Sometimes I tend to overestimate my fold equity... 😀
Apart from c9 who will of course love it, you guys like the shove? Villain is unknown (3 hands).
Full Tilt, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
Hero (BTN): $200 (100 bb)
SB: $200 (100 bb)
BB: $184 (92 bb)
UTG: $73.85 (36.9 bb)
MP: $78 (39 bb)
CO: $127.50 (63.8 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with 97
UTG folds, MP calls $2, CO folds, Hero raises to $9, SB folds, BB calls $7, MP calls $7
Flop: ($28) 7Q3
(3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $21, BB raises to $42, MP folds, Hero raises to $191 and is all-in, BB calls $133 and is all-in
Turn: ($378) 9(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($378) K(2 players, 2 are all-in)
Results: $378 pot ($3 rake)
Hero showed 97(two pairs, Nines and Sevens) and won $375 ($191 net)
BB showed TT(a pair of Tens) and lost (-$184 net)
Apart from c9 who will of course love it, you guys like the shove? Villain is unknown (3 hands).
ChuckTs said:
well, i was kind of expecting Qx and lower to fold. This is full ring. Supposedly people don't like to stack light...
anyway, i trust you guys. Probably shouldn't be playing while reading the "rigged investigation" thread. Too much adrenaline in the system makes you play over aggressive.
ChuckTs said:
I also kind of expect him to call with nut flush draws, tbh. And that's fine, because my second pair is worth something, then.
Board: 7d Qs 3d
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.465% 56.46% 00.00% 559 0.00 { 9d7h }
Hand 1: 43.535% 43.54% 00.00% 431 0.00 { Ad5d }
I don't, on the other hand, expect to be looked up by TT. 😱
switch0723 said:
No, I shoved putting him on TT and expecting a fold. Seriously. I'm that good/bad/whatever you want to call it, but I really expected mostly a hand like TT. Flush draws and Qx hands either flat call or CR bigger than a minraise.
but you have absolutely no idea who this guy is. Someone who check minraises like this is generally not going to be a good player, so you have to really polarize his range to big hands, and MAYBE flush draws, although im not convinced. This is more sets, 2pairs, a,q/k,q more than anthing, of which your shove is really only getting k,q to fold. I would at no point but an unknown on 2nd pair after a c/mr
Board: 7d Qs 3d
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 78.608% 78.61% 00.00% 45135 1.50 { 77, 33, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, KQs, Q8s+, KQo, Q9o+ }
Hand 1: 21.392% 21.39% 00.00% 12282 1.50 { 9d7h }
I just don't like it. Even if we take out those one pair Qx hands we need a fold way too often.
edit: we can't possibly put him on solely a med pair (and expect him to fold it) after 3 hands....
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 78.608% 78.61% 00.00% 45135 1.50 { 77, 33, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, KQs, Q8s+, KQo, Q9o+ }
Hand 1: 21.392% 21.39% 00.00% 12282 1.50 { 9d7h }
I just don't like it. Even if we take out those one pair Qx hands we need a fold way too often.
edit: we can't possibly put him on solely a med pair (and expect him to fold it) after 3 hands....
switch0723 said:
I can assure you that most of the time at 200nl fr, a c/mr is a medium pocket pair that missed its set and goes for a cheap bluff as he thinks you missed the flop.
Flush draws C/R bigger to improve their fold equity, and 2 pairs and sets C/R bigger too to look like flush draws.
BelgoSuisse said:
probably more true in heads up pots though. i think you're way underestimating how much the fact that you're c-betting into 2 players and he has another player behind him who could have anything affects how much less likely he is to do it with a hand he's not ready to felt
I seem to run into a lot of fish that love to check min raise sets, although that is typically in 3bet pots and 6max(assuming this is FR even though only 6 players) so I dont know.
On a side note, anyone ever min raise 3bet pots? I dont have nearly enough hands but on certain boards (dry K or Q high) it seems to work pretty well against non terrible people.
On a side note, anyone ever min raise 3bet pots? I dont have nearly enough hands but on certain boards (dry K or Q high) it seems to work pretty well against non terrible people.
hell, you don't want to see the shit I've been doing the last month, belgo :/ puts your little hand to shame in spewiness 😀
I like 2-2.5xing it WM, works well against the right guys. Sometimes it's for value against AK when I know they'll peel the flop but fold on the turn 🙂
I like 2-2.5xing it WM, works well against the right guys. Sometimes it's for value against AK when I know they'll peel the flop but fold on the turn 🙂
if you sure that he has a med pp, why not just call in position, since you beat most of his range, and a shvoe only gets called by hands that have you beat
Board: 7d 3d Qs
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.566% 63.57% 00.00% 24543 0.00 { 9d7h }
Hand 1: 36.434% 36.43% 00.00% 14067 0.00 { TT-88, 66-44, 22 }
Board: 7d 3d Qs
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 63.566% 63.57% 00.00% 24543 0.00 { 9d7h }
Hand 1: 36.434% 36.43% 00.00% 14067 0.00 { TT-88, 66-44, 22 }
