All in Idiots

gomango · Aug 17, 2008

We all know that when a player goes all in he thinks it is to his advantage. So when a player goes all in 6 times in a row it is to his advantage. I would of called with AK suited but if it was in The main event I would think twice and maybe fold. I think he had an edge on you and took you out of your betting conditions. So this is called a donkey he got the better of you. Only thing you can hope for is to play him again so you can redeem yourself and beat him.

moots · Aug 17, 2008

Deadly Silent said:
Nothing pisses be off more than a damn donkey who goes all in on every single hand. I was just beat by a guy who went all in six times in a row and won 5 out of 6 without a single face card. I called his all in With A K suited and lost to his poket 6s. I waited to play in that tournament all night and when a donk comes on there who is not serious about it and does that it drives me nuts. Sites should monitor all in % calls and kick the idiots off who aren't doing anything but pissing people like me off.:thumpdown

Was it a freeroll? If you don't like all ins, you could always play pot limit or limit poker. There's a reason why it's call no limit holdem.

gomango · Aug 17, 2008

Donkeys?

We all know we use all ins to our advantage. So when he went all in six times he thought it was to his advantage and this time aswell. He took you out of your betting scheme so you didn't get to bet your Ak the way you wanted to. So this is considered a donkey. I would of called with Ak suited too ,but if it ws the main event I would of thought twice about it and maybe layed it down. Do you remeber his name. Ifso all you can hope for is to play him again and this time get the better of him insted vis versa. Well put Merlin333

calibanboy · Aug 18, 2008

Merlin333 said:
AK all in is dependent on other circumstances (Stack, level,position,bets on the board, etc) as to whether its a good play or not - AK all in is not an automatic winner There are slight differences between different authors but a prior poster gave information that appears correct to me. From the information you gave, your hand was not statistically superior such that the opposition was, as you put it, "a donk" to make the play. If you are serious, my question is do you know the circumstances AK all in the right play - did you consider this information before you went all in? None of this was in your post - just that you hated allinners went all in with AK and got caught by the fact it didn't improve against pocket 6's. I can think of no better way to chip up early than playing strong hands against players going all in with nothing - those who don't both get lucky and slow down never make it far - they always blow their stack in a bad situation against the player who didn't get mad,waited with a clear head and pounced on them with a good/better hand. Sometimes the real "idiot" is not who you think it is.

When I have a situation that I am unable to restrain myself because I'm so anxious to bust someone who clearly is not playing well or has otherwise gotten under my skin - I blame the person who is the real problem - ME - not them (This unfortunately happens less than it used to but still more than I'd like).

Don't fall into the trap of blaming other things for your loss - that's too easy,that's why a lot of people do it and it will not improve your play. An analysis of what happened and how you could have handled it differently will give you options in the future and clarity about what really happened.

In my case the single biggest improvement in my game came when I stopped looking beyond myself for reasons I've not improved. Read the comments you made to people who quoted you factual information that should help you expand your perspective of what happened, look up the math yourself and factually you will find that you are not correct. Then you have to make up your mind do "I want to improve and learn more or just be able to call people names".

Merlin333

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Explained far better than I....

mange · Aug 18, 2008

All in Maniacs

calibanboy said:
AK Suited is not a great calling hand Preflop. YOU are hoping to improve. you did not. get over it.

I see what you mean. But, some times, you can lay for them and jump at a good moment and double up.

And, like you say, it could put you out of the tourney early.

But, most times the all in maniacs will not last long in the game.

angie

032483 · Aug 18, 2008

You lost a coin flip to an idiot. You'll live to play another day. Soemtimes the donk is rewarded but just remember int he long run they will never learn. Where as you, by paying attention and trying to become a better player will eventually have a higher winning percentage.

TexasPokerStar · Aug 18, 2008

Lucky Donkeys...

I feel your pain... there are a lot of donkeys out there... specially because they don't know how to play... and push all in with anything they get...

Lost a hand... to a 8d 3h... when I was holding a Ad Qh... the guy caught a 3 at the river...

mange · Aug 18, 2008

Blame

It is very painful to blame ones self for a screw up. But, in one does not recognize their mistakes, they will not improve their poker game.

The other day, I played in a tournament and made a real donk call which just about busted me. I went from a big stack to a short stack, and then on tilt. Finally getting busted out.

It was only my fault because I was not paying attention to the other players, only watching my cards. I know better, but just made a royal screw up. I have beat my self up for that.

But, I blame nothing or no one but my self for the poor poker playing.

Hope to do better next time since I know the mistakes I make and will make corrections.

angie

iamays · Aug 19, 2008

But what would online poker be without a bunch of dumb donkeys going all in all the time? If everyone played super tight then there wouldn't be all of this fun money floating around!

pokerjoker1 · Aug 19, 2008

There will be always a donk. I get everytime a player for AA or something like this. But because of this donks i lost a lot of money cashgame.

dj11 · Aug 19, 2008

Once the cards are dealt, it is war! The All-in bet is a potent weapon! If it bugs you no-end, and puts you on TILT, then you have to get used to the idea that YOU ARE NOT READY TO PLAY NO-LIMIT!

Plenty of kiddy games just up the street!

This is not to say it is smart poker, but if you can't stand the heat, well, in this case the only way to turn down the heat is to take the chance that you can 'spank' the offender on occasion.

grilldoggy · Aug 19, 2008

don't tilt, but...

bide your time with the all in donkey, look for an opportunity to double up. he won't be there forever, maybe you can help show him the door...

BurlyIves · Aug 19, 2008

Play decent buy ins and that shouldn't happen.

N.D. · Aug 19, 2008

Why are people pretending like it's easy to just lay down A/K? I can lay it down, but it's not easy. First I have to click sit out, then I have to turn off the monitor and leave the room. Then I have to be dealt A/K while I'm away. It's complicated.

But yeah, early on, when being baited like that, just sit out for a time. It's easy to fold what you can't see. I know that A/K's pretty much a pre-flop coin flip even if your opponent has 2/2. The thing of it is, pre-flop percentages frequently change drastically post-flop. It's not unusual for that small to medium pocket pair to get counterfeited.

I vote that the next person who says "play decent buy ins" or "play for real stakes" has to transfer funds to the OP. Seriously, everyone can't afford decent stakes. Still, the game should be a real game and fun. As soon as it's not fun then it's work, and with freerolls it's work with crappy wages.

AUPhoenix · Aug 20, 2008

I have been is several small money and freeroll events where these "all-iners" will go all in until they are taken out. If you see this start happening you have to be very patient until either you or someone else takes the donk out. The trick to it to me is simply realizing that any two cards can win but any two cards can also get you taken out. Early on in any tourney you have to be able to lay down anything less than A-A. Realizing that even if you have A-A and there are several callers in front of you. The odds are good someone will hit the flop hard and your out. On the opposite side of the coin with quality starting hands overall you will be the big winner. Keep your chin up.

P.S. I also hate playing with those type guys.

Phil Helmuth says he can dodge bullets. Maybe we should all remember that from time to time.

chipeverett · Aug 21, 2008

I agree with Phoenix. Just go outside and have a smoke and come back in to see how many of those guys are left. They might have 6000 or 60 chips, but eventually the universe will balance itself and send along a cooler.

earache · Aug 21, 2008

in tournament play, you should sit out for the first few rounds unless you got a monster hand. the hand described was pretty much a coin flip because you have 2 over cards. But you did not hit. If you hit you would have been happy, but seeing your hand go up in flames pissed you off. You cant win them all. I get bad beat alot. Just be carefull in the beginning, keep your cool till all the suckers are getting eliminated.

keekon · Aug 22, 2008

Yeah those guys make me angry to. Especially when they are after you and you call blinds with pretty good hands and they go all in, but your hand is not good enough for an all in bet. Also, when this does happen and you get a good hand it makes you think he is going all in so you usually fold yours.

ArianSilver · Aug 22, 2008

I usually wait two or three levels before going allin, even if I've got wonderful pocket cards. During the first levels, often in freerolls, lots of people try the "all or nothing" theory to double or triple up their stacks. They often win, but if they're not able to play well, even if they have a huge stack they usually don't go far....
If you can pass safely the "madness" time,, you will be able to play in a more regualr way right after.
Bye, Arian

keekon · Aug 22, 2008

I also find on the Ultimatebet freerolls that evry time the tournament starts the very first hand there will always be someone to go all in. Its bad if you have nothing but when you have an awesome hand it looks good unless you get sucked out.

Merlin333 · Aug 22, 2008

Since I'm not Phil Ivey or Alan Cunningham by a long shot, I accept there is much about poker I do not know. I do think that the multitude constantly blogging about "hating" other players,hating poker,hating "donks", "they had this they had that - I had ## and lost" miss the point. At any given time any hand can win, any hand can lose.

Read this thread:

https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/

I have NEVER read or heard anyone who wins games wasting alot of time being sad about having an edge because their skill level is above the opposition's or can't win because "those donks always draw 1 out against my Aces or Kings".

I'll take AA KK (even with the inevitable "bad beats") against 72os any day of the week. What am I missing here?

Merlin333

Hickbilly9 · Aug 22, 2008

Idiots and Donkeys...lol.We couldn't win if we didn't have them.Tired or hearing it everyday.Suck it up and take it.The hand was a coin flip at best,so get over it.Do we need a crying section.......Imao!!!

kidkvno1 · Aug 22, 2008

i know waiting can take you out to, i only call with AA or KK then after that they go down hill.. They get mad that they are not seeing a hand and start jumping all in.....
I like to call them TV players (see tv do tv) you know what i mean!!!!

Merlin333 · Aug 22, 2008

Hickbilly9 said:
Idiots and Donkeys...lol.We couldn't win if we didn't have them.Tired or hearing it everyday.Suck it up and take it.The hand was a coin flip at best,so get over it.Do we need a crying section.......Imao!!!

What Hickbilly9 said.........

M

omen4u · Aug 22, 2008

hummm

All i can say is HEEE HAWWW HEEEE HAWWWW

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