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Figaroo2 said:
I agree with Fisi's analysis which looks fine.
Regarding 4 bet bluffing in this spot. Personally I wouldn't and my primary reason would be that this is 1c2c (2nl) and mostly players are learning and don't know how to bluff correctly. His raise on the flop is highly likely to mean what it says on the tin, i.e I have a good hand. At 2nl without good reads work on the premise that most bets mean exactly what they represent.
This wouldn't just be him three betting an opening raise, this would be him re-raising your flop cbet which indicates even more strength.
As Vinyl righly pointed out recently in his string, at this level you make money by value betting with good made hands.
As we know he had KK so this just reinforces this point.
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Your thoughts about most people at .02nl not understanding or seeing bluffs is dead on and that's what I was thinking as well. John's second video that he posted about trying to paint a picture with certain texture is tough on this level as well. I've found that some get it and others just don't ad check right through to the river. I saw this the other day and the player that was trying to bluff lost his marbles and called his opponent a whole raft of names. I decided to stay at that table and take advantage of his tilt :)
 
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Here is a funny example of taking from a reg isolating a fish. Would have done this with any hand that flops well... just a bonus I had QQ
unbelievable bizarre outcome...
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/7171231_D15720CE90

poker stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

BTN: $3.98 (79.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $5.88 (117.6 bb)
BB: $3.42 (68.4 bb)
UTG: $5.95 (119 bb)
MP: $14.45 (289 bb)
CO: $1.74 (34.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Qs Qd
2 folds, CO raises to $0.10, BTN raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.20, BB folds, CO raises to $1.74 and is all-in, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.54

Flop: ($3.93) Ks 8s 7h (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($3.93) 5d (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($3.93) Ad (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $3.93 pot ($0.16 rake)
Final Board: Ks 8s 7h 5d Ad OK I'm probably stuffed
Hero showed Qs Qd and won $3.77 ($2.03 net)
CO mucked 5s 9h and lost (-$1.74 net) :) maybe not lmao
 
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Figaroo2 said:
Here is a funny example of taking from a reg isolating a fish. Would have done this with any hand that flops well... just a bonus I had QQ
unbelievable bizarre outcome...
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/7171231_D15720CE90

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

BTN: $3.98 (79.6 bb)
Hero (SB): $5.88 (117.6 bb)
BB: $3.42 (68.4 bb)
UTG: $5.95 (119 bb)
MP: $14.45 (289 bb)
CO: $1.74 (34.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Qs Qd
2 folds, CO raises to $0.10, BTN raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.20, BB folds, CO raises to $1.74 and is all-in, BTN folds, Hero calls $0.54

Flop: ($3.93) Ks 8s 7h (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($3.93) 5d (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($3.93) Ad (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $3.93 pot ($0.16 rake)
Final Board: Ks 8s 7h 5d Ad OK I'm probably stuffed
Hero showed Qs Qd and won $3.77 ($2.03 net)
CO mucked 5s 9h and lost (-$1.74 net) :) maybe not lmao
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Nice hand!
 
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River decision in way ahead/way behind sceanario

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players ZOOM

Hero (BTN): $5.21 (104.2 bb)
CO: $12.55 (251 bb) No reads other than he has a decent stack so must be half decent.

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Ah Qh
2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, 2 folds
(I'm experimenting calling here a bit more often to keep in weaker ranges, yes I could 3bet for value)

Flop: ($0.37) 4s Jh Qs (2 players)
CO bets $0.26, Hero raises to $0.65, CO calls $0.39
(Ok he has called so he must have something, his range is massive here though I have no reads on him at all)
Turn: ($1.67) 7d (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks
(i'm checking here for pot control after this harmless brick, I only have a one pair hand after all)

River: ($1.67) As (2 players)
(We have top two, flush is out there now but his realistic only holding to have the flush would be Ks 10s or 9s-10s)
CO bets $1.04,
Here is the key decision, he has bet out quite large, is he just bluffing after our turn check? Are we miles ahead or miles behind?. Do we just call? Or raise for extra value? If we raise by how much?
My decision making in these way ahead/way behind is one of my weaker areas
 
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ok no joking this is the next hand I played

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

BTN: $18.25 (365 bb)
Hero (CO): $5.00 (102.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Js Ts
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.37) 3c Td Jc (2 players)
Hero bets $0.25, BTN calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.87) 8d (2 players)
Hero bets $0.85, BTN calls $0.85 (wtf is he calling with??)

River: ($2.57) 9s (2 players)
Both check

Final Board: 3c Td Jc 8d 9s
BTN showed 9h 9d and won $2.46 ($1.21 net)
Hero showed Js Ts and lost (-$1.25 net) HHmmmm running like shite tonight:mad: in fact 10 mins is enough i'm moving sites already.
 
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Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players ZOOM

Hero (BTN): $5.21 (104.2 bb)
CO: $12.55 (251 bb) No reads other than he has a decent stack so must be half decent.

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Ah Qh
2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, 2 folds
(I'm experimenting calling here a bit more often to keep in weaker ranges, yes I could 3bet for value)

Flop: ($0.37) 4s Jh Qs (2 players)
CO bets $0.26, Hero raises to $0.65, CO calls $0.39
(Ok he has called so he must have something, his range is massive here though I have no reads on him at all)
Turn: ($1.67) 7d (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks
(i'm checking here for pot control after this harmless brick, I only have a one pair hand after all)

River: ($1.67) As (2 players)
(We have top two, flush is out there now but his realistic only holding to have the flush would be Ks 10s or 9s-10s)
CO bets $1.04,
Here is the key decision, he has bet out quite large, is he just bluffing after our turn check? Are we miles ahead or miles behind?. Do we just call? Or raise for extra value? If we raise by how much?
My decision making in these way ahead/way behind is one of my weaker areas
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Can I try? Considering he's in the CO and raised 3BB I'd say he's probably holding KJ K10 109 maybe JJ 1010. A pretty light raise for a pair though IMO. Not having any more of a read I wouldn't think he had anything larger. After the call on the turn I would put him on a set or a flush draw, leaning more towards the set. The check on the turn was trapping and the bet on the river was a raise for the J set, not the flush. Depending on the aggressiveness of villain I would either raise 3.5x his bet to bluff the flush or fold this one out.

Not that I know anything but am I close?
 
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Figaroo2 said:
Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players ZOOM

Hero (BTN): $5.21 (104.2 bb)
CO: $12.55 (251 bb) No reads other than he has a decent stack so must be half decent.

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Ah Qh
2 folds, CO raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, 2 folds
(I'm experimenting calling here a bit more often to keep in weaker ranges, yes I could 3bet for value)

Flop: ($0.37) 4s Jh Qs (2 players)
CO bets $0.26, Hero raises to $0.65, CO calls $0.39
(Ok he has called so he must have something, his range is massive here though I have no reads on him at all)
Turn: ($1.67) 7d (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks
(i'm checking here for pot control after this harmless brick, I only have a one pair hand after all)

River: ($1.67) As (2 players)
(We have top two, flush is out there now but his realistic only holding to have the flush would be Ks 10s or 9s-10s)
CO bets $1.04,
Here is the key decision, he has bet out quite large, is he just bluffing after our turn check? Are we miles ahead or miles behind?. Do we just call? Or raise for extra value? If we raise by how much?
My decision making in these way ahead/way behind is one of my weaker areas
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After he calls your flop raise, I would put him on a range consisting of sets that he sometimes doesn't reraise with (QQ,JJ,44), overpairs, QJ, AJ/KJ, AQ/KQ, perhaps QT, flush draws (67s+). I think he folds weaker jacks and weaker queens. I also think he probably folds AK.

I think that the turn is a bet for charging his draws and light value against his queens.

After he leads the river I think his range is very strong, the only thing I see that he is beting and that we beat is AJ, so I think the river is a fold. I don't think we get any value here if we reraise, nor get any better hands to fold.
 
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The more I have looked at this hand the more it looks like a flush draw or an oesd that got there on the end. Raising cannot be right the only thing that is calling crushes two pair. It must be a call or fold.
 
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Here's a question for you folks. I'm re-reading chapter 6 and going through different hands in my head remembering how I was practicing squeezing in different positions. Here's the hand that I'm curious about. I don't remember the exact hand but I was in SB with AdQd. Preflop the cut off raised 3bb (.15) button calls and I 3 bet 3x (.45). BB goes all in for just over a dollar so I call and both cut off and button fold. BB ends up with AKo and we ended up spliting the pot.

Anyway after the hand, BB types "lucky!" Maybe I was but I thought this was the right call to make. Am I wrong here? Should I have folded? I had a feeling he had a big hand and wasn't bluffing but with an AQ suited I was pretty confident he didnt have AA in his hands. I actually put him on AKo AQo AJo and maybe KK.

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Sneaky Feet said:
Here's a question for you folks. I'm re-reading chapter 6 and going through different hands in my head remembering how I was practicing squeezing in different positions. Here's the hand that I'm curious about. I don't remember the exact hand but I was in SB with AdQd. Preflop the cut off raised 3bb (.15) button calls and I 3 bet 3x (.45). BB goes all in for just over a dollar so I call and both cut off and button fold. BB ends up with AKo and we ended up spliting the pot.

Anyway after the hand, BB types "lucky!" Maybe I was but I thought this was the right call to make. Am I wrong here? Should I have folded? I had a feeling he had a big hand and wasn't bluffing but with an AQ suited I was pretty confident he didnt have AA in his hands. I actually put him on AKo AQo AJo and maybe KK.

Thoughts?
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Super standard :). Once the BB pushes (let's say he has 1$), there's 1,75$ in the pot and you need to call 0,55$. This means you need 31% equity (0,55/1,75) to call, and even if we assign him a very conservative range (TT+, AJo+, AJs+) you have 45% equity. Easy call, well played ;)
 
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Actually I think the calculation is wrong and you only need 24% equity (0,55/2,3) since the pot will be 2,3$ after you call, not 1,75$. Sorry for the double post, still have to find the edit button :p
 
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Thanks Fisi this is kind of what I thought. To me it seemed like an easy call but I wanted to double check. In this situation I really dont see a fold being an option.
 
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Super standard,as Fisi said you need 24%,with someone playing with 20bb stack you should never fold.against the range you put him on you have 46%.
Just curious why your confident he hasn't got AAs?
Had you got a read?
 
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John if you have a moment I would like to ask you about this hand. In your book on I believe page 53 you talk about having a calling range and from how I understand it K10 is one of the hands that would be in that range. Am I reading your graph correctly?

For this hand preflop I was willing to bet 3bb. I was in the cut off and MP2 decided to raise to 3bb so I called. How could I have played this hand differently? I posted this same hand in brags and beats because I was pretty happy about it but now I'm not so sure. Currently I'm working on opening my range from what I would consider TAG. 2 weeks ago I wouldn't have even played this hand period. Thoughts?

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pokerstars Hand #111252944973: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2014/02/03 20:50:15 PT [2014/02/03 23:50:15 ET]
Table 'Leda VI' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: vazquezornel ($5.23 in chips)
Seat 2: eiphoria ($2.10 in chips)
Seat 4: DaPringler84 ($4.95 in chips)
Seat 5: hrumx ($0.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Evgeniy931 ($2.60 in chips)
Seat 7: Sneaky Feet ($1.73 in chips)
Seat 8: skerdser ($1.54 in chips)
Seat 9: elcheradikal ($1.48 in chips)
elcheradikal: posts small blind $0.01
vazquezornel: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sneaky Feet [Kc Td]
eiphoria: folds
DaPringler84: folds
hrumx: folds
Evgeniy931: raises $0.04 to $0.06
Sneaky Feet: calls $0.06
skerdser: folds
elcheradikal: folds
vazquezornel: folds
*** FLOP *** [6h Qd Jc]
Evgeniy931: bets $0.08
Sneaky Feet: calls $0.08
*** TURN *** [6h Qd Jc] [7c]
Evgeniy931: bets $0.18
.SKRAP.0 leaves the table
Sneaky Feet: calls $0.18
*** RIVER *** [6h Qd Jc 7c] [Ac]
Evgeniy931: bets $0.36
Sneaky Feet: raises $1.05 to $1.41 and is all-in
Evgeniy931: calls $1.05
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sneaky Feet: shows [Kc Td] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Evgeniy931: shows [7h 7s] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Sneaky Feet collected $3.37 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.49 | Rake $0.12
Board [6h Qd Jc 7c Ac]
Seat 1: vazquezornel (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: eiphoria folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DaPringler84 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: hrumx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Evgeniy931 showed [7h 7s] and lost with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 7: Sneaky Feet showed [Kc Td] and won ($3.37) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 8: skerdser (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: elcheradikal (small blind) folded before Flop


Thanks.
 
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Leak Buster

Great program! I'm working on my Continuation Betting with no hand/no draw and using Leak Buster Filter #18. Are these filters available for download so that I can use them with various reports within Holdem Manager2?

If the filters are not available for download, are there any resources that show the exact options that were used within LeakBuster so that I can manuallyreproduce the filter within Hm2?

Here is what I have so far:
Flop Cbet Made = True
Flop Hand Value = High Card No Overcards, One Overcard, Two Overcards, No Flush Draw, No Straight Draw
Hole Cards = Select all with the exception of pocket pairs


Hope everyone is training and working to improve their game.
 
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Hey everyone.... sorry I haven't been active on here the past week. Super busy with Leak Buster 4 release and fighting off a plague (or just common cold).

I have lots to share, so I'll try and catch up on what's happening, and get to work on the 4-betting section so we can finish off polished poker and talk about some poker leaks and the upcoming volume 2 as well.

Hope everyone is crushing.
 
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Hope you feel better soon, John!

Obviously, I'm really looking forward to diving into everything you have planned for the community. Leak Buster 4 sounds very intriguing --- can't wait to see what you guys are going to roll out.
 
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Sneaky Feet said:
John if you have a moment I would like to ask you about this hand. In your book on I believe page 53 you talk about having a calling range and from how I understand it K10 is one of the hands that would be in that range. Am I reading your graph correctly?

For this hand preflop I was willing to bet 3bb. I was in the cut off and MP2 decided to raise to 3bb so I called. How could I have played this hand differently? I posted this same hand in brags and beats because I was pretty happy about it but now I'm not so sure. Currently I'm working on opening my range from what I would consider TAG. 2 weeks ago I wouldn't have even played this hand period. Thoughts?

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PokerStars Hand #111252944973: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2014/02/03 20:50:15 PT [2014/02/03 23:50:15 ET]
Table 'Leda VI' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: vazquezornel ($5.23 in chips)
Seat 2: eiphoria ($2.10 in chips)
Seat 4: DaPringler84 ($4.95 in chips)
Seat 5: hrumx ($0.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Evgeniy931 ($2.60 in chips)
Seat 7: Sneaky Feet ($1.73 in chips)
Seat 8: skerdser ($1.54 in chips)
Seat 9: elcheradikal ($1.48 in chips)
elcheradikal: posts small blind $0.01
vazquezornel: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sneaky Feet [Kc Td]
eiphoria: folds
DaPringler84: folds
hrumx: folds
Evgeniy931: raises $0.04 to $0.06
Sneaky Feet: calls $0.06
skerdser: folds
elcheradikal: folds
vazquezornel: folds
*** FLOP *** [6h Qd Jc]
Evgeniy931: bets $0.08
Sneaky Feet: calls $0.08
*** TURN *** [6h Qd Jc] 7♣
Evgeniy931: bets $0.18
.SKRAP.0 leaves the table
Sneaky Feet: calls $0.18
*** RIVER *** [6h Qd Jc 7c] A♣
Evgeniy931: bets $0.36
Sneaky Feet: raises $1.05 to $1.41 and is all-in
Evgeniy931: calls $1.05
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sneaky Feet: shows [Kc Td] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Evgeniy931: shows [7h 7s] (three of a kind, Sevens)
Sneaky Feet collected $3.37 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.49 | Rake $0.12
Board [6h Qd Jc 7c Ac]
Seat 1: vazquezornel (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: eiphoria folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DaPringler84 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: hrumx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Evgeniy931 showed [7h 7s] and lost with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 7: Sneaky Feet showed [Kc Td] and won ($3.37) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 8: skerdser (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: elcheradikal (small blind) folded before Flop


Thanks.
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It's kind of hard to read this since it's not converted. The page you're referring to is talking about flatting ranges in the blinds. Unless I'm reading the hand incorrectly, it looks like you're in position and not in the blinds.

Any ways, as played, you should raise the flop. There's a ton of hands you can fold out, and you have position which will apply max pressure to your opponent. Also at these stakes, a lot of players will typically just call even if they have a hand like a J or Q, so it will give you more options on what you want to do on the turn at a cheaper price. :)
 
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sidgucci said:
Hope you feel better soon, John!

Obviously, I'm really looking forward to diving into everything you have planned for the community. Leak Buster 4 sounds very intriguing --- can't wait to see what you guys are going to roll out.
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Ty... already shook the cold yesterday. :) If you have HM2 and you're interested in being part of beta testing, just PM me with your e-mail and I can send you the LB 4 beta team details.
 
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John A said:
Ty... already shook the cold yesterday. :) If you have HM2 and you're interested in being part of beta testing, just PM me with your e-mail and I can send you the LB 4 beta team details.
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John
What are the benefits to the user of helping with beta testing?
 
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John A said:
It's kind of hard to read this since it's not converted. The page you're referring to is talking about flatting ranges in the blinds. Unless I'm reading the hand incorrectly, it looks like you're in position and not in the blinds.

Any ways, as played, you should raise the flop. There's a ton of hands you can fold out, and you have position which will apply max pressure to your opponent. Also at these stakes, a lot of players will typically just call even if they have a hand like a J or Q, so it will give you more options on what you want to do on the turn at a cheaper price. :)
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Awesome thanks John. In future I'll definitely raise in similar circumstances. The grid that is on page 52 (sorry acrobat calls it page 53), is that specific to the blinds as a calling range?


**EDIT**. Please disregard the question. I re-read the section and understand what you're saying. Thanks for your patience.
 
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Figaroo2 said:
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What are the benefits to the user of helping with beta testing?
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They get the benefit of using a new product before it's released. Some people enjoy trying all of the new things before it's publicly released. Some people just like helping. We usually get a lot of requests.

Leak Buster 4 has a ton of new stuff, so it's fun to play around with.
 
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Sneaky Feet said:
Awesome thanks John. In future I'll definitely raise in similar circumstances. The grid that is on page 52 (sorry acrobat calls it page 53), is that specific to the blinds as a calling range?


**EDIT**. Please disregard the question. I re-read the section and understand what you're saying. Thanks for your patience.
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Hehe... no problem. Just play these spots a little more aggressively and you'll find better success. The combination of equity + position here will yield higher EV if you raise then if you just call/call and play hit or fold poker.
 
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Chapter 8: 4-betting

I want to start with the 4-bet bluffing range on page 87. As I say in the book, I'm not a big fan of 4-betting with suited connectors, but in some spots, just about any two will be ok. There's some recommended hands there that have showdown value in case you're called. In most cases at micro and small stakes in particular, your opponents will fold or jam. In some better small stakes games and into mid, you're going to get some calls. So this range is a good one to practice with in general.

A lot of the games at 100nl for example, play like 600nl+ a few years ago. You're going to want to have a solid 4-bet strategy to maximize value at the table.
 
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