MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[pocketehs]

what would a 'concept of the week' be?...sounds quite interesting, im up for it.....

Could be anything really. I think having like 2-5NL players do more basic concepts like 'boards to c-bet, basic math concepts (SPR, implied odds), playing draws" and like more advanced micro players could discuss "reacting to 3-bets, extracting the most value" etc.

Could help encourage us to actually go and learn a topic we may have not considered implementing/researching and then using specific examples in the concept thread. Just a thought. Anyone in?

 

[duggs]

Ask yourself, why are you betting the river.

for value, i think its ok to bet for value there tbh

 

[Yoshimiii]

Could be anything really. I think having like 2-5NL players do more basic concepts like 'boards to c-bet, basic math concepts (SPR, implied odds), playing draws" and like more advanced micro players could discuss "reacting to 3-bets, extracting the most value" etc.

Could help encourage us to actually go and learn a topic we may have not considered implementing/researching and then using specific examples in the concept thread. Just a thought. Anyone in?

Yes.

 

[honeycrush]

Could be anything really. I think having like 2-5NL players do more basic concepts like 'boards to c-bet, basic math concepts (SPR, implied odds), playing draws" and like more advanced micro players could discuss "reacting to 3-bets, extracting the most value" etc.

Could help encourage us to actually go and learn a topic we may have not considered implementing/researching and then using specific examples in the concept thread. Just a thought. Anyone in?

Yes.

+1

 

[Yoshimiii]

I have my own opinion of what to do on the river. Anyone think I should of played it differently.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

SB ($10.88)
Hero (BB) ($10)
UTG ($7.42)
MP ($4)
CO ($10)
Button ($8.84)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6

, 4

3 folds, Button calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.25) 3

, 9

, 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($0.25) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.15, Button calls $0.15

River: ($0.55) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, Button raises to $1.60, Hero raises to $9.75 (All-In), Button calls $6.99 (All-In)

Total pot: $17.73 | Rake: $0.80

Results below:

Spoiler

Button had 5

, 5

(full house, fives over nines).
Hero had 6

, 4

(straight, six high).
Outcome: Button won $16.93

What do we do in these situations, where stack size is short relative to the stack. If we cbet $1 and villain shoves we have to call I think as we are getting 1:4, ~25% to make the call. Whereas if we bet $1 and the villain calls and checks the turn again we can see a free card and save $1 if we miss. However the downside of this is if the villain calls the flop then shoves the turn we have to fold as we are not getting the right odds with 1 card to come. So I am in a dilemma here about which is best play. Also we get maximum Fold equity % when we shove rather than cbet half pot imo.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

BB ($5.33)
UTG ($2.88)
MP ($10)
CO ($10)
Hero (Button) ($10)
SB ($15.09)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, K

UTG bets $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.90, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.95) 9

, 3

, 4

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2, UTG calls $1.98 (All-In)

Turn: ($5.91) J

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($5.91) 5

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $5.91 | Rake: $0.27

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero had A

, K

(high card, Ace).
UTG had 9

, 7

(one pair, nines).
Outcome: UTG won $5.64

 

[The Messiah]

First hand is an easy flat and maybe close to a fold, but because he's Likely bad there's nothing wrong with the flat, you might as well be bluffing when you 3 bet jam the river as your only ever getting called by better.

In the 2nd hand, just 3 bet jam..


Btw, as I've previously said I have recorded a bunch of vids playing 5nl-25nl but am having f-all luck when it comes to uploading them, have tried linking them via YouTube etc but nothing's working, used camtasia 2 to do the vids, so if anyone's in the known and can help, then shoot me a pm, kinda sick as the vids covered a lot of interesting spots...

 

[honeycrush]

I'm only a newbie but here are my thoughts:

Hand 1

I would bet my draw on the flop. You have a gutshot straight/straight flush/baby flush draw. I would probably bet 70%.

Seeing the paired card on the turn I would check/call a small bet or check/fold to a big bet.

70% bet on river but would either call or fold to river raise depending on villains stats.

Hand 2

I wouldn't have bet so big on the flop. Surely the only hands that will call here are hands that have you beat? I would have made a cbet of around 60% here and folded to a raise.

As I said, I don't have much experience of HA so may be totally of the mark!

 

[honeycrush]

First hand is an easy flat and maybe close to a fold, but because he's Likely bad there's nothing wrong with the flat, you might as well be bluffing when you 3 bet jam the river as your only ever getting called by better.

In the 2nd hand, just 3 bet jam..


Btw, as I've previously said I have recorded a bunch of vids playing 5nl-25nl but am having f-all luck when it comes to uploading them, have tried linking them via YouTube etc but nothing's working, used camtasia 2 to do the vids, so if anyone's in the known and can help, then shoot me a pm, kinda sick as the vids covered a lot of interesting spots...

Can't help with the Camtasia but hope you get this sorted as would love to see the vid.

 

[The Messiah]

Nah honeycrush, everything you've said is ok bar bet/folding the AK..priced into the call, hence why 3 bet jamming pre is 10xbetter.
We can't make a standard 3 bet against a stack size like this. So either flat/jam pre.

 

[honeycrush]

Nah honeycrush, everything you've said is ok bar bet/folding the AK..priced into the call, hence why 3 bet jamming pre is 10xbetter.
We can't make a standard 3 bet against a stack size like this. So either flat/jam pre.

Thanks for the feedback Messiah.

Can I just check - how would we play the hand if villain was deepstacked?

 

[The Messiah]

Thanks for the feedback Messiah.

Can I just check - how would we play the hand if villain was deepstacked?

Deepstacked or 100bigs, assuming you mean 100bigs?!

Would be very much villain dependant, since we got no stats I can't say, but stats like high/low fold/3bet, agg, barrel frq, fold to c bet and the like would be the difference of me checking flop and bet/call if I bink the turn or turning my hand into a bluff and barreling 3 streets, not the best board for it but defo not the worst either..

 

[honeycrush]

Deepstacked or 100bigs, assuming you mean 100bigs?!

Would be very much villain dependant, since we got no stats I can't say, but stats like high/low fold/3bet, agg, barrel frq, fold to c bet and the like would be the difference of me checking flop and bet/call if I bink the turn or turning my hand into a bluff and barreling 3 streets, not the best board for it but defo not the worst either..

Thanks. Yes, I meant 100BB and without stats.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Thanks. Yes, I meant 100BB and without stats.

Standard would be to 3bet 3x his raise.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Once the Pf raiser calls this big raise and with the board so horrible is it time to give up or should we always be c-betting 3bet pots?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (BB) ($10.32)
UTG ($6.14)
MP ($13.98)
Button ($10.24)
SB ($12.11)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

, J

1 fold, MP bets $0.30, Button calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.50, MP calls $1.20, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.60) K

, 10

, A

(2 players)
Hero bets $1, MP calls $1

Turn: ($5.60) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.20, Hero folds

Total pot: $5.60 | Rake: $0.25

 

[The Messiah]

Thanks. Yes, I meant 100BB and without stats.

Without stats, prob end of betting flop/turn and any good river that includes a q/spade. But checking back is just as good and continuing when we bink on latter streets/shutting down when we don't.

Edit: as regards pre, flatting/3 betting an unknown utg open is standard either way, prefer flatting as we hate life when we get 4 bet and don't know we're we stand.

 

[The Messiah]

Once the Pf raiser calls this big raise and with the board so horrible is it time to give up or should we always be c-betting 3bet pots?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (BB) ($10.32)
UTG ($6.14)
MP ($13.98)
Button ($10.24)
SB ($12.11)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

, J

1 fold, MP bets $0.30, Button calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.50, MP calls $1.20, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.60) K

, 10

, A

(2 players)
Hero bets $1, MP calls $1

Turn: ($5.60) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $1.20, Hero folds

Total pot: $5.60 | Rake: $0.25

Betting less than 1/3 pot accomplishes nothing as he doesn't fold better.
Just give up in a situation like this.

 

[JOEBOB69]

Btw, as I've previously said I have recorded a bunch of vids playing 5nl-25nl but am having f-all luck when it comes to uploading them, have tried linking them via YouTube etc but nothing's working, used camtasia 2 to do the vids, so if anyone's in the known and can help, then shoot me a pm, kinda sick as the vids covered a lot of interesting spots...

PM cafeman.. or Jurn.
If you don't get approved by YOUTUBE for a longer timelimit,the max for a video is less than 30min, i think maybe 15min. But you can edit them some how and make part 1 part 2 etc.

 

[JOEBOB69]

Betting less than 1/3 pot accomplishes nothing as he doesn't fold better.
Just give up in a situation like this.

cbetting that board period with 3rd pair isn't that good.

 

[micromachine]

Won £42 in a home game 10nl cash with some friends yesterday final pot i won was £52 and I had flopped a straight with 67o haha

 

[pocketehs]

^^^ Congrats MM. thats so sick that you have buddies who are down to play cash. All of my buddies only want to play $5 SNGs


Help here pls. Not too sure what to do because villain donks a pretty bad board and we have no reads on the villain.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

UTG+1 ($1.40)
Villain (MP1) ($2.36)
MP2 ($1.40)
MP3 ($2.79)
Hero (CO) ($2)
Button ($2)
SB ($6.17)
BB ($4.37)
UTG ($1.61)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A

, A

2 folds, Villain bets $0.06, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.18, 2 folds, BB calls $0.16, Villain calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.55) 9

, 8

, 7

(3 players)
BB checks, Villain bets $0.34, Hero ???


And this one...

Villain: 15/12/3.5 over 625 hands and 4% 3bet

Pretty sure this is aces or kings as I dont think he 4-bets with AK. I think turn is a fold because if we call we have to call his river jam.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Villain (MP2) ($5)
CO ($3.93)
Hero (Button) ($2.88)
SB ($3.16)
BB ($4.15)
UTG ($0.81)
MP1 ($1.05)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q

, Q

2 folds, Villain bets $0.08, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.24, 2 folds, Villain raises to $0.58, Hero calls $0.34

Flop: ($1.19) 9

, 5

, 9

(2 players)
Villain bets $0.68, Hero calls $0.68

Turn: ($2.55) 8

(2 players)
Villain bets $1.84, Hero ?

Total pot: $2.55 | Rake: $0.09

 

[dsvw56]

Hand 1, shove. Tons of pair+draw stuff will call.

Hand 2, why are you flatting a 4-bet? Shove or fold PF. If you think he's only 4-betting AA/KK why did you call?

 

[Yoshimiii]

Second hand Villain's 3 bet % is really low, therefore only A/A, K/K is gonna 4 bet you realistically. Fold pre.

 

[dsvw56]

Since a lot of you seem to be struggling with the whole 3/4betting game, here's my custom 3/4bet pop-up for HM2. Kinda retarded there isn't one included with it, and the default pop-up used for 3-bet is just not good enough. If you need help setting it up, just let me know.

 

[pocketehs]

Is anyone solid at running PT3 reports / filter and willing to help me set up a filter / report for all the hands Ive had where Ive been heads-up and been check-raised on the turn or river? Thanks

 

[Yoshimiii]

Best misclick shove ever against a fish lol!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($8.16)
SB ($2.76)
BB ($11.23)
UTG ($14.74)
Hero (MP) ($10.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9

, A

UTG calls $0.10, Hero bets $0.40, 3 folds, UTG raises to $0.70, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.55) 5

, 5

, 3

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Turn: ($2.15) 9

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.10, Hero raises to $9.45 (All-In), UTG calls $9.35

River: ($21.05) 2

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $21.05 | Rake: $0.95

Results:
UTG had 9

, J

(two pair, nines and fives).
Hero had 9

, A

(two pair, nines and fives).
Outcome: Hero won $20.10