restrictions but I don't think I have the will power unfortunately, which is probably whats keeping me at the micros

 

[duggs]

Just make a rule that you have to post here every time you play more than 4 tables

 

[micromachine]

Lol just seen that you can request to have you table number limit reduced by emailing support, I'm going to do it.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Sounds like a good plan, so long as it's temporary ^