MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[AlfieAA]

8 month old son = tired = brainfart

Haha

 

[micromachine]

Thanks cafe, yeah I get you......so say its 13/7 120 hands, which would mean his limping range is 6% and his raising range is 7%...that right?....so I would put the 7% on stove and get his raising range...which means putting my jj's and his 7% we get 55%-45% in our favour....that ok?....and yeah I 3betted and he folded lol, so he prob had 88 or something

13/7 mean he raises 7% of the time and limps or calls 6% of the time...remember, the difference between VPIP and PFR does not only come from limping.

Also you have to take into account where he is sitting. He raises pre 7% of the time overall, but that will be skewed towards later positions. His PFR from UTG+1 where you said he was sitting is likely to be considerably lower, possibly only 2% or 3%. So your JJ isn't great against that range but you can still call to setmine or take the pot down if he has something like AK or AQs and doesn't cbet.

 

[AlfieAA]

13/7 mean he raises 7% of the time and limps or calls 6% of the time...remember, the difference between VPIP and PFR does not only come from limping.

Also you have to take into account where he is sitting. He raises pre 7% of the time overall, but that will be skewed towards later positions. His PFR from UTG+1 where you said he was sitting is likely to be considerably lower, possibly only 2% or 3%. So your JJ isn't great against that range but you can still call to setmine or take the pot down if he has something like AK or AQs and doesn't cbet.

Thanks mm, makes sense, wow this is more intricate that what I thought....yeah I will take all these considerations into account next time, gonna take notes what you guys are saying....yeah makes sense to setmine, I shouldn't have 3bet...ty

 

[Matt Vaughan]

^^ Listen to him not me

I think that there are going to be way more opportunities to 3bet than 20-40 out of 700 hands...more like 150 opportunities I reckon.

edit: this is reply to scourrge post btw but CM posted inbetween

Depends on FR vs. 6m, but yah sorry I had a brain fart, and haven't grinded against people I had a sample size that big against in months.

 

[micromachine]

Everyone had a brainfart lol

 

[AlfieAA]

>.<

If you have 700 hands against him total, then no, it is NOT 21/700 hands...

3bet stat = # of times 3bet / # of opportunities to 3bet

To have an opportunity to 3bet, it must have been raised and come to you with no one else 3betting. In a total sample of 700 hands, the 3bet sample is likely in the realm of 20-40 hands.

thanks matt, makes sense

 

[orangepeeleo]

Thanks mm, makes sense, wow this is more intricate that what I thought....yeah I will take all these considerations into account next time, gonna take notes what you guys are saying....yeah makes sense to setmine, I shouldn't have 3bet...ty

This is why I use raise first in stats on my HUD, because then I can see straight away what peoples ranges are by position, I know we can use a popup too but i was forever checking it so just added it straight to the HUD, takes up a bit more space, but it also means I don't need to put steal stats in there because I can just see how much he opens up in position.

 

[Jackle43]

Villian was a fish
Line check? Push or fold flop?

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2165164
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $2.13
SB: $2.13
BB: $5.70
UTG: $2.13
CO: $1.10

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with Q ♥ 9 ♥
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 1 fold, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.13) 3 ♣ 9 ♣ Q ♠ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.10, BB raises to $0.28, Hero raises to $0.96, BB raises to $2, Hero??????

 

[Matt Vaughan]

GII. No question.

 

[pocketehs]

Villian was a fish
Line check? Push or fold flop?

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2165164
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $2.13
SB: $2.13
BB: $5.70
UTG: $2.13
CO: $1.10

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with Q ♥ 9 ♥
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, 1 fold, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.13) 3 ♣ 9 ♣ Q ♠ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.10, BB raises to $0.28, Hero raises to $0.96, BB raises to $2, Hero??????

Yeah GII.


Havent posted a hand here in a while. Found a nice one for everyone to talk about...

Only seen him 4 bet once with AA so we know hes got a tight GII pre range so when he calls my 4 bet I expect him to have like JJ+/AQ+.

Notes:
- Called 3bets IP w QJs
- fold to 4 bet after 3 bet = 0%


Keep in mind our equity vs his range is about 60/40

Its like 55/45 vs KsKc..


Whats our sizing OTF?


PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $10.00 (VPIP: 8.51, PFR: 6.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 50)
CO: $22.93 (VPIP: 16.46, PFR: 11.39, 3Bet Preflop: 6.82, Hands: 80)
Hero (BTN): $26.58
SB: $12.61 (VPIP: 38.91, PFR: 24.43, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 229)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A:heart: A:club:

CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, SB raises to $1.40, fold, fold, Hero raises to $3.20, SB calls $1.80

Flop: ($6.60, 2 players) J:spade: 9:spade: 4:spade:
SB checks, Hero bets ???

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Half pot flop, half pot turn shove (roughly).

 

[Matt Vaughan]

And btw, posting "Fold to 4bet after 3bet = 0%" is almost meaningless unless you have an enormous sample, probably.

 

[micromachine]

[x] Haven't tilted for over a month
[x] Haven't played outside my BR, even though no table restrictions set, for over a month
[x] Been crushing
[x] Almost ready to move up to 10nl again

 

[micromachine]

Havent posted a hand here in a while. Found a nice one for everyone to talk about...

Only seen him 4 bet once with AA so we know hes got a tight GII pre range so when he calls my 4 bet I expect him to have like JJ+/AQ+.

Notes:
- Called 3bets IP w QJs
- fold to 4 bet after 3 bet = 0%


Keep in mind our equity vs his range is about 60/40

Its like 55/45 vs KsKc..


Whats our sizing OTF?


PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $10.00 (VPIP: 8.51, PFR: 6.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)
CO: $22.93 (VPIP: 16.46, PFR: 11.39, 3Bet Preflop: 6.82, Hands: 80)
Hero (BTN): $26.58
SB: $12.61 (VPIP: 38.91, PFR: 24.43, 3Bet Preflop: 4.88, Hands: 229)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A♥ A♣

CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, SB raises to $1.40, fold, fold, Hero raises to $3.20, SB calls $1.80

Flop: ($6.60, 2 players) J♠ 9♠ 4♠
SB checks, Hero bets ???

Agree with Scourrge that any info about 4betting or reacting to 4bets is meaningless with 229 hands. Not sure how many you need to know about 4bet tendencies, well over 1K I would think.

And agree with 1/2 PSB OTF but maybe a bit more, with the FD there I want to do almost $4 then shove any turn.

 

[micromachine]

Pretty annoyed with myself for not betting the river here

Comments on bet sizing?

SB is 27/20, 4% 3bet, got 350 hands on him
BTN is 55/4, 0% 3bet, got 80 hands on him

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (3 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (BB) ($9.03)
Button ($4)
SB ($13.42)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, A

Button bets $0.15, SB calls $0.13, Hero raises to $0.60, Button calls $0.45, SB calls $0.45

Flop: ($1.80) K

, 3

, A

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, Button calls $1, SB calls $1

Turn: ($4.80) 5

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, Button calls $2.40 (All-In), SB calls $2.50

River: ($12.20) 6

(3 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $12.20 | Rake: $0.50

Results below:
Button didn't show
SB had A

, 7

(one pair, Aces).
Hero had K

, A

(two pair, Aces and Kings).
Outcome: Hero won $11.70

 

[pocketehs]

Half pot flop, half pot turn shove (roughly).

Agree with Scourrge that any info about 4betting or reacting to 4bets is meaningless with 229 hands. Not sure how many you need to know about 4bet tendencies, well over 1K I would think.

And agree with 1/2 PSB OTF but maybe a bit more, with the FD there I want to do almost $4 then shove any turn.

Why not just shove the flop? Its basically a PSB and I doubt hes ever folding AQ+ with a spade and hardly ever folding an overpair OTF espc if he has one with a spade...

dunno thats just what Im thinking

 

[xdeucesx]

Pretty annoyed with myself for not betting the river here

Comments on bet sizing?

SB is 27/20, 4% 3bet, got 350 hands on him
BTN is 55/4, 0% 3bet, got 80 hands on him

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (3 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Hero (BB) ($9.03)
Button ($4)
SB ($13.42)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, A

Button bets $0.15, SB calls $0.13, Hero raises to $0.60, Button calls $0.45, SB calls $0.45

Flop: ($1.80) K

, 3

, A

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, Button calls $1, SB calls $1

Turn: ($4.80) 5

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, Button calls $2.40 (All-In), SB calls $2.50

River: ($12.20) 6

(3 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $12.20 | Rake: $0.50

Results below:
Button didn't show
SB had A

, 7

(one pair, Aces).
Hero had K

, A

(two pair, Aces and Kings).
Outcome: Hero won $11.70

ya, not vbetting river is no bueno. Other than that, I think your fine on the sizing, maybe a bit bigger on the turn to make a river shove easier, but meh. I think it looks fine personally, just vb river

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Why not just shove the flop? Its basically a PSB and I doubt hes ever folding AQ+ with a spade and hardly ever folding an overpair OTF espc if he has one with a spade...

dunno thats just what Im thinking

Isn't it like $9 into < $7?? But yah I don't hate shoving the flop. Just doubt we lose much value by going for the two-street move, and by shoving we prob fold out too much action from hands that don't have a spade in them.

 

[pocketehs]

Isn't it like $9 into < $7?? But yah I don't hate shoving the flop. Just doubt we lose much value by going for the two-street move, and by shoving we prob fold out too much action from hands that don't have a spade in them.

sorry i must have been looking at another hand in review cause i thought it was like 6 something.

But do you think a fish is going to fold an overpair QQ without a spade? Fish dont like folding overpairs. Imo the only hands i think i fold are AK/AQ without a spade.

Just wanted to see what everyone thought thanks for the responses!

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Does SB really 3bet/flat QQ pre rather than getting it in though??

 

[pocketehs]

Does SB really 3bet/flat QQ pre rather than getting it in though??

I assume so. Like I thought his range is like AQ+/JJ+ but I imagine hes getting KK in.

What else can we include? AJ/KQ?

 

[micromachine]

Lol hand from yesterday, I shovelled the river to get max value from Tx, was blown away when I saw what he mucked


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

BB ($5)
UTG ($6.26)
MP ($5.84)
Button ($4.52)
Hero (SB) ($9.63)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, 10

UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, Button bets $0.15, Hero calls $0.13, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.50) K

, J

, Q

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks

Turn: ($0.50) 8

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.35, UTG calls $0.35, 1 fold

River: ($1.20) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $9.13 (All-In), UTG calls $5.76 (All-In)

Total pot: $12.72 | Rake: $0.53

Results below:
Hero had A

, 10

(straight, Ace high).
UTG had K

, 5

(one pair, Kings).
Outcome: Hero won $12.19

 

[micromachine]

Gotta be a fold OTR? Villain is nit 13/7, 0% 3b, 100 hands


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP ($10.24)
CO ($5)
Button ($3.83)
SB ($5.48)
BB ($4.97)
Hero (UTG) ($5)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q

, Q

Hero bets $0.17, 3 folds, SB calls $0.15, BB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.51) 2

, 10

, 7

(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.35, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold

Turn: ($1.21) J

(2 players)
SB bets $0.85, Hero calls $0.85

River: ($2.91) J

(2 players)
SB bets $2.10, Hero folds

Total pot: $2.91 | Rake: $0.12

Results below:

Spoiler

SB didn't show

 

[micromachine]

And last one for now...

Villain is 22/19, 8% 3b, 70 hands

I realised he could only be raising the flop with a decent Kx hand or as a semi-bluff. So how bad is flatting his raise? Should I have re-raised with the FD and SD there?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP ($3.47)
Hero (CO) ($5)
Button ($5.19)
SB ($5.64)
BB ($5.46)
UTG ($4.89)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7

, 7

1 fold, MP bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, Button calls $0.20, SB calls $0.18, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.85) 6

, 7

, K

(4 players)
SB checks, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.55, 1 fold, SB raises to $1.30, Hero calls $0.75

Turn: ($3.45) 8

(2 players)
SB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($6.45) 7

(2 players)
SB bets $2.64 (All-In), Hero calls $2 (All-In)

Total pot: $10.45 | Rake: $0.43

 

[Yoshimiii]

re-raise flop and GII I would say. Too many draws that check-raise here more than a K/X type hand.