*****Vinyl's GonnaCrushDAmicros 6max thread******

[Figaroo2]

Great results buddy. Yes it is difficult to show green in the blinds so you are clearly playing well in the blinds.
Your positional stats do give away though that you don't pay much heed to position. You are opening 20% ish from every position.
This means you could be winning even more if you made a few positional adjustments (that's polite for you've got leaks here Bro but as you are crushing we are only talking of adding a few extra bb here and there.)
So you should play many more hands from the button. I'm tighter than you but I'm playing close to 40% of my button hands at 6max. It doesn't look like you are stealing enough from the button. Conversely cut down the speculative hands in EP and SB a bit more so we are focused on tighter when we are going to be oop and looser in position.
Aggression figures are bordering on a little high, it's like you are forcing folds and as a result your wtsd is a little low at 21. When you are getting to showdown your w$sd% is under 50%. Ideally we want it over 50. This is indicative to me that your aggressive play early in the hands means your opponents hands are that little bit better than normal when they get to showdown. It's a balancing act of sometimes keeping in your opponents weaker ranges as opposed to pushing them out.
Great to see you doing well I'm not sure I'd want to take you on when you're on your A game.

 

[vinylspiros]

You're probably playing well but just realize you're running insanely hot even if it's not reflected in the ev and try to remember this when you run bad.

Will do man. Wanna get this sample size to like 20-25K and see what it looks like then. If i go on a downswing of enormous proportions, im gonna try to keep my cool and just do what im doing. I feel like if i can maintain mental stability and remain focused that i can keep this up. But Variance will do its thing either way. lets see what happens.

Great results buddy. Yes it is difficult to show green in the blinds so you are clearly playing well in the blinds.
Your positional stats do give away though that you don't pay much heed to position. You are opening 20% ish from every position.
This means you could be winning even more if you made a few positional adjustments (that's polite for you've got leaks here Bro but as you are crushing we are only talking of adding a few extra bb here and there.)
So you should play many more hands from the button. I'm tighter than you but I'm playing close to 40% of my button hands at 6max. It doesn't look like you are stealing enough from the button. Conversely cut down the speculative hands in EP and SB a bit more so we are focused on tighter when we are going to be oop and looser in position.
Aggression figures are bordering on a little high, it's like you are forcing folds and as a result your wtsd is a little low at 21. When you are getting to showdown your w$sd% is under 50%. Ideally we want it over 50. This is indicative to me that your aggressive play early in the hands means your opponents hands are that little bit better than normal when they get to showdown. It's a balancing act of sometimes keeping in your opponents weaker ranges as opposed to pushing them out.
Great to see you doing well I'm not sure I'd want to take you on when you're on your A game.

It's zoom so sometimes i dont even wait for the action to come to me when im on the button which is probably why my button VPIP is so low. gonna try to not fast fold in each hand and see how the action go's before acting.


The thing is this. I play all my hands aggressively. Either ihave it or i dont. The point i make here is not to go overboard. I let go of hands when its clear that im beat. Since i take an aggressive attitude betting big most of the time, If someone go's over the top, i know they are talking business. Its easier to make reads when your beting heavily and someone has something. If your making 50% bets,firstly your losing value and secondly you dont know if a reraise is the real deal or a strong draw. when your potting each street, yea you lose a lot of value when you have it because your getting more folds than calls, but at the same time your getting a ton of value from their draws and worst hands and at the same time forcing them to make mistakes. Key here is if the board is very dry and your meeting resistance, to not be afraid to let go. It's pretty simple really.

It could sound like mumbo jumbo but ive found it really works. Definitely going to be focusing on positional awareness as it might help increase the bb/100.

Thanks for replying guys.


Will keep up the grind and keep u guys updated and also gonna be posting for motivation obviously.



Another thing ive noticed is that when you have it and pot flop and someone calls(assuming we are out of position), and then if you check turn,its almost a thousand percent sure that their gonna bite and barrel. Not always but i like checking to induce esp when ive potted an ace high flop while holding AK and then check turn,its like standard that their gonna turn all medium PP into bluffs.


Just some thoughts.

 

[vinylspiros]

Example. that just played out ,of aggression and its merits. Was thinking of figs advice of not openning enough buttons and this is where the rungood hack was talking about came into play.


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Hero (Button) ($10)
SB ($8.94)
BB ($9.23)
UTG ($11.09)
MP ($11.13)
CO ($13.41)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9

, 4

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.75) 5

, 5

, 4

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.56, BB calls $0.56

Turn: ($1.87) K

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.39, BB calls $1.39

River: ($4.65) 5

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $4.65 | Rake: $0.21

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero had 9

, 4

(full house, fives over fours).
BB had A

, 10

(three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: Hero won $4.44

 

[duggs]

Seems like a good fold, though I'm not following how we know he is a fish.

his line, and bronze star requires laughably low volume to maintain, especially for being on a zoom 10nl table.

 

[Figaroo2]

Yeah checking the turn oop to induce is fine. You still want to tailor the decision to do that to the player.
Check to aggressive players but keep firing on the bad calling station passive types who are chasing draws or will call to the end with top pair bad kicker.

 

[vinylspiros]

In the 94 hand villain is running 33/8. This means he sucks.

Anyways. thought process behind the play:

I open button for 3.5X which is considered a pretty big raise. I dont have many hands on the guy so i have no clue where hes at. I figure if he has AK or something descent,that i would have heard about it pre with a 3bet so im putiing him mostly on suited connectors 2 broadways or mostly medium pocket pairs.


This flop is great for a c-bet esp with the flush draw in play and since i have a piece of the pie.His flat isnt too alarming although im not loving it.

Now when the K hits the turn it looks like a great card for me to continue my line with. the thing is his call at this point im not liking one bit.

But theres still a chance that he could have just picked up his flush draw so im continuing to fire since im last to act in the hand and my decision is really easy on the river. Now if that awkward river card didnt come up im still checking or folding all rivers to any bet.


Luckily he didnt have it and didnt get there.


My line in this hand is standard right? I mean alot of people are gonna be checking this turn cause the FD got there and the K is scarry but i just go for the bet cause now i can rep the king and the FD, and if he has it, i can always live to die another day. (that or hit a miracle 4 on the river and get stacked to A5off.lol)

 

[vinylspiros]

Aggression over holdings.


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($18.74)
SB ($31.21)
Hero (BB) ($10)
UTG ($12.55)
MP ($11.94)
CO ($11.92)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8

, 6

4 folds, SB raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, SB calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) 5

, 9

, 5

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.49, SB calls $1.49

Turn: ($4.78) 3

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.23, SB calls $2.23

River: ($9.24) K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.38 (All-In), 1 fold If he leads this river im folding. If this particular river doesnt hit im giving up.
Total pot: $9.24 | Rake: $0.42

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero didn't show 8

, 6

(one pair, fives).

 

[Figaroo2]

Lol opening more buttons doesn't include 94os
!!! You still need a playable hand if you get called! !
As played I'm not sure about the check behind on the end. If we bet 2/3 pot we might be able to take him off that bunch of middle pairs you put him on that still beat us. Depends on his wtsd but as it's zoom presumably we don't know.I don't know maybe 77 88/similar is looking you up here.

 

[vinylspiros]

Lol opening more buttons doesn't include 94os
!!! You still need a playable hand if you get called! !
As played I'm not sure about the check behind on the end. If we bet 2/3 pot we might be able to take him off that bunch of middle pairs you put him on that still beat us. Depends on his wtsd but as it's zoom presumably we don't know.I don't know maybe 77 88/similar is looking you up here.

I just feel like he doesnt believe us by river and he has alot of combos that beat us ,esp after he calls turn so i dont feel good investing anything more into this particular pot,but i get your point.


And on a side note, heres a hand that just played out and is related to checking the turn after firing flop line with TPTP that i mentioned earlier.

They always barrel when u check turn.



PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

Button ($8.45)
SB ($10.05)
BB ($6.47)
UTG ($13.38)
Hero (MP) ($10.05)
CO ($13.85)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A

, Q

UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.05) Q

, 6

, 5

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.87, UTG calls $0.87

Turn: ($2.79) 9

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks (if i bet turn here,im almost never getting any money from anyone or anything that i beat)

River: ($2.79) 8

(2 players)
UTG bets $1.33, Hero calls $1.33

Total pot: $5.45 | Rake: $0.25

Results below:

Spoiler

UTG had 3

, 3

(one pair, threes).
Hero had A

, Q

(one pair, Queens).
Outcome: Hero won $5.20

 

[Figaroo2]

2 good streets.
Although the board is quite wet there mate. flush and low straight draws, not overly keen on giving a free card there. If you open their bluffing range there you still need to call most of the scare cards. If a diamond comes and he over bets we are in a tough spot.

 

[vinylspiros]

2 good streets.
Although the board is quite wet there mate. flush and low straight draws, not overly keen on giving a free card there. If you open their bluffing range there you still need to call most of the scare cards. If a diamond comes and he over bets we are in a tough spot.

sure thing, but most of the time i think in this situation he doesnt have the FD. Of course you are right and i mix it up alot but for the most part a check is required on the turn in order to get some extra change on the river from his bluffs. if he doesnt bet it himself and tries to get to a cheap showdown,i might just give him a 33% price that is getting calls from almost anything hes holding.

 

[vinylspiros]

here im repping the board. Reason i donk into two is that they most probably havent connected with this and when u bet into two on this board its pretty creepy for them.


just posting some of the funner hands here .


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

Button ($11.84)
SB ($11.74)
Hero (BB) ($10.90)
UTG ($11.34)
MP ($3.11)
CO ($60.53)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5

, A

UTG raises to $0.30, 1 fold, CO calls $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95) 6

, 4

, 6

(3 players)
Hero bets $0.79, 1 fold, CO calls $0.79

Turn: ($2.53) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($4.53) 4

(2 players)
Hero bets $4, 1 fold

Total pot: $4.53 | Rake: $0.20

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero didn't show 5

, A

(two pair, sixes and fours).

 

[vinylspiros]

Just posting some of the more interesting spots. trying to not go overboard here but getting so many folds from players who are playing way too ABC and i feel like it can be exploited easily . at least at 10NL it can. The question is for how long.


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

Button ($5.89)
SB ($10.15)
BB ($10)
UTG ($19.73)
MP ($11.09)
Hero (CO) ($10.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8

, 7

UTG raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, Button calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.35) 5

, J

, 2

(4 players)
UTG bets $0.80, MP calls $0.80, Hero calls $0.80, 1 fold

Turn: ($3.75) 3

(3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.75) 4

(3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $4, 2 folds board got so wet that i doubt anyones checking this board with something good. and even if they do have something,is it really good enough to call an overbet here? the overbet gets way more credit 3-way imo.

Total pot: $3.75 | Rake: $0.17

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero didn't show 8

, 7

(high card, Jack).

 

[vinylspiros]

sweet jezus i love you.

just played a one hour session and this is what it looks like.

strictly 10NL.

​

 

[vinylspiros]

some super sicko hands here.



this one's a reg. hoping he has AK and thats why i lead here.

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($13.85)
SB ($13.99)
BB ($12.84)
UTG ($10.40)
Hero (MP) ($17.83)
CO ($9.99)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9

, 9

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.35, CO raises to $1.10, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.35) 4

, J

, 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.94, CO calls $1.94

Turn: ($6.23) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.80, Hero raises to $14.79 (All-In), CO calls $4.15 (All-In)

River: ($20.13) J

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $20.13 | Rake: $0.91

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero had 9

, 9

(two pair, Jacks and nines).
CO had K

, A

(two pair, Jacks and fours).
Outcome: Hero won $19.22

and this one's running 43/29 very few hands on him

got super lucky on the river.


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PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/

Hero (Button) ($11.62)
SB ($10.41)
BB ($11.51)
UTG ($54.63)
MP ($11.19)
CO ($10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q

, K

UTG raises to $0.35, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.20, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.85

Flop: ($2.55) 5

, 9

, 6

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.12, UTG calls $2.12

Turn: ($6.79) 2

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($6.79) K

(2 players)
UTG bets $3.24, Hero calls $3.24

Total pot: $13.27 | Rake: $0.60

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero had Q

, K

(one pair, Kings).
UTG had Q

, A

(high card, Ace).
Outcome: Hero won $12.67

 

[akaRobbo]

Sorry but 99 is absolutely gross.

 

[vinylspiros]

Sorry but 99 is absolutely gross.

its even worse than gross man. its disgusting. Thats why i posted it. Cause it worked out.

The other 255 times that i followed that same line ,i didnt post for obvious reasons.lol

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Not to try to put a damper on the hot run here, but your sample in the blind is even less meaningful than the overall sample. Don't read too much into "how hard is it to make XYZ from position ABC." Just try to play solid and the rest will come. 1k hands isn't entirely meaningless online, but it's very very close to being just variance. That being said, odds are that you're playing well to go on a tear like this even when running hot, so keep on keeping on and let the sample come to you.

Onto the hands. Have to agree the 99 is pretty horrific. We get it in against like 2-3 combos we're not even that far ahead of, and the rest (almost certainly 20+ combos) have us drawing to 2 outs.

For the KQ one, yes, you got lucky, but the play in the hand is pretty standard. One could make a case for checking back the flop when we flop so little equity on a board that hits a loose preflop range, but tbh because his range is SO wide I'm usually still just betting with two overs. Turn seems like a mandatory check back when the board doesn't change, and then we get there and his bet doesn't make a ton of sense as a medium strength value hand, so we definitely have to call but I see no point in raising. Conceptually it's a polarizing bet. So NH imo.

 

[Matt Vaughan]

87cc just bet turn? UTG appears to be giving up, and it's hard for MP to have much of anything when he doesn't bet turn after UTG checks OOP. I'd be betting once expecting UTG to fold close to 100%. If MP calls I'm firing a lot of blank rivers to get him off of sticky PP's.

A5hh, I don't like your line much. Cbetting is fine - it's great texture to do so. X/c the turn seems kind of weird unless you were already planning to lead river, but if that was the plan I'd much rather just x/r turn if the whole point was to let him bluff. He's usually drawing to 6 live outs so there's nothing wrong with taking it down now. Also why are we bombing the river? There's just no reason to bet so large imo - get the same job done for a much smaller bet.

 

[vinylspiros]

87cc just bet turn? UTG appears to be giving up, and it's hard for MP to have much of anything when he doesn't bet turn after UTG checks OOP. I'd be betting once expecting UTG to fold close to 100%. If MP calls I'm firing a lot of blank rivers to get him off of sticky PP's.

A5hh, I don't like your line much. Cbetting is fine - it's great texture to do so. X/c the turn seems kind of weird unless you were already planning to lead river, but if that was the plan I'd much rather just x/r turn if the whole point was to let him bluff. He's usually drawing to 6 live outs so there's nothing wrong with taking it down now. Also why are we bombing the river? There's just no reason to bet so large imo - get the same job done for a much smaller bet.

In the 78 hand, i cant bomb turn cause theres 2 players and the board is uber wet. Gonna definitely get at least a call and i dont wanna be left in a wierd spot on the river . If it was 1 player and a different board texture i would fire turn but cant do it when theres a bet and call on the flop on such a wet board. It doesnt feel like i can get 2 folds in this spot so i just decide to see the free river and act accordingly in position.


^^^^ In the A5 hand if i have the 6 im never check raising the turn cause it looks too weak/bluffy
.
Im trying to pull the "i have a 6 and am not scarred of anything or spiked another 4 on the river line".

Made the bet so big to look like im trying to get paid by a jack. Its impossible for him to call here unless he has Kings,aces, queens etc,and even then with my sizing and the line i took, im sure alot of players will find a fold to my sizing.



On a side note thanks for replying and giving feedback on the hands.


The sample size i have now since playing strictly 10NL since Thursday is 8400 hands and im doing really well. Gonna post a new graph with my overall progress.

These bizarre lines im taking are paying off well. Don't know how many hands i need to get in to know if its just an upswing, variance related, but ill stick with it and see how it goes.

the 28bb/100 over 8.5 k hands is really cool though. hope i can maintain it over 50k hands to break some kind of world record or something.lol


For the meantime,im really happy cause the results are very promising.

 

[akaRobbo]

Nice graph lol 🙂

be ready for run bad though, don't tilt off this heater when you start hitting variance

 

[vinylspiros]

Nice graph lol 🙂

be ready for run bad though, don't tilt off this heater when you start hitting variance

thanks man. will try to remain composed. todays been a bit bumpy . was down 4 buy ins,won two back and am still down 20 for the day but i got a lot of hands to put in till tonight so lets see how it goes.

 

[vinylspiros]

check river sizing

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($12.07)
SB ($14.71)
Hero (BB) ($34.82)
UTG ($8.72)
MP ($11.38)
CO ($14.18)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10

, 9

3 folds, Button calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.25) 3

, 4

, J

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($0.25) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.24, Button calls $0.24

River: ($0.73) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $5.95, Button calls $5.95

Total pot: $12.63 | Rake: $0.57

Results below:

Spoiler

Button didn't show
Hero had 10

, 9

(straight, Queen high).
Outcome: Hero won $12.06

 

[vinylspiros]

LUCKBOX ALERT.( life is good right now)

Not even god could have set this hand up to be such a cooler for the dude.

It's impossible for him to think hes beat here with the preflop action and all.


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

Button ($6.07)
SB ($30.09)
BB ($16.05)
UTG ($10)
MP ($16.22)
Hero (CO) ($22.72)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8

, 7

UTG raises to $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.90, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.65

Flop: ($1.95) 10

, 2

, 9

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.45, UTG calls $1.45

Turn: ($4.85) 6

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.40, UTG raises to $5.26, Hero raises to $20.37 (All-In), UTG calls $2.39 (All-In)

River: ($20.15) 4

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $20.15 | Rake: $0.91

Results below:

Spoiler

UTG had 10

, 10

(three of a kind, tens).
Hero had 8

, 7

(straight, ten high).
Outcome: Hero won $19.24

he has 10-10

 

[Jessejones]

I was never any good at cash game maybe I should give this a read