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bw07507 · Jan 22, 2009

worst played AA ever?

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

CO: $105.20 (105.2 bb)
BTN: $103 (103 bb)
SB: $156.70 (156.7 bb)
BB: $102.70 (102.7 bb)
UTG: $81.50 (81.5 bb)
Hero (MP): $169.75 (169.8 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP with T

A

UTG folds, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, SB raises to $10, BB folds, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($21) 5

6

2

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, SB raises to $20, Hero raises to $30, SB calls $10

Turn: ($81) Q

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $40, SB calls $40

River: ($161) Q

(2 players)
SB bets $76.70 and is all-in, Hero calls $76.70

Results: $314.40 pot ($3 rake)
SB showed A

A

(two pairs, Aces and Queens) and lost (-$156.70 net)
Hero showed T

A

(a flush, Ace high) and won $311.40 ($154.70 net)

SavagePenguin · Jan 22, 2009

Irexes said:
TT was clearly favourite with 3 all ins ahead.

This table is insane. Insane but entertaining.

You think????

PokerStars Game #24169095877: Tournament #134681937, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2009/01/22 16:59:19 ET
Table '134681937 68' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Irexes (28432 in chips)
Seat 2: tobiaspet (9580 in chips)
Seat 3: H-H-O (18606 in chips)
Seat 4: Chriscou (20280 in chips)
Seat 5: ziepel (54863 in chips)
Seat 6: jlclark311 (40194 in chips)
Seat 7: The Osiris 0 (13215 in chips)
Seat 8: maxiator (18420 in chips)
Seat 9: Max Katz (24733 in chips)
Irexes: posts the ante 50
tobiaspet: posts the ante 50
H-H-O: posts the ante 50
Chriscou: posts the ante 50
ziepel: posts the ante 50
jlclark311: posts the ante 50
The Osiris 0: posts the ante 50
maxiator: posts the ante 50
Max Katz: posts the ante 50
Irexes: posts small blind 300
tobiaspet: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
H-H-O: folds
Chriscou: folds
ziepel: folds
jlclark311: folds
The Osiris 0: folds
maxiator: folds
Max Katz: raises 1200 to 1800
Irexes: calls 1500
tobiaspet: raises 7730 to 9530 and is all-in
Max Katz: raises 15153 to 24683 and is all-in
Irexes: folds
Uncalled bet (15153) returned to Max Katz
*** FLOP *** [9d 2s 4c]
*** TURN *** [9d 2s 4c] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [9d 2s 4c Jh] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tobiaspet: shows [6h Ah] (high card Ace)
Max Katz: shows [Qd Kc] (high card King)
tobiaspet collected 21310 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 21310 | Rake 0
Board [9d 2s 4c Jh 3s]
Seat 1: Irexes (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: tobiaspet (big blind) showed [6h Ah] and won (21310) with high card Ace
Seat 3: H-H-O folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Chriscou folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ziepel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jlclark311 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: The Osiris 0 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: maxiator folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Max Katz (button) showed [Qd Kc] and lost with high card King

eNTy · Jan 22, 2009

sindri_93 said:
Indeed....nothing funnier then a argument in Dutch

Ooh what did they say ? I can translate lol.

Easily the easiest stack I ever earned, thanks for rivershove dude.

MP3: $11.14 (111.4 bb)
CO: $25.22 (252.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)
SB: $4.13 (41.3 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
MP1: $10.42 (104.2 bb)
MP2: $1.70 (17 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with A

A

3 folds, CO calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.40, SB folds, BB calls $0.30, CO calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.25) A

6

(3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.25) 5

(3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $0.75, BB folds, CO calls $0.75

River: ($2.75) 7

(2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $1.90, CO raises to $24.07 and is all-in, Hero calls $6.95 and is all-in

Results: $20.45 pot ($1 rake)
Hero showed A

A

(a full house, Aces full of Sixes) and won $19.45 ($9.45 net)
CO showed 6

K

(three of a kind, Sixes) and lost (-$10 net)

blankoblanco · Jan 22, 2009

SavagePenguin said:
You think????

SP, that hand is pretty standard. Max raises button with the very upper end of his range. Rex calls, which he's certainly capable of doing with a huge hand to trap, but all in all it doesn't look very strong. Tobias sees it as a good squeeze spot, so he shoves 16 BBs. Max realizes he has a stronger hand than he can be given credit for and there's a lot in the pot, so he gets it in

really really standard tbh

Irexes · Jan 22, 2009

tbh, SP I'd have done the same in either of their shoes there

SavagePenguin · Jan 22, 2009

combuboom said:
SP, that hand is pretty standard. Max raises button with the very upper end of his range. Rex calls, which he's certainly capable of doing with a huge hand to trap, but all in all it doesn't look very strong. Tobias sees it as a good squeeze spot, so he shoves 16 BBs. Max realizes he has a stronger hand than he can be given credit for and there's a lot in the pot, so he gets it in

really really standard tbh

I don't blame the raise with K/Q, Rex's call, or the BB's shove if he felt he was being bet light. But calling a shove with KQ?

I guess I'm too tight.

Irexes · Jan 22, 2009

SavagePenguin said:
I don't blame the raise with K/Q, Rex's call, or the BB's shove if he felt he was being bet light. But calling a shove with KQ?

I guess I'm too tight.

It's more "calling a shove, from a player who's short in a good spot to squeeze, with KQ." but yup, too tight

blankoblanco · Jan 22, 2009

well if you think there's a good chance the guy is squeezing or otherwise sort of light you get it in, period because you have enough equity and there's enough in the pot. at some buy-in levels there's a very small chance. at the 22r there's a pretty significant chance. depends on player reads also, obv

c9h13no3 · Jan 22, 2009

eNTy said:
Flop: ($1.25) A

6

6

(3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero checks

If you ever miss a c-bet against me, I'm just insta-mucking my hand right there.

BelgoSuisse · Jan 22, 2009

c9h13no3 said:
If you ever miss a c-bet against me, I'm just insta-mucking my hand right there.

Meh. flopped full house is probably the one hand you're allowed to slowplay.

eNTy · Jan 22, 2009

c9h13no3 said:
If you ever miss a c-bet against me, I'm just insta-mucking my hand right there.

Yeh people have criticized me for cbetting when I miss, and I cbet with any broadway cards I raised pre if they hit, and sometimes if they don't. But don't when I hit monsters.

I just felt I would get all folds and was hoping they had hearts and a heart would fall.. Stupid ?

BelgoSuisse said:
Meh. flopped full house is probably the one hand you're allowed to slowplay.

^ this makes me feel better

BelgoSuisse · Jan 22, 2009

Jagsti said:
Yeah I gave up after a similar hand sample. I mainly suck at teh 3bet pots so it seems at 200nl and get f'kin owned. Anyways, I stick to my usuall BRM and take shots at like 40 buy ins.

wow, you and Rex really make it look like the most hellish place. I guess i'll keep on getting 100nl fish's moneyz for a while...

Irexes · Jan 22, 2009

I'm not exactly crushing 100nl Belgo, so I wouldn't use me as a yardstick

switch0723 · Jan 22, 2009

Brag: My new pc came with insaniquarium delux for free, score!

Beat: wasted 8 hours playing it, ffs

c9h13no3 · Jan 22, 2009

eNTy said:
I just felt I would get all folds and was hoping they had hearts and a heart would fall.. Stupid ?

1) If they have hearts, they will pay to draw to them.

2) Any 6 will slowplay. You don't want this, obviously, because hearts, another ace (lol, but it can happen), and other stuff can kill your action.

3) People expect you to c-bet and will peel you with all sorts of hands they shouldn't.

Slowplaying a flopped full house isn't terrible, but the pot is multiway, and I still think the best way to extract value is just to bet your hand. Its human nature to be scared of not getting value for your monster hand. But there's just not many turn cards that are going to allow your opponent to stack off with you, unless they turn a set or something very unlikely. I'd rather slowplay QQ4 with Q4 when you really actually have the deck crippled, K's or A's can roll off and you can get value from turned bigger pairs, ect.

switch0723 · Jan 22, 2009

meh, checking the flop when you have the deck crippled and are in position isn't bad imo

Irexes · Jan 22, 2009

switch0723 said:
meh, checking the flop when you have the deck crippled and are in position isn't bad imo

Yup, betting probably gets more stacks, but checking is no error (and Harrington says check here fwiw).

bw07507 · Jan 22, 2009

wow, you and Rex really make it look like the most hellish place. I guess i'll keep on getting 100nl fish's moneyz for a while...

I also suck at 200NL. Mostly because I play like a moron when I move up though. Its definitely beatable.

I'd say if you are crushing 100NL and have ~40 BIs then take a 5 BI shot. See what you think.

BelgoSuisse · Jan 22, 2009

Irexes said:
I'm not exactly crushing 100nl Belgo, so I wouldn't use me as a yardstick

Well, i only have 25k hands at 100nl so far, so i can't pretend i crush it either. Maybe i'm just on a huge heater.

But it the heater keeps going, i'll probably put my toes in the 200nl waters next month.

I was wondering, Irexes, why don't you shortstack your ring games? Wouldn't that be a lot closer to requiring the same set of skills you have so marvelously developed in MTTs where you spend so much time 20bb deep ?

c9h13no3 · Jan 22, 2009

switch0723 said:
meh, checking the flop when you have the deck crippled and are in position isn't bad imo

It may not be bad, but is it the best play

Shoving combodraws is often +EV, but calling them in position is usually more +EV.

Irexes · Jan 22, 2009

BelgoSuisse said:
I was wondering, Irexes, why don't you shortstack your ring games? Wouldn't that be a lot closer to requiring the same set of skills you have so marvelously developed in MTTs where you spend so much time 20bb deep ?

Valid point

I'm at this for the long haul and fully intend to get a monster ring game together in the end (I'm winning, albeit not at a huge rate, and the FPPs more than pay for the Sunday "bigs"). Another year and I'll be there, the speed my game is evolving atm is making me happy.

If I shortstacked it would be short-termism I think (and I'm not one for that) and tbh I'm not sure the similarities would be huge with MTTs other than the stack size. There's so much of MTT play related to the ever-changing context of blinds and payouts, and in ring that's never a factor.

Ask me again in a year

eNTy · Jan 22, 2009

Hmmm maybe I should repost it in HA to keep the mods happy and for more hand analysis or is it too standardzoo ??

anyways I want more days like this..

S93 · Jan 22, 2009

Rex are u recording the rebuy?

Edit: Nice double up

Irexes · Jan 22, 2009

Nope sindri, just been made to watch Mamamia while playing, which might have made a good soundtrack I suppose.

Knackered today, so not planning to record, though if I get to the FT I'd probably do a bit on the back of the adrenaline kick

c9h13no3 · Jan 22, 2009

eNTy said:
Hmmm maybe I should repost it in HA to keep the mods happy and for more hand analysis or is it too standardzoo ??

Meht, I think its just the usual slowplay vs. don't slowplay debate. I can probably count on one hand the number of times I slowplay, but my image is really LAGgy, so for me personally its probably criminal to do so. I'm not sure it'd make for a good hand analysis thread, but maybe worth posting in a "To slowplay or not to slowplay" strategy forum post?

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