MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[Yoshimiii]

Boom hit the $500 mark ^^, my game has improved alot lately I feel with the help of u guys , 3 buy ins up session.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Boom hit the $500 mark ^^, my game has improved alot lately I feel with the help of u guys , 3 buy ins up session.

Weeeee congrats!!

 

[micromachine]

Nice one Yoshi!! You won the race, no prize unfortunately, just glory

Good analysis on the hand BTW guys, ill reply tomorrow and tell you what he had when I have more time

 

[ScottishMatt]

I used to run 12/10 for FR. He probably flats 22-JJ for setmining. A lot of these guys wont 3-bet anything less than QQ. Even then I've seen that flatted . . .


Honestly I think a set is the only hand he takes this line with other than the nut flush, but again he would be betting the nuts for much more value on the river. To him it looks like you are scared of the flush and therefore if you don't have a flush his set must be good, so he makes a small bet to get called by as wide a range as possible.

One hand that we have overlooked is 33, sometimes he folds the flop with this sometimes he might call, but we can be certain that if he calls the flop he plays it exactly like he would a set. So I think a chop is also a possibility.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Ok, it's a bit confusing scourrge but I think I understand, I think calling is fine then, but still think raising is too thin.

Also how do you think I played this hand from last session, I know you aren't supposed to bluff at micro's but it was such a good opportunity it felt, especially with the flush draw, I think I would have given up otherwise.

Here are his stats hand sample 21: 80/10/0.6

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (UTG) ($12.72)
Button ($11.48)
SB ($11.57)
BB ($10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9

, A

Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) 5

, K

, 10

(2 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.70) 2

(2 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $1.40, SB calls $1.30

River: ($4.50) J

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3

Total pot: $10.50 | Rake: $0.47

Results below:

Spoiler

SB had K

, 6

(one pair, Kings).
Hero had 9

, A

(high card, Ace).
Outcome: SB won $10.03

A couple of hands later he started stacking off pre-flop with A/6 multi-way -_-, wish I had that info earlier or I would of just value bet the daylights out of him...

 

[Matt Vaughan]

I used to run 12/10 for FR. He probably flats 22-JJ for setmining. A lot of these guys wont 3-bet anything less than QQ. Even then I've seen that flatted . . .


Honestly I think a set is the only hand he takes this line with other than the nut flush, but again he would be betting the nuts for much more value on the river. To him it looks like you are scared of the flush and therefore if you don't have a flush his set must be good, so he makes a small bet to get called by as wide a range as possible.

One hand that we have overlooked is 33, sometimes he folds the flop with this sometimes he might call, but we can be certain that if he calls the flop he plays it exactly like he would a set. So I think a chop is also a possibility.

I didn't forget it, but I chose to neglect it in my longer analysis, because I think that he doesn't ALWAYS take that line with it, but you're prob right that we can chop here sometimes. I still go for a river shove.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Ok, it's a bit confusing scourrge but I think I understand, I think calling is fine then, but still think raising is too thin.

Also how do you think I played this hand from last session, I know you aren't supposed to bluff at micro's but it was such a good opportunity it felt, especially with the flush draw, I think I would have given up otherwise.

Here are his stats hand sample 21: 80/10/0.6

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (UTG) ($12.72)
Button ($11.48)
SB ($11.57)
BB ($10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9

, A

Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) 5

, K

, 10

(2 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.70) 2

(2 players)
SB bets $0.10, Hero raises to $1.40, SB calls $1.30

River: ($4.50) J

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3

Total pot: $10.50 | Rake: $0.47

Results below:

Spoiler

SB had K

, 6

(one pair, Kings).
Hero had 9

, A

(high card, Ace).
Outcome: SB won $10.03

A couple of hands later he started stacking off pre-flop with A/6 multi-way -_-, wish I had that info earlier or I would of just value bet the daylights out of him...

Do us all a favor and stop trying to bluff 80/10's But yeah, in all seriousness, I don't hate the flop raise since he looks so weak, but I would have put him on 2nd pair or worse with his bet. When he calls I can't expect him to ever fold on later streets, so just give up after the flop bluff doesn't get through.

Btw, if that combo stuff is confusing, I can go over a couple more hands in detail like that if you'd like - or maybe an article on combinatorial analysis in general? Some spots lend themselves better to combinatorial analysis than others though, and frankly that was a pretty decent one for it.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Do us all a favor and stop trying to bluff 80/10's But yeah, in all seriousness, I don't hate the flop raise since he looks so weak, but I would have put him on 2nd pair or worse with his bet. When he calls I can't expect him to ever fold on later streets, so just give up after the flop bluff doesn't get through.

Btw, if that combo stuff is confusing, I can go over a couple more hands in detail like that if you'd like - or maybe an article on combinatorial analysis in general? Some spots lend themselves better to combinatorial analysis than others though, and frankly that was a pretty decent one for it.

Ye I agree, the flush draw made me play it aggressively :/. Giving up on flop and taking a free card seems best.

 

[orangepeeleo]

Ended up +1bi tonight, despite running like dogshit against the loose passives, of which there were many, yoshi I was on one of your tables tonight, might have noticed this hand

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2075741
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: $10.00
Hero (UTG): $17.96
MP: $9.73
CO: $10.50
BTN: $10.40
SB: $3.09

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with K :spade: K :heart:
Hero raises to $0.40, MP calls $0.40, 2 folds, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.30) 7 :club: 8 :heart: T :diamond: (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.90, MP calls $0.90, SB calls $0.90

Turn: ($4.00) K :club: (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.80, MP calls $2.80, SB folds

River: ($9.60) J :diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $4.60

Final Pot: $9.60
MP shows 9 :heart: Q :spade: (a straight, Nine to King)
MP wins $9.17
(Rake: $0.43)

ooh and dont tap the glass

 

[dsvw56]

Flop and turn raises are standard imo. Especially after picking up a ton of equity on the turn. min donks are almost always weak draws or a weak pair. Just check the river back, he's pretty much never folding better.

 

[micromachine]

What about this one? Villain is 12/8, 50AfQ, 400 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

UTG ($16.49)
Hero (MP) ($12.30)
CO ($10.38)
Button ($15.68)
SB ($11.83)
BB ($2.92)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A

, 3

1 fold, Hero bets $0.35, CO calls $0.35, 1 fold, SB calls $0.30, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.15) 4

, 2

, 5

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.80, CO calls $0.80, SB calls $0.80

Turn: ($3.55) A

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, CO calls $2, 1 fold

River: ($7.55) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3.10, Hero calls $3.10

Total pot: $13.75 | Rake: $0.62

Right, I'll just put this one to bed. Agree with you guys that KsQs is pretty much the only flush he can have here making the river at least a call, and given that a set or AK might call a shove, shoving is the most profitable play. In the end I was surprised by what he had: AdTd

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Right, I'll just put this one to bed. Agree with you guys that KsQs is pretty much the only flush he can have here making the river at least a call, and given that a set or AK might call a shove, shoving is the most profitable play. In the end I was surprised by what he had: AdTd

Bahahahaha he butchers this spot soooooo bad.

So much for my pretty analysis

 

[micromachine]

Well he showed up with an unexpected hand but your analysis was good and would've led you to making the right play....SHOVE

 

[Yoshimiii]

Ended up +1bi tonight, despite running like dogshit against the loose passives, of which there were many, yoshi I was on one of your tables tonight, might have noticed this hand

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2075741
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: $10.00
Hero (UTG): $17.96
MP: $9.73
CO: $10.50
BTN: $10.40
SB: $3.09

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with K <font color='black'>♠</font> K <font color='red'>♥</font>
Hero raises to $0.40, MP calls $0.40, 2 folds, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.30) 7 <font color='black'>♣</font> 8 <font color='red'>♥</font> T <font color='red'>♦</font> (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.90, MP calls $0.90, SB calls $0.90

Turn: ($4.00) K <font color='black'>♣</font> (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.80, MP calls $2.80, SB folds

River: ($9.60) J <font color='red'>♦</font> (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $4.60

Final Pot: $9.60
MP shows 9 <font color='red'>♥</font> Q <font color='black'>♠</font> (a straight, Nine to King)
MP wins $9.17
(Rake: $0.43)

ooh and dont tap the glass

didn't see you on tables (multitabling lots that's why) wish I had , and ye there was a ton of loose-passive fish on.

Fold River I think.

 

[micromachine]

How may tables do you play Yoshi?

I'm playing some 10nl now so see you guys there

 

[orangepeeleo]

didn't see you on tables (multitabling lots that's why) wish I had , and ye there was a ton of loose-passive fish on.

Fold River I think.

Yeah I did fold the river, and he showed Q9, mother****er lol

I searched you and you were only on 5 when I was on, but you still had time to tap the glass and berate a fish a little bit! tut tut tut yoshi, dont do that

How may tables do you play Yoshi?

I'm playing some 10nl now so see you guys there

I'll be on in about half an hour after I've put the kids to bed.

 

[orangepeeleo]

Im peelieweeli @ stars btw , with a bane avatar

 

[orangepeeleo]

Up 4bi's since I moved to stars and started 10nl 6m

BR's at a dissapointing $498.18 lol would jump back on for a bit to try and push it over $500 but you know thats when the downswing comes lol

 

[Yoshimiii]

Yeah I did fold the river, and he showed Q9, mother****er lol

I searched you and you were only on 5 when I was on, but you still had time to tap the glass and berate a fish a little bit! tut tut tut yoshi, dont do that



I'll be on in about half an hour after I've put the kids to bed.

Ha ye I couldn't help it, I was waiting for tables as well, usually play 9 at a time (fits on screen best), I actually went easy with the berating than i usually do.

 

[Logan2]

At what avg vpip should leave from a table on 6max?, on FR usually leave when go down to 18-20, but no idea on 6max.

Is there a way to separate stats on 6max from FR on HEM?, only filter i find is the #players between 2-6, but if a FR table get short still is included there right?.


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[orangepeeleo]

Don't look at the avg as an indicator of whether to leave, look at the players to your left and right and ask yourself if you can exploit them, if not then leave.

I use table avgs to pick tables initially but once I'm sat I'll look at the players on the table, for example, you could be on a table of nits so the avg vpip is say 17, but the guys to your left fold to steals all the time and the guy to your right opens noticeably wider in LP but is shit when oop and being pressured. Here we can steal all day and 3bet or flat a wider range otb and make money from the shitreg to our right. Like, its an extreme example and there are prob better tables if we look, but the avg vpip didn't tell the full story because it's very likely we'll still be profitable there

 

[Yoshimiii]

I think it would just be easier to get pos on the fish and value bet them than go up against regs and stealing. Anyway I leave when table has no fish or it's lower than 24 vpip.

 

[Yoshimiii]

-4 buyins due to a completely horrible session, wasn't ahead once..

Sample: 128 22/17/2.1 ST: 43

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($12.65)
Hero (SB) ($10)
BB ($12.02)
UTG ($17.28)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J

, 10

1 fold, Button bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.60, 1 fold, Button calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.30) J

, 7

, 10

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, Button raises to $2.40, Hero calls $1.60

Turn: ($6.10) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $3.20, Button raises to $7, Hero calls $3.80 (All-In)

River: ($20.10) 9

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $20.10 | Rake: $0.90

Results below:

Spoiler

Button had 7

, 7

(four of a kind, sevens).
Hero had J

, 10

(two pair, Jacks and tens).
Outcome: Button won $19.20

Don't like how I snap called this one.

Sample: 41 47/36/7.0

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

UTG ($4.60)
Hero (Button) ($10.53)
SB ($9.90)
BB ($14.84)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7

, A

UTG bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 2

, 10

, A

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.40, UTG raises to $4.30 (All-In), Hero calls $3.90

Turn: ($9.35) 5

(2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($9.35) 6

(2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $9.35 | Rake: $0.42

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero had 7

, A

(one pair, Aces).
UTG had K

, A

(one pair, Aces).
Outcome: UTG won $8.93

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

UTG ($10)
MP ($17.10)
CO ($21.39)
Button ($3.20)
Hero (SB) ($10)
BB ($10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7

, 7

UTG bets $0.40, MP calls $0.40, CO calls $0.40, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.35, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.70) 5

, 7

, 6

(4 players)
Hero bets $1.25, UTG calls $1.25, 1 fold, CO calls $1.25

Turn: ($5.45) 4

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2.50, CO calls $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

River: ($12.95) 2

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets $4, Hero folds, UTG calls $4

Total pot: $20.95 | Rake: $0.94

Results below:

Spoiler

UTG didn't show
CO had 8

, K

(straight, eight high).
Outcome: CO won $20.01

Sample: 28 70/11/6.5

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

BB ($10)
UTG ($16.70)
MP ($33.25)
CO ($3.20)
Hero (Button) ($10)
SB ($10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q

, Q

UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.40, MP calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.65) 8

, 4

, 8

(3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1, UTG calls $1, MP raises to $3, Hero calls $2, 1 fold

Turn: ($8.65) 6

(2 players)
MP bets $4.60, Hero folds

Total pot: $8.65 | Rake: $0.39

Results below:

Spoiler

MP didn't show

 

[Logan2]

Don't look at the avg as an indicator of whether to leave, look at the players to your left and right and ask yourself if you can exploit them, if not then leave.

I use table avgs to pick tables initially but once I'm sat I'll look at the players on the table, for example, you could be on a table of nits so the avg vpip is say 17, but the guys to your left fold to steals all the time and the guy to your right opens noticeably wider in LP but is shit when oop and being pressured. Here we can steal all day and 3bet or flat a wider range otb and make money from the shitreg to our right. Like, its an extreme example and there are prob better tables if we look, but the avg vpip didn't tell the full story because it's very likely we'll still be profitable there

I think it would just be easier to get pos on the fish and value bet them than go up against regs and stealing. Anyway I leave when table has no fish or it's lower than 24 vpip.

Agree with you peels, i´m not use avg table to instantly get out, is more like a helper after look to some conditions.

My process on the table is to color code everyone there, purple to >34 vpip, light blue to 23-34, yellow 0-22 and red everyone with 3b 5-8 and vpip 14-22. So i always want on my tables that the >34 be to me rigth (or at least out of the blinds on 6max), the 0-24 can be anywhere but better on my blinds. I dont want the light blue or red on my blinds, i can live with the light blue but with the red better if is on my rights and not on the blinds. (notice this are numbers for color code on FR need to work for 6max ).

Now after some time what i check is if still have any purple there, if not then is time to leave but because people are always in and out then some times don´t have people color coded because not enough hands yet, so if i don´t see any purple then next step is avg table, i could look to see if still more blues than yellows and what position is everyone but because multitabling then is faster/easier to look on avg table, sure some times could stay with the appropiates people on the suitables spots and still be profitable which i probably gona need to do when playing higher, but at this levels i prefeer just leave and open another that is going to be more profitable with purples. Like Yoshii said is easier-better to look for fish to my right than stay because can extract nits or regs, at the end this is just thin value, and we want the fat ones.

Thanks guys.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Agree with you peels, i´m not use avg table to instantly get out, is more like a helper after look to some conditions.

My process on the table is to color code everyone there, purple to >34 vpip, light blue to 23-34, yellow 0-22 and red everyone with 3b 5-8 and vpip 14-22. So i always want on my tables that the >34 be to me rigth (or at least out of the blinds on 6max), the 0-24 can be anywhere but better on my blinds. I dont want the light blue or red on my blinds, i can live with the light blue but with the red better if is on my rights and not on the blinds. (notice this are numbers for color code on FR need to work for 6max ).

Now after some time what i check is if still have any purple there, if not then is time to leave but because people are always in and out then some times don´t have people color coded because not enough hands yet, so if i don´t see any purple then next step is avg table, i could look to see if still more blues than yellows and what position is everyone but because multitabling then is faster/easier to look on avg table, sure some times could stay with the appropiates people on the suitables spots and still be profitable which i probably gona need to do when playing higher, but at this levels i prefeer just leave and open another that is going to be more profitable with purples. Like Yoshii said is easier-better to look for fish to my right than stay because can extract nits or regs, at the end this is just thin value, and we want the fat ones.

Thanks guys.

Seems like a lot of hard work colour coding everyone.. I just look at the stats on my hud.