****Juggernaut June Poker Chat Thread******

[Emperor IX]

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BB: $5.75 (57.5 bb)
UTG: $5.25 (52.5 bb)
UTG+1: $10 (100 bb)
MP1: $2 (20 bb)
Hero (MP2): $18.55 (185.5 bb)
MP3: $7 (70 bb)
CO: $1.85 (18.5 bb)
BTN: $9.60 (96 bb)
SB: $10.30 (103 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP2 with A

A

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, SB calls $0.35, BB folds

Flop: ($0.90) 3

4

K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, SB calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.10) 7

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB calls $1.50

River: ($5.10) 9

(2 players)
SB bets $1

Raise for value here?

 

[GeoffLacey]

PLO is sooooooo much more fun then hold em

 

[vanquish]

PLO is sooooooo much more fun then hold em

agreed

 

[blankoblanco]

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

BB: $5.75 (57.5 bb)
UTG: $5.25 (52.5 bb)
UTG+1: $10 (100 bb)
MP1: $2 (20 bb)
Hero (MP2): $18.55 (185.5 bb)
MP3: $7 (70 bb)
CO: $1.85 (18.5 bb)
BTN: $9.60 (96 bb)
SB: $10.30 (103 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP2 with A

A

3 folds, Hero raises to $0.40, 3 folds, SB calls $0.35, BB folds

Flop: ($0.90) 3

4

K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.60, SB calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.10) 7

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.50, SB calls $1.50

River: ($5.10) 9

(2 players)
SB bets $1

Raise for value here?

yep. i wouldnt shove though since he's going to have a hand that can't call too often, and some of the times you're beat by something like a crappy 2 pair so shoving just valuetowns yourself more cause he won't always 3bet. id just make it around 4

 

[Emperor IX]

yep

How much you think?

 

[blankoblanco]

ninja editted already

 

[Emperor IX]

ninja editted already

I actually did exactly what you said, but he had 33 lol

 

[blankoblanco]

lol, did he just flat the raise or did he shove?

 

[Emperor IX]

lol, did he just flat the raise or did he shove?

he flatted it fortunately, which was noted.

 

[blankoblanco]

yeah, people are really good at poker

 

[ChuckTs]

hey guys, outside is awesome. try it some time!

 

[blankoblanco]

out...side? must be some canadian thing

 

[switch0723]

Even the Nile can't match the beauty of this river


Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

SB: $8.90 (89 bb)
BB: $2 (20 bb)
UTG: $5.85 (58.5 bb)
Hero (UTG+1): $10 (100 bb)
MP1: $8.75 (87.5 bb)
MP2: $10 (100 bb)
MP3: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
CO: $9.70 (97 bb)
BTN: $9.60 (96 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with 2

2

UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.40, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to $1.20, 5 folds, Hero calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.55) 4

2

2

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($4.55) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

River: ($4.55) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, MP2 raises to $7.80 and is all-in, Hero calls $4.30 and is all-in

Results (listed below in white, highlight to see): $20.15 pot ($0.95 rake)
MP2 showed Qc Qs (a full house, Queens full of Twos) and lost (-$10 net)
Hero showed 2c 2d (four of a kind, Twos) and won $19.20 ($9.20 net)

do you always set mine oop in 3bet pots?

 

[Emperor IX]

do you always set mine oop in 3bet pots?

No no, villain is a spewtard even with big non pairs, so I knew my implied odds were (probably) good

 

[switch0723]

based on his flop and turn play, he looks far from a spewtard, if the river isn't a queen, you probably don't even get his stack in

 

[Emperor IX]

based on his flop and turn play, he looks far from a spewtard, if the river isn't a queen, you probably don't even get his stack in

I promise you, if the river was not a heart the money was going in.

 

[GeoffLacey]

agreed

It's also the sickest thing ever.... bvjrbivb onobngtioubot aajjkkdleln f

Getting it all in full house v trips only to be sucked out on...

Although, I guess that's not PLO exclusive lol

 

[switch0723]

I promise you, if the river was not a heart the money was going in.

what if the river was an ace or a king either? Thats like 14 river cards you don't want to see. Also if your going to be calling with the 2's pre, you don't have the implied odds, so your going to have to win the pot without a set some of the time, thats lke impossible if villain is a spewtard

 

[Emperor IX]

what if the river was an ace or a king either? Thats like 14 river cards you don't want to see. Also if your going to be calling with the 2's pre, you don't have the implied odds, so your going to have to win the pot without a set some of the time, thats lke impossible if villain is a spewtard

I understand what you're saying, but how do I not have implied odds? He's tight and spewy. (spewy based on recent play, tight on low sample stats)

 

[JimmyBrizzy]

hey guys, outside is awesome. try it some time!

F*** U!!!!!!!!

I'm stuck in a god damn cubicle and god knows I'm not working on a Friday afternoon!!!! T-minus 9 minutes til I head to the beach for some sun n booze. If the weathermen lie again this summer there is gonna be some serious hell to pay.

 

[c9h13no3]

I understand what you're saying, but how do I not have implied odds? He's tight and spewy.

You don't have enough money behind. You won't hit a set often enough to make up for calling a big fat raise preflop. So you're going to have to bluff catch when he barrels with AK a lot, or blow him off his hand a lot to make up for the lack of set-mining odds. One or the other. And not only is that hard to do against a spewtard, but its flipping impossible from out of position.

Fold preflop if you like money.

 

[tenbob]

I just realised why people on I-poker are shoving 50bb stacks

Its the new ratholing rules, the shortstackers are now officially even worse. They cannot leave their tables, so they are playing the same stragegy even when they get a stack

 

[vanquish]

alright, PLO grinding begins today/tomorrow

gonna split my poaker time between PLO and FR i spose

 

[ChuckTs]

I don't get the attraction to a higher variance game even though it may be more fun...

 

[kleitches]

You don't have enough money behind. You won't hit a set often enough to make up for calling a big fat raise preflop. So you're going to have to bluff catch when he barrels with AK a lot, or blow him off his hand a lot to make up for the lack of set-mining odds. One or the other. And not only is that hard to do against a spewtard, but its flipping impossible from out of position.

Fold preflop if you like money.

If we were deepstacked (200bb let's say) instead of 100bbs deep, would this change at all? Calling a 3x raise OOP with 22 may not be giving us odds, but I wonder if this would be acceptable if we were any deeper. Also, what if we flat and villian made it 4x, would we be getting the implied odds if we think he'd commit his stack with an overpair?