February Fever Poker Chat

Richyl2008 · Feb 20, 2009

Pretty crappy session tonite. Hit one set that lost to a combo draw, in a 3way 300bb pot+ a 150bb misclick after some guy that had $180 at the table open shoves where I called with 47.(I did not win) Got most of it back though towards the end, ended up losing just over abuyin, which im happy about.

Richyl2008 · Feb 20, 2009

I have like 200 hands on this guy and he's a 15/11 that only 3bets 2% of the time. Not sure if he snapped or just got done watching a lite 4betting video

***** Hand History for Game 25143070015 ***** (Poker Stars)
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, February 20, 01:44:32 ET 2009
Table Helewalda V (real money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: caddymix024 ( $37.65 USD )
Seat 2: Tombbmot ( $25.75 USD )
Seat 3: xxTechnoirxx ( $25.00 USD )
Seat 4: igor1261 ( $24.65 USD )
Seat 5: jbmailman ( $71.70 USD )
Seat 6: muck__you123 ( $25.00 USD )
Tombbmot posts small blind [$0.10 USD].
xxTechnoirxx posts big blind [$0.25 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to muck__you123 [ Kh Kc ]
igor1261 folds
jbmailman raises [$0.75 USD]
muck__you123 raises [$3.00 USD]
caddymix024 raises [$8.25 USD]
Tombbmot folds
xxTechnoirxx folds
jbmailman folds
muck__you123 raises [$22.00 USD]
caddymix024 calls [$16.75 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Th, 3h, 6h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8h ]
muck__you123 shows [Kh, Kc ]
muck__you123 wins $48.55 USD from main pot
caddymix024 doesn't show [Ts, 9s ]

Jurn8 · Feb 20, 2009

Anybody else having problems with stars connection or is it just me ?

dsvw56 · Feb 20, 2009

Jurn8 said:
Anybody else having problems with stars connection or is it just me ?

I've been having problems the last week or so. I'm unable to play more than 3 tables at a time which is infuriating so I just haven't played. If I open more than 3 tables my connection times out like every couple of minutes.

Chris_TC · Feb 20, 2009

zachvac said:
Jesus FTP 1knl tables juicy as hell tonight. Lost small pot after small pot as I could never flop a pair against the fish. Had KK > AQ AIPF vs. shortstack but other than that couldn't seem to win a hand. Ah well can't really complain this month. Also played a bit with leatherass.

Are you skipping 3/6 as well? The 3/6 games on Full Tilt might not be cursed, idk about that, but it's probably safer to not even try.

Jurn8 · Feb 20, 2009

How much rakeback in terms of fpps + bonuses will you get in $$$ playing 1 million hands at 100nl roughly?

zachvac · Feb 20, 2009

Chris_TC said:
Are you skipping 3/6 as well? The 3/6 games on Full Tilt might not be cursed, idk about that, but it's probably safer to not even try.

Full Tilt rarely runs any FR games above 2/4. This guy ran 55/22 and TR had him at 8k before the start of the session yesterday (he's at just above 0 now in case that changes in the future). He would bust and leave most tables but some he would buy back in for like $400. There were up to 9-long waiting lists but as soon as he left the table would break in the next few minutes. There were no 3/6 FR games running at all.

S93 · Feb 20, 2009

Pokerstars has a new tourney where the blinds start at 5/5 and stay there but the antes go up each level

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Figured i try it just for kicks but im whondering if this kind of structure doesnt requere a completly difrent aproch?

Here´s a pic of the structure

BelgoSuisse · Feb 20, 2009

sindri_93 said:
Pokerstars has a new tourney where the blinds start at 5/5 and stay there but the antes go up each level.

Figured i try it just for kicks but im whondering if this kind of structure doesnt requere a completly difrent aproch?

Here´s a pic of the structure

First changes that come to mind:

- You are correct to limp with ATC
- You have better fold equity in push/fold mode as the blinds have less money invested in the pot pre-preflop and therefore get offered worse pot odds than usual.
- With high antes, there should be a ton of hands where nobody can really shove preflop, so everyone will limp along and see the flop. Multiway pots with very low stack to pot ratios will be a bloodbath.

S93 · Feb 20, 2009

early level pre-flop raise, belgo? im thinking pot sized since 3-4BB doesnt really discourage any one cause of the odds there geting

switch0723 · Feb 20, 2009

omg just found the greatest bag of doritos ever. Grilled pepper flavour and steak flavour, IN THE SAME BAG

BelgoSuisse · Feb 20, 2009

sindri_93 said:
early level pre-flop raise, belgo? im thinking pot sized since 3-4BB doesnt really discourage any one cause of the odds there geting

Pot sized seems good, yes.

S93 · Feb 20, 2009

Yeah im never playing a tourney like that again.
Half the field(8xx) where gonne after 20min,and by then it was basicly limp or shove pre-flop.

eNTy · Feb 20, 2009

back to back hands vs same fish on same table lol.

Hero (SB): $25 (100 bb)
BB: $5.35 (21.4 bb)
MP1: $4.65 (18.6 bb)
MP2: $39.60 (158.4 bb)
MP3: $20.55 (82.2 bb)
CO: $4.20 (16.8 bb)
BTN: $24.90 (99.6 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with A:club: K:spade:
MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $1.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $4, BB folds, MP2 raises to $6.50, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($13.25) 9:spade: 8:spade: K:club: (2 players)
Hero bets $8, MP2 raises to $16, Hero raises to $18.50 and is all-in, MP2 calls $2.50

Turn: ($50.25) K:heart: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($50.25) 4:spade: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $50.25 pot ($2.45 rake)
Hero showed A:club: K:spade: (three of a kind, Kings) and lost (-$25 net)
MP2 showed 8:diamond: 8:club: (a full house, Eights full of Kings) and won $47.80 ($22.80 net)

Hero (BTN): $25 (100 bb)
SB: $5.10 (20.4 bb)
BB: $5 (20 bb)
UTG+1: $4.65 (18.6 bb)
MP1: $62.40 (249.6 bb)
MP2: $20.55 (82.2 bb)
MP3: $4.20 (16.8 bb)
CO: $24.90 (99.6 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with J:spade: A:heart:
UTG+1 folds, MP1 raises to $0.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.35) A:diamond: J:diamond: K:spade: (2 players)
MP1 bets $4, Hero raises to $11, MP1 calls $7

Turn: ($23.35) 4:spade: (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $13.50 and is all-in, MP1 calls $13.50

River: ($50.35) 4:heart: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $50.35 pot ($2.45 rake)
MP1 showed 6:spade: A:spade: (two pairs, Aces and Fours) and lost (-$25 net)
Hero showed J:spade: A:heart: (two pairs, Aces and Jacks) and won $47.90 ($22.90 net)

Feed the rake !

bw07507 · Feb 20, 2009

Just put in a 200NL 6max session. Ran pretty crappy, but for one of the first times ever I actually felt in control and comfortable playing at 200NL. Really felt I played pretty well with the exception of 1 bad river call maybe. Just boosted my confidence by so much to finally feel comfortable playing at that limit.

BelgoSuisse · Feb 20, 2009

eNTy said:
Feed the rake !

OMG OMG OMG !!!! RIIIIGGGGGGEEEDDDD !!!! WE HAVE PROOF NOW !!!! RIIIIGGGGGEEEEDDDD !!!!

Why don't you shove preflop for the first hand? You enjoy playing AK oop ?

eNTy · Feb 20, 2009

BelgoSuisse said:
OMG OMG OMG !!!! RIIIIGGGGGGEEEDDDD !!!! WE HAVE PROOF NOW !!!! RIIIIGGGGGEEEEDDDD !!!!

Why don't you shove preflop for the first hand? You enjoy playing AK oop ?

I think I'm scared shoving AK preflop.
I guess I can fold on flop when I don't hit and lose lots of monies huh.

Jagsti · Feb 20, 2009

Jurn8 said:
How much rakeback in terms of fpps + bonuses will you get in $$$ playing 1 million hands at 100nl roughly?

Assuming you earn Fpps at an average rate on 0.3vpps/hand (it may be slightly better that this, I believe some ppl avergage upto 0.35) then 1 million hands will net you approx 300k Vpps.

So converted to fpps assuming your SN before you set out, then that 3.5 x 300k which is just over 1million fpps.

1 million fpps = $16k

Milestones bonuses worth $3.4k (300k, and 200k bonuses)

Therefore using my basic assumptions, you should be able to reach a min of $20k in fpps/bonuses playing 1 million hands at 100nl FR. It could be a lot nearer $30k if you avg 0.35/hand.

Chris_TC · Feb 20, 2009

I'll play some 200/400 now to chase losses.

NOOOOOOOOOOOT

eNTy · Feb 20, 2009

[ ] didn't see it coming

ChuckTs · Feb 20, 2009

bw I'm like %99 sure it's a mental block that's holding you back. I had a much lower WR than you did at 100nl and didn't have too much of a problem moving to 200. For whatever reason I didn't have as much of a problem moving up from 100-200 vs the other stake moves I've made.

My point being, don't let your mental block stop you. Keep plugging away; eventually the variance will settle and you'll be able to see with a clear mind just how beatable even the regs are, nevermind the fish.

zachvac · Feb 20, 2009

eNTy said:
I think I'm scared shoving AK preflop.
I guess I can fold on flop when I don't hit and lose lots of monies huh.

If their range is KK+/AK you need to fold AK preflop. If they 3-bet light you should get AK in especially if you call. Basically if they are very tight fold AK. If they're not you pretty much need to be getting it in preflop. If they have KK+/AK and you just flat AK basically you don't win any stacks but you let KK get away cheap when you would have sucked out on him hitting an A, and donate to AA when you flop a K or when KK+ flops a set and you flop the same pair. You also allow another AK to take the pot away or for that matter any other worse hand that 3-bets you and cbets. Filter your HEM to hands where you had AK and you flatted a 3-bet (not sure if you can pick oop). Note breakeven would be your initial raise size. I'm guessing you're losing far more than if you would just fold it preflop.

BelgoSuisse said:
- You have better fold equity in push/fold mode as the blinds have less money invested in the pot pre-preflop and therefore get offered worse pot odds than usual.

I think your other comments are correct, but unless you are saying that this is because of bad villains who think that because they have less money invested they fold more, it's a bit off. It doesn't matter how much of our own money is invested, it matters how much money is in the pot. If I never had to pay blinds, and everyone else put 20% of their stack in preflop, I would have amazing odds to call and would call much lighter than the traditional structure despite having nothing invested.

BelgoSuisse · Feb 20, 2009

zachvac said:
I think your other comments are correct, but unless you are saying that this is because of bad villains who think that because they have less money invested they fold more, it's a bit off. It doesn't matter how much of our own money is invested, it matters how much money is in the pot. If I never had to pay blinds, and everyone else put 20% of their stack in preflop, I would have amazing odds to call and would call much lighter than the traditional structure despite having nothing invested.

What i mean is that if blinds + antes = 3000 and you push 3000 more, with this new structure, BB needs to call 2995 so he's is offered about 2:1 to make the call. In a structure with normal blinds and no antes, BB already has paid 2000 and only needs to add 1000 for the call, and he's offered 6:1 pot odds. So you're fold equity is better with the new structure with regards to the blinds (it's irrelevant vs. the other players)

dg1267 · Feb 20, 2009

Another set of flopped quads. This makes a quintet of quads within two weeks! Is this normal?

zachvac · Feb 20, 2009

Thanks Belgo guess I overlooked that.

And DG at least now we know who the real UB super-user is

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