* January's Juxtaposed Pokahz Chat *

Lemlywinks · Jan 22, 2009

Okay so this is definitely not "threadworthy" but I would like to get a few opinions on this:

Money is a non factor: 25 BI's Full Tilt or Pokerstars? I am considering cashing out some of my MTT $ from this month and It got me thinking whether or not ring games at Full Tilt, where I usually stick to tournies, could be "softer" or not?

If not now, down the road when I hopefully can take some shots at 50NL and 100NL which site is "softer" overall?

Edit: That is 25BI's for 10NL, should have made that clear

switch0723 · Jan 22, 2009

sigh breakeven day, lost tons of buyins against fish who never missed, then won it all back playing 6 games against a ranked 3rd on sharkscope leaderboard thingy reg, who i actually hunt out hes so exploitable

zachvac · Jan 22, 2009

Lemlywinks said:
Edit: That is 25BI's for 10NL, should have made that clear

If you are playing 10nl, do not play on Full Tilt. Stars (and any other serious site) has 10nl rake at 5%. Full Tilt's rake is 10%. So yeah play Stars. If you want to transfer your roll once you have enough for 25nl (where they have the same rake as everyone else) then do that. But don't play on Full Tilt at 10nl.

feitr · Jan 22, 2009

I'm definitely going to go back to 2 tabling for a while coz i think i start to play pretty sloppy 3 tabling and just can't really keep track of 3 different guys ranges very well atm. I really think i need to start bluff raising/calling rivers more efficiently than i do 3 tabling where i don't give it near enough thought. Sometimes i even 4 table by mistake coz i like to have an extra table sat out, buti often forget to sit out on that table so i get 4 tables going then can't ever decide which to stop so just play them all

I'm still leaking too much in NSD pots, and while i think some of it is perfectly fine given the players at .5/1 and 1/2 some of it i absolutely have to fix. One silly thing i seem to do is try to 4B bluff really bad players who 3B like 30%+ and then they just end up flatting the 4B oop and i'm stuck with some absolute trash hand vs a player who clearly will never fold a pair. Although fwiw, it seems everytime i 4B for value they fold, so idk. Had dreams of a monster session today to get unstuck from yesterday's train wreck, but i think i'll just take the 30 min $250 session so i can pretend in my delusional head that i don't suck at this game.

lol min bet bluffing...i should play limit.

Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 2: Handtrallaxx ( $139.47 USD )
Seat 1: feitr ( $140.27 USD )
feitr posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
Handtrallaxxx posts big blind [$1 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to feitr [ Qh 7h ]
feitr raises [$2.50 USD]
Handtrallaxxx raises [$4 USD]
feitr calls [$2 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, 8s, 8c ]
Handtrallaxxx bets [$7.12 USD]
feitr raises [$20 USD]
Handtrallaxxx raises [$25.76 USD]
feitr raises [$30 USD]
Handtrallaxxx folds
feitr does not show cards.
feitr wins $92.38 USD

Lemlywinks · Jan 22, 2009

zachvac said:
If you are playing 10nl, do not play on Full Tilt. Stars (and any other serious site) has 10nl rake at 5%. Full Tilt's rake is 10%. So yeah play Stars. If you want to transfer your roll once you have enough for 25nl (where they have the same rake as everyone else) then do that. But don't play on Full Tilt at 10nl.

Sold. How about later on down the road competition wise?

feitr · Jan 22, 2009

Might as well just stick with stars, unless you will never put in enough hands to get anywhere VIP wise. Also if your winrate is lowish then the rakeback might make a significant different. I highly doubt stars/tilt games are very different at all.

Jillychemung · Jan 22, 2009

Short $25NL session tonight, 45 min., up 1 BI.

switch0723 · Jan 22, 2009

i love losing 3 coinflips, a 60/40 and a 90/10 all in 1 match, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

blankoblanco · Jan 22, 2009

switch0723 said:
i love losing 3 coinflips, a 60/40 and a 90/10 all in 1 match, makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

thats not so bad actually, uses up a bunch of your allotted bad luck in one game

zachvac · Jan 22, 2009

lol was running like shit and frustrated that I was even, decided to just quit. As the tables were powering down I won 3 buy-ins

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kleitches · Jan 22, 2009

Yay for ordering a new laptop! Gonna be a sick poker machine

kleitches · Jan 22, 2009

Sigh, WTF am I doing wrong? Will the losing ever end?

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HAND #1
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Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

SB: $9.50 (95 bb)
BB: $11.55 (115.5 bb)
MP: $18.75 (187.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $9.90 (99 bb)
BTN: $9.65 (96.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with A:club: K:diamond:
MP folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85) 8:spade: A:heart: 7:heart: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.70, BB raises to $2.60, Hero raises to $4.70, BB raises to $11.15 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.80 and is all-in

Turn: ($19.85) 6:club: (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($19.85) 4:diamond: (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $19.85 pot ($0.95 rake)
BB showed A:diamond: 8:heart: (two pairs, Aces and Eights) and won $18.90 ($9.00 net)
Hero mucked A:club: K:diamond: (a pair of Aces) and lost (-$9.90 net)

The min-raise was actually accidental. I was trying to put him on all-in on the flop, but it doesn't matter.

vanquish · Jan 22, 2009

kleitches said:
Sigh, WTF am I doing wrong? Will the losing ever end?

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HAND #1
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Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

SB: $9.50 (95 bb)
BB: $11.55 (115.5 bb)
MP: $18.75 (187.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $9.90 (99 bb)
BTN: $9.65 (96.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with A♣ K♦
MP folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 2 folds, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85) 8♠ A♥ 7♥ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.70, BB raises to $2.60, Hero raises to $4.70, BB raises to $11.15 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.80 and is all-in

Turn: ($19.85) 6♣ (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($19.85) 4♦ (2 players, 2 are all-in)

Results: $19.85 pot ($0.95 rake)
BB showed A♦ 8♥ (two pairs, Aces and Eights) and won $18.90 ($9.00 net)
Hero mucked A♣ K♦ (a pair of Aces) and lost (-$9.90 net)

The min-raise was actually accidental. I was trying to put him on all-in on the flop, but it doesn't matter.

looks pretty standard

Deltafrost · Jan 22, 2009

I love the fishies! dude was shoving every hand and i was bored of the .25 tourney lol.

oh ya, got called a donk because 23s is "a awsum hand"

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25+$0.00 Tournament, 50/100 Blinds (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop | saw showdown

Hero (SB) (t1685)
BB (t4915)
UTG (t2303)
UTG+1 (t6324)
MP1 (t1065)
MP2 (t1087)
CO (t4356)
Button (t880)

Hero's M: 11.23

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9

, 8

6 folds, Button calls t100, Hero calls t50, BB raises to t4915 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls t1585 (All-In)

Flop: (t3470) J

, 9

, 6

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t3470) 5

(2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t3470) Q

(2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t3470

Results:
Hero had 9

, 8

(one pair, nines).
BB had 2

, 3

(high card, Queen).
Outcome: Hero won t3470

blankoblanco · Jan 22, 2009

Deltafrost said:
I love the fishies! dude was shoving every hand and i was bored of the .25 tourney lol.

oh ya, got called a donk because 23s is "a awsum hand"

if you're allowed that excuse for playing badly, why isn't he?

Deltafrost · Jan 22, 2009

cuz he was playing his big hands the normal way and shoving shit.

watched him raise 3x with aa, next hand open shove 69, get called 4 way including aa, and draw out for a huge advantage.

figured he was doing the same thing again.

read worked, if it hadnt im a donk. but is it normal to shove in bb vs sb?

zachvac · Jan 22, 2009

Well it's not really normal to be limping with 16 BBs.

Deltafrost · Jan 22, 2009

zachvac said:
Well it's not really normal to be limping with 16 BBs.

this is why i play cash...didnt even notice that till you said it.

[x] I suck at tourneys

zachvac · Jan 22, 2009

Deltafrost said:
[x] tourneys suck

FYP

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bubbasbestbabe · Jan 23, 2009

And this is how my luck has been running for the last month. My mojo is on vacation in a warmer location.

Poker Stars, $1.10 Buy-in (75/150 blinds, 20 ante) NL Hold'em Tourney, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
UTG: 4,530 (30.2 bb)
UTG+1: 2,640 (17.6 bb)
MP1: 1,630 (10.9 bb)
BTN: 11,002 (73.3 bb)
SB: 1,331 (8.9 bb)
Hero (BB): 8,035 (53.6 bb)
MP2: 605 (4 bb)
MP3: 3,985 (26.6 bb)
CO: 6,260 (41.7 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is BB with A

Q

4 folds, UTG+1 raises to 600, 3 folds, Hero raises to 3,750, UTG+1 calls 2,020 and is all-in
Flop: (5,495) T

J

9

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: (5,495) 5

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (5,495) A

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: 5,495 pot
Hero showed A

Q

(a pair of Aces) and lost (-2,640 net)
UTG+1 showed A

J

(a flush, Ace high) and won 5,495 (2,855 net)

c9h13no3 · Jan 23, 2009

Top this. 95% to win on the flop. I'm just glad it wasn't a 2, cuz then I go brokes.

Hero (BTN): $83.48 (167 bb)
SB: $73.37 (146.7 bb)
BB: $98.55 (197.1 bb)
UTG: $59.25 (118.5 bb)
MP: $52.21 (104.4 bb)
CO: $72.05 (144.1 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with 6♦ 6♠
UTG raises to $1.50, MP folds, CO calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($5.25) 6♥9♣Q♦ (3 players)
UTG checks, CO bets $2.62, Hero raises to $12.25, UTG folds, CO calls $9.63

Turn: ($29.75) Q♠ (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $19.25, CO calls $19.25

River: ($68.25) Q♣ (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

CO shows 2♥Q♥
CO wins $64.75 USD from main pot
Hero mucks 6♦ 6♠

BelgoSuisse · Jan 23, 2009

Lemlywinks said:
Sold. How about later on down the road competition wise?

do you have RB at tilt? Otherwise it's a no brainer.

Lemlywinks · Jan 23, 2009

BelgoSuisse said:
do you have RB at tilt? Otherwise it's a no brainer.

No as a matter a fact I don't have RB anywhere. I was under the impression that it was one of those things you got only if you used a code for it on your first deposit?

Someone please correct me on this, I would actually like to get rackback

blankoblanco · Jan 23, 2009

c9h13no3 said:
Top this. 95% to win on the flop. I'm just glad it wasn't a 2, cuz then I go brokes.

[x] i can top this
[ ] i feel like posting it

BelgoSuisse · Jan 23, 2009

Lemlywinks said:
No as a matter a fact I don't have RB anywhere. I was under the impression that it was one of those things you got only if you used a code for it on your first deposit?

Someone please correct me on this, I would actually like to get rackback

Without RB, FT is a terrible option. Just stick with stars.

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