MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[redwards92]

flat KK pre

not sure if you're saying to flat the nits 3bet or noticing how i flatted KK on the button

that's why I was so pissed though because I flatted BTN with intention of getting a couple streets of value from CO but then nit 3bets and I couldn't figure out whether or not the dynamic of me limp/4bet the BTN makes it easier for him in his mind to shove AK/QQ etc.. I know 43 hands isn't much but 0/0/0 ... really?!? lol

 

[Matt Vaughan]

3bet vs. the CO open. As played, flat the 3bet from the super nit.

 

[duggs]

why aren't people posting in my thread, get in there you assholes

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Just did, bro. Even ran software for you.

 

[pocketehs]

I'm so disgusted with myself right now....

... i got tilted just thinking about it after i did it and had to quit my session. good news is i am like so close to breaking even for the day after originally being down just over 7BI earlier. (I was being super results oriented didn't want to give up the extra <100 bb lol) I feel like I should have just folded to the 3bet if i was going to fold at all. why 4b almost 1/3 stack and fold, isn't that bad ? man i suck I should have at least 4bet smaller

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 132.4 BB
SB: 94.4 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
BB: 281.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 43)
UTG: 29 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
MP: 138.6 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 9)
CO: 234 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 30)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K<font color='red'>♦</font> K<font color='red'>♥</font>

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, BB raises to 13 BB, fold, Hero raises to 40 BB, BB raises to 256 BB, fold

This is close cause were almost even v QQ/AKo/AKs. I just dont fold cuase of our line

Id rather flat AA then KK here and want to 3bet KK v CO to keep frequencies and value-to-bluff ratios correct. + like 30 hands isnt a strong justification to flat KK here imo

 

[Stretch84]

That's sick but its kinda unusual for villain to wait for value all the way to the river. I call and give him a nh-wp!

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I think I just got called OCD for topping up in a Bovada cash game...

 

[vinylspiros]

This cant ever be anything but a ten right? anyone calling this? villain unknown.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

BB ($2)
UTG ($0.89)
MP ($1.68)
CO ($2.79)
Hero (Button) ($2.13)
SB ($1.91)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q

, Q

UTG calls $0.02, 1 fold, CO calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.11, 1 fold, BB calls $0.09, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.27) 5

, K

, A

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.27) Q

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20

River: ($0.67) J

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.51, BB raises to $1.69 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $1.69 | Rake: $0.08

Results below:

Spoiler

BB didn't show
Outcome: BB won $1.61

EDIT: is my line ok? should i have check/called or check folded river? or is b/f fine?

 

[duggs]

B/f is fine just go a little bit smaller, like 45

 

[pocketehs]

I probably just take SD there tbh.

 

[duggs]

It's 2nl tho, think Ax and 2 pairs call enough. Fact he has exactly 2$ is a bit worrying tho

 

[vinylspiros]

I bet cause there are a ton of worse hands that will call. Only hand i lose from is any ten and that is the only one reraising here. I think by not betting this river,im losing alot of value. Could be flawed thinking though due to the board being ultra wet, but apparently i got owned by villain with the good old checkraise on the river.

 

[shanest]

Yea i like a bet fold there too.

 

[Logan2]

Tough spot Viny, i hate to fold sets but considering villain stack i think fold, if call and he have it, i will say to me "that was a clear fold you stupid dumb", and if don't have it will say weeeeee.

Question: Until what level on cash you guys think is posible to get around $300-$400 a month if avg hands are 50k, until 25-50nl ??​

 

[micromachine]

2bb/100 gives 10 buy-ins in 50k hands
3bb/100 gives 15 buy-ins in 50k hands
4bb/100 gives 20 buy-ins in 50k hands
5bb/100 gives 25 buy-ins in 50k hands

So you could get $500/month if you can beat 50nl at 2bb/100, or if you can beat 25nl at 4bb/100.

 

[micromachine]

I think this works if you want to work out the winrate you would need to achieve a certain profit at a certain level:

win rate needed = ((desired profit / bb amount) * 100) / hands played

where desired profit and bb amount are in $

So for $350 profit at 25nl playing 50k hands: ((350/0.25)*100)/50000 = 2.8bb/100

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I think this works if you want to work out the winrate you would need to achieve a certain profit at a certain level:

win rate needed = ((desired profit / bb amount) * 100) / hands played

where desired profit and bb amount are in $

So for $350 profit at 25nl playing 50k hands: ((350/0.25)*100)/50000 = 2.8bb/100

Formula checks out fwiw. :icon_spid

 

[vinylspiros]

you guys really do know your math. I wonder if i would have been a better player if i knew how to count like that. ( Like, for me ,dividing things without a calculator requires me using my fingers)

 

[DrazaFFT]

So if i eventually manage to win 4bb/100 at 25 nl ill win more playing poker than at my 200+ hours day job...

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Yeah but isn't 4bb/100 pretty much crushing at 25nl these days? (On stars.)

 

[vinylspiros]

Yeah but isn't 4bb/100 pretty much crushing at 25nl these days? (On stars.)

Depends on what sample size we are talking about here. whats your definition of a solid enough size to be able to say for sure? 50k 100k?

 

[Logan2]

you guys really do know your math. I wonder if i would have been a better player if i knew how to count like that. ( Like, for me ,dividing things without a calculator requires me using my fingers)

This exactly

Thanks for that MM.

i get 3bb on 5nl so maybe could get 2bb on 10nl but no way could survive 25-50nl

Which pretty much crush my motivation to play since yesterday (zero hands today)

 

[micromachine]

Yeah but isn't 4bb/100 pretty much crushing at 25nl these days? (On stars.)

Yeah, I mean you have to take the volume into account too. I'm sure 5bb/100+ would be possible for a decent player playing 4 reg tables and selecting like a mofo, but then you aren't going to get your 50k hands in.

Playing 25nl Zoom I would say that 4bb/100 would be crushing

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Depends on what sample size we are talking about here. whats your definition of a solid enough size to be able to say for sure? 50k 100k?

Sample size not really relevant here, since we're talking about true win-rates and average profits over many months. Obviously no one is good enough to have a 4bb/100 win-rate over just 50k hands, every single month.

But fwiw 100k isn't really enough to know your true win-rate.

 

[Logan2]

Agree, 4bb is crushing on 25nl zoom.

I guess the other solution is go rakeback pro but be BE or barely winning is swingy as hell.

So what, i need to look on to mtts/sng's and take MM approach?
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