* January's Juxtaposed Pokahz Chat *

ph_il · Jan 12, 2009

I'm trying for BOP again.

ChuckTs · Jan 12, 2009

Yeah I think I'm gonna go kill a kitten now.

BelgoSuisse · Jan 12, 2009

ChuckTs said:
Well, I'm finally back down to earth. Thought maybe I could run good forever, guess not

In other news, this month sucks

Wow, you were running wat? 5k, 6k above all-in EV?

And yeah, it must suck big time to be handled the payback for that good luck all at once. At least the EV line is still moving up, so you must be doing somethings right nevertheless.

F Paulsson · Jan 12, 2009

ChuckTs said:
Well, I'm finally back down to earth. Thought maybe I could run good forever, guess not

In other news, this month sucks

Couldn't agree more. In the last three weeks, my bankroll is now just about half of what it was in the middle of December. There's a cashout and some coaching sessions paid for in between, but if I have another bad day, I'm going to have to move down to 100NL to rebuild. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it sucks to have to rethink my idea of taking shots at 400NL in February.

But oh well, such is life.

eNTy · Jan 12, 2009

I still sux at 25nl.
I am down 4 buy ins over 15k hands and only because I was up 6 after the first few days..

Anyone feel like sweating me tomorrow night probably between 14:00 ET and something like 18:00 ET?
Drop me a PM, I can sweat back.

Chris_TC · Jan 12, 2009

Pokah is so awesome.

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Sick hand? Or standard? Don't try against fish imo.

CO: $2,098 (209.8 bb)
Hero (BTN): $1,154 (115.4 bb)
SB: $1,000 (100 bb)
BB: $1,078 (107.8 bb)
MP: $3,926.50 (392.7 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with Q

A

MP folds, CO raises to $30, Hero calls $30, 2 folds

Flop: ($75) J

J

Q

(2 players)
CO bets $40, Hero calls $40

Turn: ($155) T

(2 players)
CO bets $125, Hero calls $125

River: ($405) A

(2 players)
CO bets $270, Hero raises to $959 and is all-in, CO folds

Results: $945 pot ($2 rake)
Hero mucked Q

A

(two pairs, Aces and Queens) and won $943 ($478 net)

eNTy · Jan 12, 2009

It's sick dropping 5 buy ins imo, not even talking about the sick stakes.

BelgoSuisse · Jan 12, 2009

Chris_TC said:
Sick hand? Or standard? Don't try against fish imo.

wow, so there's such a thing as fold equity when you move up to 1000nl?

This morning at 100nl, i got a villain who stacked with Q4o on a 432 flop. I'm preflop raiser, he flats on BTN. On flop I cbet, he raises and I overbet shove then he calls. I had A3 with a flush draw for 17 outs or 60% equity and did hit an A on river, but I was starting to believe fold equity was a myth...

c9h13no3 · Jan 12, 2009

After fish raise the flop, your fold equity tends to be absolutely dick.

feitr · Jan 12, 2009

ChuckTs said:
Well, I'm finally back down to earth. Thought maybe I could run good forever, guess not

In other news, this month sucks

All in EV is such a small % of running good anyways - it just happens to be the only thing you can really quantify.

switch0723 · Jan 12, 2009

Chris_TC said:
Sick hand? Or standard? Don't try against fish imo.

CO: $2,098 (209.8 bb)
Hero (BTN): $1,154 (115.4 bb)
SB: $1,000 (100 bb)
BB: $1,078 (107.8 bb)
MP: $3,926.50 (392.7 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with Q

A

MP folds, CO raises to $30, Hero calls $30, 2 folds

Flop: ($75) J

J

Q

(2 players)
CO bets $40, Hero calls $40

Turn: ($155) T

(2 players)
CO bets $125, Hero calls $125

River: ($405) A

(2 players)
CO bets $270, Hero raises to $959 and is all-in, CO folds

Results: $945 pot ($2 rake)
Hero mucked Q

A

(two pairs, Aces and Queens) and won $943 ($478 net)

are you value betting agains a,x or bluffing villain off a jack?

Chris_TC · Jan 12, 2009

switch0723 said:
are you value betting agains a,x or bluffing villain off a jack?

I'm not sure whether you're leveling, but I'm gonna assume you are

vanquish · Jan 12, 2009

how many buy ins you got for 1knl, now, chris?

tenbob · Jan 12, 2009

Almost all vs the same fish playing 90/10. Hes sitting on a $400 stack now if anyone feels like a shot at the lucksack. Im on tilt atm, extremagnes on Stars.

switch0723 · Jan 12, 2009

Chris_TC said:
I'm not sure whether you're leveling, but I'm gonna assume you are

well admittedly i suck at 6max, and don't play at 1knl, but i assume your bluffing but i just really don't understand the reasoning. If villain is triple barreling a flushing straightening river, surely they have either the straight as a minimum for value betting or are bluffing. In which case calling to beat the bluff would be better. I dunno, but the fact villain bet folded getting 3:1 implies that you already had his hand beat. But i suck so it doesnt matter

blankoblanco · Jan 12, 2009

right but he can bluff villain off the straight if they're remotely decent at all, often flushes too. ridiculously easy fold w/ a straight actually

tenbob · Jan 12, 2009

Better news

zachvac · Jan 12, 2009

Actually that's only half an fpp. To my knowledge fractional vpps haven't happened yet, and fractional fpps already happened, they just didn't display them before.

BelgoSuisse · Jan 12, 2009

combuboom said:
right but he can bluff villain off the straight if they're remotely decent at all, often flushes too. ridiculously easy fold w/ a straight actually

yeah, most of the hands he's betting 3 streets with, he's bet/folding on river given stack sizes. But Chris has giant nuts to go for the bluff there.

BelgoSuisse · Jan 12, 2009

tenbob said:
Almost all vs the same fish playing 90/10. Hes sitting on a $400 stack now if anyone feels like a shot at the lucksack. Im on tilt atm, extremagnes on Stars.

He's disconnected, it seems. tableratings has him losing about $1/hand.

Chris_TC · Jan 12, 2009

vanquish said:
how many buy ins you got for 1knl, now, chris?

More than 20 but less than 30.

switch0723 said:
well admittedly i suck at 6max, and don't play at 1knl, but i assume your bluffing but i just really don't understand the reasoning. If villain is triple barreling a flushing straightening river, surely they have either the straight as a minimum for value betting or are bluffing. In which case calling to beat the bluff would be better. I dunno, but the fact villain bet folded getting 3:1 implies that you already had his hand beat. But i suck so it doesnt matter

As the others have said already, he has to fold his straight (which I think is what he had - KQ) and often even the flush when I shove this river. My AQ is never good and it felt like a great spot to make him fold his hand.

zachvac · Jan 12, 2009

lol I got owned:

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG+1: $207.45 (103.7 bb)
MP1: $200 (100 bb)
MP2: $892.60 (446.3 bb)
MP3: $200 (100 bb)
CO: $34 (17 bb)
BTN: $386.85 (193.4 bb)
SB: $198 (99 bb)
Hero (BB): $206.60 (103.3 bb)
UTG: $56.70 (28.4 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with 8

T

7 folds, SB raises to $4, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($8) 2

9

(2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero raises to $12, SB calls $8

Turn: ($32) J

(2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero calls $10

River: ($52) 3

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $28, SB calls $28

Results: $108 pot ($3 rake)
Hero showed 8

T

(a pair of Nines) and lost (-$54 net)
SB showed T

A

(a pair of Nines) and won $105 ($51 net)

SavagePenguin · Jan 12, 2009

ChuckTs said:
Yeah I think I'm gonna go kill a kitten now.

Isn't that a euphemism for masturbation?

blankoblanco · Jan 12, 2009

zach: ez to say after the fact, but why not raise the turn donk bet given the strength youre trying to rep on the flop? his bet looks so weak. not only that, but if you call it makes it hard to rep much on the river, because you're like always raising that tiny bet with a 9 or boat to build the pot (and protect your hand if it's 9x). the bulk of what you can rep are Jx hands that bluffed flop and backed into a pair on the turn and are now v-betting river. kind of a small part of your range imo. obviously if a heart comes you can represent the flush but that's still only 20% of the time, and i just can't help but feel like that turn donk bet is rarely a hand so i wanna be raising

switch0723 · Jan 12, 2009

sucks so hard that i have exams right at the time when im running better than i ever have before

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