In the short run there is a lot of luck involved, but to win in the long run takes skill.
No one would be in there playing badly if they couldn't get saved by the deck, but keep playing badly and they will lose eventually.
If everyone played a few hundred thousand hands a year they'd realize having the best hand is no guarantee and that everyone wins and loses their fair share of flips and coolers.
Unfortunately the loudest voices are usually those who played a couple hundred hands, became frustrated with losing, and searched for nefarious reasons to explain the horrible injustice (rigged, bots, cheaters).
Good luck! 😀
No one would be in there playing badly if they couldn't get saved by the deck, but keep playing badly and they will lose eventually.
If everyone played a few hundred thousand hands a year they'd realize having the best hand is no guarantee and that everyone wins and loses their fair share of flips and coolers.
Unfortunately the loudest voices are usually those who played a couple hundred hands, became frustrated with losing, and searched for nefarious reasons to explain the horrible injustice (rigged, bots, cheaters).
Good luck! 😀
We can't avoid luck in any card game. It is there, no matter how we play. Of course, we like to call it variance - this makes it sound more scientific.
But skill permits us to figure out the best way to deal with the luck (variance) that will inevitably happen. To win more when we win than we lose when we lose is the basic formula. Play in high percentage spots, play high percentage cards. All of this is to overcome luck.
So luck happens in 100% of the hands we play (50% good luck, 50% bad luck). Our job is to have enough skill to minimize the damage the 50% of the time that we have bad luck and to maximize the winnings the 50% of the time we have good luck. This requires skill 100% of the time.
While writing this, I ran into quads with my top 2 pair, bad luck for sure. But I only lost 1/3 of my stack - was there some skill here because I didn't lose my entire stack with a fairly decent hand?
Good luck, God bless
But skill permits us to figure out the best way to deal with the luck (variance) that will inevitably happen. To win more when we win than we lose when we lose is the basic formula. Play in high percentage spots, play high percentage cards. All of this is to overcome luck.
So luck happens in 100% of the hands we play (50% good luck, 50% bad luck). Our job is to have enough skill to minimize the damage the 50% of the time that we have bad luck and to maximize the winnings the 50% of the time we have good luck. This requires skill 100% of the time.
While writing this, I ran into quads with my top 2 pair, bad luck for sure. But I only lost 1/3 of my stack - was there some skill here because I didn't lose my entire stack with a fairly decent hand?
Good luck, God bless
UM3SH said:
luck in the short term, skill in the long term.
The smaller a skill gap between 2 players, the more hands it takes for skill to dominate over luck. In another manner of speaking, the bigger the winrate, the less bad luck screws you over.
For example, in a heads up match with a strong player vs a weak player you can dominate them a large proportion of the time in as little as 1000 hands. vs. a nit you can be dominating them in as little as a few hundred hands. But pit 2 world class players against each other and now you need over 50,000 hands to even begin to have an idea about who is the more skilled player, and then there is still a decent chance you would be wrong.
How much luck or skill there is is entirely relative
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90% skill 10% luck Skill prevents you from losing all your chips. Luck is when you need a card and you get it on the river. My most successful strategy is to Never spend more than 1 big blind on a draw. I almost never raise more than that unless I have a bulletproof hand.
Have no idea how anyone could come with a percentage to quantify that statement besides pulling from the ether. There are 50/50, 75/25, 70/30 and 90/10. Anyone care to further back up those numbers with some sort of data? Really interested on how one comes up with those figures.
For 18 years people have contributed to these type of threads (me included) but how we get there is still a mystery to me.
For 18 years people have contributed to these type of threads (me included) but how we get there is still a mystery to me.
It's very difficult to know exactly the percent of luck and skill that affect your win. Poker is still a gambling game, you need the luck to win in some cases. But if you play with a good strategy and without many mistakes, you will make the profit easily because there are still many bad players.
