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[vinylspiros]

And here are 2 very difficult spots versus "BAD AGGRO" type villains that i dont have too many hands on.

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

Button ($6.85)
SB ($8.52)
BB ($10.10)
UTG ($10.98)
Hero (MP) ($13.28)
CO ($14.53)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K

, Q

UTG raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20, 1 fold, SB calls $0.15, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.90) 10

, A

, 4

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.90) J

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.40, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.10

River: ($3.70) 6

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.95, UTG raises to $3.90, Hero ?





PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($11.92)
SB ($20.67)
BB ($23.56)
UTG ($31.91)
Hero (MP) ($11.38)
CO ($10.42)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J

, J

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Button raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.15) 5

, 8

, 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.55) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3, Hero?

 

[Jblocher1]

And here are 2 very difficult spots versus "BAD AGGRO" type villains that i dont have too many hands on.

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

Button ($6.85)
SB ($8.52)
BB ($10.10)
UTG ($10.98)
Hero (MP) ($13.28)
CO ($14.53)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K

, Q

UTG raises to $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20, 1 fold, SB calls $0.15, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.90) 10

, A

, 4

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.90) J

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1.40, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.10

River: ($3.70) 6

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.95, UTG raises to $3.90, Hero ?





PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($11.92)
SB ($20.67)
BB ($23.56)
UTG ($31.91)
Hero (MP) ($11.38)
CO ($10.42)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J

, J

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Button raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.15) 5

, 8

, 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.55) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $3, Hero?

Hand one is pretty much always a really poorly played flush on the river. That min raise just gives it away. So I'm probably unhappily folding only to wonder if the dude actually had it.

Hand two... The dude is on the button and can absolutely 3 bet IP with worse than JJ. So IMO 4 bet and fold to five bet pre. Absolutely lead out on flop and as played fold turn. What does x/c'ing flop accomplish. Ok... Dude fires his whole range when checked to, his range is quite wide. By calling, his range Is the same and we are unable to polarize it down at all. Basically every hand that was in his pre flop range is in his range going to this turn.

So b/f flop fo sure

 

[vinylspiros]

Hand one is pretty much always a really poorly played flush on the river. That min raise just gives it away. So I'm probably unhappily folding only to wonder if the dude actually had it.

Hand two... The dude is on the button and can absolutely 3 bet IP with worse than JJ. So IMO 4 bet and fold to five bet pre. Absolutely lead out on flop and as played fold turn. What does x/c'ing flop accomplish. Ok... Dude fires his whole range when checked to, his range is quite wide. By calling, his range Is the same and we are unable to polarize it down at all. Basically every hand that was in his pre flop range is in his range going to this turn.

So b/f flop fo sure

thnks alot man. good advice. esp on the second hand. I figured most people shut down with air when you call that first big bet on flop (esp on such a dry board). when they go so big on turn, i usually think they are full of SHIIITT, but the bet is so big, i can't be bothered to pay my entire stack to find out how serious he is ,so i just go ahead and fold. I likeB/F better now after reading your comment. thnks alot.

I folded both hands obviously.

 

[vinylspiros]

Anyways, i think im not gonna be doing any more posting for the day.

Tonights sessions had potential but drained me after being practically breakeven after 1600 ish hands so i think im gonna call it a night. I'm on the verge of not being on my A-game due to not seeing any results. Guess its gonna be a breakeven night. Oh, well. Worse shit happens.

Enjoy.

 

[duggs]

77 call, never raising. would fold before i raise
A7s pre is a bit meh but its ok, flop is fine, turn i prob raise a bit less than pot since we can get stacks in comfortably
AJ not minraising flop, if he is bluffing just call.
98s i probe rather overcall but seems ok.
KQ is yucky but i prob just call, any bigger and i fold
JJ stats are relevant, if he is bluffy/punty call down, if he only 3bets QQ+ AK fold pre, if he doesn't cbet much fold flop etc etc etc you get the idea

 

[duggs]

not a fan of 4bet/folding JJ, it has little blocker and doesn't play well when 4bet is called, its also a shit ton of equity to be folding if they ever 5bet worse. we want to keep their range wide, not narrow it to the nuts.

 

[LD1977]

OMG breakeven session??? The horror 🙄

 

[Jblocher1]

not a fan of 4bet/folding JJ, it has little blocker and doesn't play well when 4bet is called, its also a shit ton of equity to be folding if they ever 5bet worse. we want to keep their range wide, not narrow it to the nuts.

How often is a crummy player 5 betting worse than JJ if not a huge whale?

 

[vinylspiros]

77 call, never raising. would fold before i raise
A7s pre is a bit meh but its ok, flop is fine, turn i prob raise a bit less than pot since we can get stacks in comfortably
AJ not minraising flop, if he is bluffing just call.
98s i probe rather overcall but seems ok.
KQ is yucky but i prob just call, any bigger and i fold
JJ stats are relevant, if he is bluffy/punty call down, if he only 3bets QQ+ AK fold pre, if he doesn't cbet much fold flop etc etc etc you get the idea

not a fan of 4bet/folding JJ, it has little blocker and doesn't play well when 4bet is called, its also a shit ton of equity to be folding if they ever 5bet worse. we want to keep their range wide, not narrow it to the nuts.

Thnaks Duggs, just went through them and looked at your post and was very insightful .

I almost never EVER 4bet JJ. It's good for setmining and bluffcatching IMO.

 

[vinylspiros]

OMG breakeven session??? The horror 🙄

HAHAHAHAH, hey man. i used to party with breakeven sessions. But now that im balling,it kinda hurts. LOLOL

Good news: Im like 200 Vpp's from unlocking my 50$ bonus on stars so roll will be at around 250 ish. started from 90$,12 days ago. AHHH SHIITTTTTTT.

+ im unlocking 1000 FPP's 10$ bonuses like its running out of style.😛😛😛😛😛

RUNGOOD BEBE..

 

[Jblocher1]

Thnaks Duggs, just went through them and looked at your post and was very insightful .

I almost never EVER 4bet JJ. It's good for setmining and bluffcatching IMO.

Now that I think about it.... I almost never 4 bet JJ either lol. 😉

 

[vinylspiros]

Hillarious stuff really.

I decide to throw in another mini session and right off the bat i lose a buy in, this leads me to spew like crazy and now im down 5 buy ins total in like 250 hands.

I decide to shake off the tilt and pull my self together. What a graph!!lol

Im officially 10NL'ing at this point. Talk about another breakeven session.

 

[duggs]

How often is a crummy player 5 betting worse than JJ if not a huge whale?

exactly, which is why 4betting is a bad decision. calling the 3bet v someone with a heavy 3betting range (read aggro) but a tight 4betting range means we should 4bet for value tightly, flat more value hands, and 4bet more bluffs. JJ falls squarely into the 2nd category.

 

[Jblocher1]

exactly, which is why 4betting is a bad decision. calling the 3bet v someone with a heavy 3betting range (read aggro) but a tight 4betting range means we should 4bet for value tightly, flat more value hands, and 4bet more bluffs. JJ falls squarely into the 2nd category.

Makes sense, thanks

 

[vinylspiros]

NO COMMENT. LOOK WHAT IM UP AGAINST. LOOK AT WHAT THEY SHOWDOWN WITH AND HOW THEY PLAYED IT.

THIS MIGHT BE BINGO AFTER ALL.


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php

Button ($16.83)
SB ($9.80)
BB ($5)
UTG ($4.90)
Hero (MP) ($11.90)
CO ($10)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 10

, J

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.25, 2 folds, SB calls $0.20, BB calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.75) K

, 9

, 8

(3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70, 1 fold

Turn: ($2.15) 4

(2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero raises to $4, BB calls $2

River: ($10.15) Q

(2 players)
BB bets $0.05 (All-In), Hero calls $0.05

Total pot: $10.25 | Rake: $0.46

Results below:

Spoiler

BB had 4

, 3

(one pair, fours).
Hero had 10

, J

(straight, King high).
Outcome: Hero won $9.79

THIS ONE TILTED ME VERY BAD FOR SOME REASON.


PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Button ($10.30)
SB ($10.07)
BB ($17.26)
Hero (UTG) ($12.05)
MP ($9.53)
CO ($13.82)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A

, Q

Hero raises to $0.25, 2 folds, Button raises to $0.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.15) K

, J

, 10

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

Turn: ($1.15) 6

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.30, Button calls $1.30

River: ($3.75) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $4.20, Button raises to $8.50 (All-In), Hero calls $4.30

Total pot: $20.75 | Rake: $0.93

Results below:

Spoiler

Button had 5

, K

(flush, King high).
Hero had A

, Q

(straight, Ace high).
Outcome: Button won $19.82

Reason i didnt Bet flop was cause this aggrotard 3bet pre so i was going for a standard check raise. UGHHHHHH

 

[LD1977]

I am gonna quote myself here:

They are worse than you can possibly imagine, even worse than normal weekends.

- I just got 3bet from the BB by Q5s which managed to hit the flush 'cause why not 😀
- People are not giving up with any pair.
- They limp 3bet and limp shove, meaning 2NL level players are coming to 25NL en masse.
- My AK just got raised on the flop by A3 (TPWK) since hey, top pair!1!!111!1
- There are people playing 100/6 (!!! not kidding)

+ all the usual fish stuff

That being said, of course I am down 2+ buyins since midnight, hey fish deserve to have a happy Christmas right 🙄

Embrace the variance 😉

 

[vinylspiros]

I am gonna quote myself here:



Embrace the variance 😉

LD, Your awesome BRO. Good to see im not the only one who has to deal with these morons !!!!

I lost 3 buy ins too today but aint no bggie. Thing is, i lost them with Bizarre lines taken from villains. (and they hit too!!))


Hey. I will " EMBRACE THE VARIANCE"

thnks for posting.

 

[duggs]

V whales and odd lines we should just lead our stronger hands since they will never fold value hands and aren't likely to barrel off bluffs, so I lead The flopped broadway pretty large on 3 streets

 

[vinylspiros]

IM GONNA POST THESE TWO HANDS FOR FUTURE REFERENCE ,IN CASE I EVER START WHINING ABOUT TAKING BAD BEATS.

IN A NUTSHELL. ITS BETTER TO BE LUCKY THAN GOOD. VARIANCE........

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

Button ($43.84)
SB ($21.08)
BB ($15.87)
UTG ($13.07)
MP ($3.61)
Hero (CO) ($12.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K

, K

2 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, Button calls $0.35, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.85) 2

, 3

, 10

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.60, Hero raises to $2.10, Button calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.05) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $6.25, Button raises to $41.39 (All-In), Hero calls $4.15 (All-In)

River: ($25.85) K

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $25.85 | Rake: $1.16

Results below:

Spoiler

Button had 3

, 3

(three of a kind, threes).
Hero had K

, K

(three of a kind, Kings).
Outcome: Hero won $24.69

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com

Button ($13.29)
SB ($10)
Hero (BB) ($11.01)
UTG ($10.44)
MP ($10.34)
CO ($5)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, K

4 folds, SB raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.90, SB raises to $2.50, Hero calls $1.60 I call cause i want to keep his bluffs in. He looks kinda aggroish. (im predetermined to go with this hand regardles of what comes.) unless i see an ace.lol

Flop: ($5) Q

, 5

, 10

(2 players)
SB bets $1.90, Hero raises to $8.51 (All-In), SB calls $5.60 (All-In)

Turn: ($20) K

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($20) A

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $20 | Rake: $0.90

Results below:

Spoiler

SB had Q

, Q

(three of a kind, Queens).
Hero had K

, K

(three of a kind, Kings).
Outcome: Hero won $19.10

 

[vinylspiros]

V whales and odd lines we should just lead our stronger hands since they will never fold value hands and aren't likely to barrel off bluffs, so I lead The flopped broadway pretty large on 3 streets

true that duggs. I just love the old check raise flop move. Fish dont really know how to react to this when they are weak so alot of the time, they tend to make EGO calls. and lose cause their commited by turn.

 

[vinylspiros]

Im gonna need some help with this one.

Ive incorporated overbetting into my game plan. Instead of standard Cbetting, i Cbet (overbet) X amount of the time,but its not clear to me when i do it and why. All i know is that when they call,we have huge pots that are good candidates for all inners on the turn.

Is this good when we have a nutted hand or when we are bluffing?

Any one have any tips with overbetting? and when its best used and why?

EDIT: reason im asking is so that i can kinda put it in perspective.

 

[duggs]

you should only do it if you have a good reason for doing it, it changes the maths on your optimal bluffing freq so gets more value from your value hands but bluffs are more expensive. probably unnecessary tbh

 

[vinylspiros]

you should only do it if you have a good reason for doing it, it changes the maths on your optimal bluffing freq so gets more value from your value hands but bluffs are more expensive. probably unnecessary tbh

I hear you duggs. thnks alot man. I'll try and forget about it.

 

[vinylspiros]

So like yea, I've officially moved to 10NL( for like 2-3 days now). All i can say is that although im playing crappy and running below EV,im still winning. I guess im getting lucky or something.

take alook at this chaotic graph. I'm all over the place. Call it variance. Call it "me getting used to the new limit". Whatever it is i got to get this on track before the train crashes.

Got in like 8K hands so far and am up,so that is very pleasant. Hope i can manage to make this graph move in one direction.

HANDS BETWEEN 3500-and 4500 are PURE TILT. Im talking about 4bet shoving 88 cause im mad.


My agg of 1.75 is very concerning. I think i might be on the passive side and i dont think that is good.

 

[LD1977]

Actually from the graph it seems you run above EV and not below. The orange line is the "real" result when EV adjusted.

But this is still very close to breakeven so I think it is a good result when entering a new level, just be aware that EV tends to converge long term so make sure you are ready for it.