MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[pocketehs]

Any adjustments I should make for 10NL?

 

[micromachine]

No I don't think so 5nl and 10nl pretty similar in my experience, it's 16/25nl when it starts to get tougher

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Any adjustments I should make for 10NL?

Don't adjust. Just play your game. Any adjustments that you end up needing will emerge. I think most people moving up over-adjust. Better to adjust slowly than over-adjust and lose because of it. And nothing you're used to doing at 5nl will get you brutalized at 10nl.

 

[Logan2]

2 hands from today. Raise flop on both is ok?



H1- i hate gii with top pair hands when face so much aggresion, reason why shove was A:4 and loose player but small example so i don´t know if correct.

Villain stats: 33/29/4 on 24 hands
Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players

MP1: $2.72
MP2: $1.00
CO: $2.48
BTN: $5.72
Hero (SB): $2.42
BB: $2.57
UTG: $1.92
UTG+1: $2.55

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with A

Q

4 folds, CO raises to $0.06, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.14) 8

6

Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.06, Hero raises to $0.13, CO raises to $0.26, Hero raises to $2.36 all in, CO calls $2.10

Turn: ($4.86) J

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($4.86) J

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler

Final Pot: $4.86
CO shows A

Q

(two pair, Queens and Jacks)
Hero shows A

Q

(two pair, Queens and Jacks)
Hero wins $2.35
CO wins $2.34
(Rake: $0.17)

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H2 - I think missing value here vs a fish, should bet more on turn (around 0.35) and shove river?

Villain stats: 47/17/3 on 30 hands
Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players

MP2: $1.82
CO: $1.60
BTN: $3.36
Hero (SB): $2.02
BB: $1.73
UTG: $1.41
UTG+1: $2.05
MP1: $1.49

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with Q

A

3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.06, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.14) 9

T

Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.06, Hero raises to $0.13, MP2 calls $0.07

Turn: ($0.40) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.29, MP2 calls $0.29

River: ($0.98) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.71, MP2 calls $0.71

Spoiler

Final Pot: $2.40
MP2 mucks T

J

Hero shows Q

A

(a pair of Queens)
Hero wins $2.32
(Rake: $0.08)

​

 

[micromachine]

I would make your flop raise bigger in both cases, like 20c or so, that way would've been easier to build bigger pot in hand 2.

Hand 1 - Kind of seems like shoving will mean that only TPTK+ will call, flatting his 26c raise might be better then let him bet again OTT + OTR.

Hand 2 - 3bet pre for value vs the fish might be nice

 

[Logan2]

I would make your flop raise bigger in both cases, like 20c or so, that way would've been easier to build bigger pot in hand 2.

Hand 1 - Kind of seems like shoving will mean that only TPTK+ will call, flatting his 26c raise might be better then let him bet again OTT + OTR.

Hand 2 - 3bet pre for value vs the fish might be nice

H1 - agree with you, i think was a misstake there.

H2 - i think on that but don´t like to 3b AQo vs a agro fish OOP, vs a passive fish or a tight player or with a hand that hit better yes, but aggro fishes gona call the 3b and then call our cbets making us spew more the 66% times we don´t hit no?

Agree on raise more on flop on both, but this mean that we gona pay a lot more to flat on hand1 after he raise us, still ok?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

You're basically min check-raising in both hands. Why? You're leaving a ton of value on the table when you do that.

In hand 1 as played I'd probably flat the min-3bet as it just looks so nuttish. Not folding, mind you, but doubt he ever does that with worse than QJ, and more likely KQ+, two pair, sets.

Hand 2 seems okay except again with the tiny check-raise. Just go bigger - his range isn't nearly as elastic as you might think, assuming he's a fish.

 

[Yoshimiii]

2 hands from today. Raise flop on both is ok?



H1- i hate gii with top pair hands when face so much aggresion, reason why shove was A:4 and loose player but small example so i don´t know if correct.

Villain stats: 33/29/4 on 24 hands
Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players

MP1: $2.72
MP2: $1.00
CO: $2.48
BTN: $5.72
Hero (SB): $2.42
BB: $2.57
UTG: $1.92
UTG+1: $2.55

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with A

Q

4 folds, CO raises to $0.06, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.14) 8

6

Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.06, Hero raises to $0.13, CO raises to $0.26, Hero raises to $2.36 all in, CO calls $2.10

Turn: ($4.86) J

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($4.86) J

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Spoiler

Final Pot: $4.86
CO shows A

Q

(two pair, Queens and Jacks)
Hero shows A

Q

(two pair, Queens and Jacks)
Hero wins $2.35
CO wins $2.34
(Rake: $0.17)

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H2 - I think missing value here vs a fish, should bet more on turn (around 0.35) and shove river?

Villain stats: 47/17/3 on 30 hands
Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players

MP2: $1.82
CO: $1.60
BTN: $3.36
Hero (SB): $2.02
BB: $1.73
UTG: $1.41
UTG+1: $2.05
MP1: $1.49

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with Q

A

3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.06, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.14) 9

T

Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $0.06, Hero raises to $0.13, MP2 calls $0.07

Turn: ($0.40) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.29, MP2 calls $0.29

River: ($0.98) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.71, MP2 calls $0.71

Spoiler

Final Pot: $2.40
MP2 mucks T

J

Hero shows Q

A

(a pair of Queens)
Hero wins $2.32
(Rake: $0.08)

​

3bet pre-flop both hands, you will have villain crushed most of the time. Post-flop stop min-raising, either call then lead out or call down. Check-Raising one pair is over-playing it imo.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Looking back I think I should of folded on hand 2 on the river and hand 1 seen as he is very passive, I wounder if they would of bet if they didn't catch them cards.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hand sample 90: 30/23/1.6

SB ($10.42)
Hero (BB) ($10.11)
UTG ($10)
Button ($7.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, 10

1 fold, Button bets $0.26, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.57) 4

, A

, Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.97) 10

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, Button raises to $2, Hero calls $1.40

River: ($4.97) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $4.99 (All-In), Hero calls $4.99

Total pot: $14.95 | Rake: $0.67

Results below:

Spoiler

Button had 9

, J

(straight, Queen high).
Hero didn't show A

, 10

(nothing).
Outcome: Button won $14.28

Hand sample 12: 73/9/12.0

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

SB ($10.84)
BB ($14.55)
UTG ($17.44)
MP ($6.86)
Hero (Button) ($10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q

, A

UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.40, 2 folds, UTG raises to $0.70, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.55) 3

, 7

, A

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.70, UTG calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.95) 9

(2 players)
UTG bets $2.70, Hero calls $2.70

River: ($8.35) 9

(2 players)
UTG bets $4.10, Hero calls $4.10

Total pot: $16.55 | Rake: $0.74

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero didn't show Q

, A

(nothing).
UTG had 9

, K

(three of a kind, nines).
Outcome: UTG won $15.81

 

[pocketehs]

ship the river or call the river?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

UTG ($5.15)
Hero (Button) ($13.60)
Villain (SB) ($20.69)
BB ($5.34)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, 10

UTG bets $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, Villain raises to $0.54, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.39, Hero calls $0.39

Flop: ($1.67) K

, 8

, A

(3 players)
Villain bets $0.82, UTG calls $0.82, Hero calls $0.82

Turn: ($4.13) 8

(3 players)
Villain bets $2.68, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.68

River: ($9.49) 2

(2 players)
Villain bets $4.62, Hero raises to $9.56 (All-In), Villain calls $4.94

Total pot: $28.61 | Rake: $0.50

 

[micromachine]

^^ Any stats on villain? Depends what his VPIP/PFR is, what his 3b range is and how aggressive he is.

If 3bet is 1% its a fold OTT as he is likely to have AA or KK and you're drawing dead.

If 3bet is a more normal 4-5% then we can give him a range of AA, KK, AK here imo when he bets the turn. So he has 3 possible combos of AA, 6 possible combos of KK and 12 possible combos of AK so you're drawing dead just over 1/3 of the time. This and the fact that you probs have ~11 outs (spades and the Aces) so ~22% of making your hand still makes the turn a fold imo.

As played the river is a close one: 9 combos beat you and you beat 12, so shoving is prob slightly more +EV than calling

 

[micromachine]

Looking back I think I should of folded on hand 2 on the river and hand 1 seen as he is very passive, I wounder if they would of bet if they didn't catch them cards.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hand sample 90: 30/23/1.6

SB ($10.42)
Hero (BB) ($10.11)
UTG ($10)
Button ($7.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, 10

1 fold, Button bets $0.26, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.57) 4

, A

, Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.97) 10

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.60, Button raises to $2, Hero calls $1.40

River: ($4.97) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $4.99 (All-In), Hero calls $4.99

Total pot: $14.95 | Rake: $0.67

Results below:

Spoiler

Button had 9

, J

(straight, Queen high).
Hero didn't show A

, 10

(nothing).
Outcome: Button won $14.28

Hand sample 12: 73/9/12.0

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

SB ($10.84)
BB ($14.55)
UTG ($17.44)
MP ($6.86)
Hero (Button) ($10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q

, A

UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.40, 2 folds, UTG raises to $0.70, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.55) 3

, 7

, A

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.70, UTG calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.95) 9

(2 players)
UTG bets $2.70, Hero calls $2.70

River: ($8.35) 9

(2 players)
UTG bets $4.10, Hero calls $4.10

Total pot: $16.55 | Rake: $0.74

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero didn't show Q

, A

(nothing).
UTG had 9

, K

(three of a kind, nines).
Outcome: UTG won $15.81

Hand 1 is a fold OTR imo and hand 2 is probably a fold OTT but certainly OTR, villain is so passive that he has something big here most of the time.

 

[micromachine]

Where do they make idiots like this?

Spoiler

United Kingdom

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($16.29)
SB ($5)
BB ($9.80)
UTG ($6.77)
MP ($1.76)
Hero (CO) ($5)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A

, A

UTG bets $0.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, UTG raises to $6.77 (All-In), Hero calls $4.60 (All-In)

Flop: ($10.07) 9

, 4

, 9

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($10.07) 2

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($10.07) 7

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $10.07 | Rake: $0.42

Results:
UTG had A

, J

(one pair, nines).
Hero had A

, A

(two pair, Aces and nines).
Outcome: Hero won $9.65

 

[Yoshimiii]

What does OTR and OTT mean?

Edit: Just figured it out; On the River, On the turn

 

[micromachine]

Really annoying hand lol.

SB is 19/15, 10%3b, 100 hands
CO is 33/15, 10%3b, 150hands

I 4bet big to try and at least get rid of one of them pre, maybe should've gone bigger? Or just shoved? Post flop maybe my cbet was too big and didn't allow me to bet/fold, not sure bet/folding is good/possible anyway considering pot and stack sizes, maybe there's no way of getting away from it.

Thoughts?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (UTG) ($7.59)
MP ($5.19)
CO ($16.69)
Button ($5)
SB ($10.11)
BB ($12.82)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K

, K

Hero bets $0.17, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.58, 1 fold, SB calls $0.56, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.55, CO calls $0.97, SB calls $0.97

Flop: ($4.70) 3

, 10

, 5

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.60, 1 fold, SB raises to $8.56 (All-In), Hero calls $2.44 (All-In)

Turn: ($16.78) 6

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($16.78) 4

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $16.78 | Rake: $0.70

Results:
SB had 5

, 5

(three of a kind, fives).
Hero had K

, K

(one pair, Kings).
Outcome: SB won $16.08

 

[honeycrush]

Ugh - brutal.

Obviously I'm no expert but I think you played the hand well and there wasn't much you could do. I like your 4-bet size as it's good to get the fish to call with worse hands.

Because of the SB's cold calls, I would have put him on a medium PP or AK. He could also have had JJ or QQ too though. His check raise on the flop would make me think he was on a flush draw or had hit his set. I night have bet bigger on the flop (intending to get stacks in as quickly as possible because there was a possible flush) but as played I don't think you could have got away from it.

Wishing you lots of rungood!

 

[micromachine]

Yeah unfortunately SB gets OK odds to setmine by calling the 4b, and theres no way I cant cbet the flop either. Hmmmm maybe should've done like $2.50 4b or just shoved.

GL to you too !

 

[orangepeeleo]

Theres no way we get away from that on the flop with the size of that pot, so b/f is almost never an option. An ace high board sucks for us, but anything else and we just wanna get the money in, as played though its pretty certain that if either villain has AA the money gets AI pre at some point.

I would prob bet smaller though, like half pot, it might induce some stupid shit and it might get FD's to call, which we arent bothered about anyways b/c w/e comes on the turn we would still be getting it in. Just a cooler for sure.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Ye would of bet smaller post-flop but I am still never folding.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Hand 1: I think a smaller river bet such as $2 would have been better.
Hand 2: I am trying to disipline myself when it comes to folding and paying off passive fish, so I decided that he he wasn't going to be doing this often enough with worse flush hands.

Hand sample 56: 57/4/0.5

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

UTG ($15.77)
MP ($14.31)
Button ($8.95)
Hero (SB) ($11.38)
BB ($9.81)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, 7

2 folds, Button calls $0.10, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, Button calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.90) 2

, 7

, 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.55, Button calls $0.55

Turn: ($2) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, Button calls $1.30

River: ($4.60) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $3, Button calls $3

Total pot: $10.60 | Rake: $0.48

Results below:

Spoiler

Button had J

, 8

(flush, Jack high).
Hero had A

, 7

(three of a kind, sevens).
Outcome: Button won $10.12

Villain Hand sample 23: 65/13/2.2
He was clearly a fish, he min bet/raised alot.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

CO ($10.59)
Button ($3.85)
SB ($4.56)
Hero (BB) ($14.80)
UTG ($10.57)
MP ($4.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10

, A

2 folds, CO bets $0.30, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90) 8

, Q

, A

(3 players)
SB bets $0.16, Hero raises to $0.60, 1 fold, SB calls $0.44

Turn: ($2.10) 3

(2 players)
SB bets $0.66, Hero calls $0.66

River: ($3.42) 6

(2 players)
SB bets $3 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $3.42 | Rake: $0.15

Results below:

Spoiler

SB didn't show

 

[orangepeeleo]

H1 are you b/f'ing that river? I think you should be and I would bet less because of that, but thats minor as it would only be like $2-$2.50

Fold or squeeze pre with H2, as played I guess its fine though, could maybe fold the turn i guess.

 

[Yoshimiii]

H1 are you b/f'ing that river? I think you should be and I would bet less because of that, but thats minor as it would only be like $2-$2.50

Fold or squeeze pre with H2, as played I guess its fine though, could maybe fold the turn i guess.

If I squeezed, the pre-flop raiser would only call with a better hand and the fish would have probably called anyway. To squeeze I thought the loose person had to be the one to open and then another person calls with a lighter hand range. However this guy was a tight player who opened.

Also folding the turn to that bet?? I could very well be ahead here, and even if I aren't I have two tens/aces/possible flush draw to catch...

 

[orangepeeleo]

You havent given us CO stats, but if he opens fairly wide then I prefer a 3bet than flatting MW oop, ATo isnt good enough to flat imo. Just wrote this and noticed the SB was short, just fold pre.

Re: the turn bet, it just looks like we're going into station mode because we have top pair, I dont think we're good and it doesnt look like he's gonna check the river so calling 66c isnt all we're gonna have to call to get to SD.

 

[Yoshimiii]

You havent given us CO stats, but if he opens fairly wide then I prefer a 3bet than flatting MW oop, ATo isnt good enough to flat imo. Just wrote this and noticed the SB was short, just fold pre.

Re: the turn bet, it just looks like we're going into station mode because we have top pair, I dont think we're good and it doesnt look like he's gonna check the river so calling 66c isnt all we're gonna have to call to get to SD.

Co was a tight player. Also I called because of the odds I was getting. The turn, like I said we can catch so many cards on the river, Aces/10's/flushes that can help our hand, if a flush card comes and he checks then we probably have the best hand. Also these guys take weird lines all the time at microstakes I still think folding turn is a mistake.

 

[micromachine]

Sick 12 tabling session +10 buy-ins

Gonna start playing some 10nl again, and drop back to 5nl if bankroll drops below $250. Knowing I have 50 buy-ins for 5nl locked and thinking of 10nl as a shot-take and accepting that it may fail should help avoid tilt.

On course to make Goldstar again too...nice that it's a bit easier @ 2.5K VPP now