****Salacious September Poker etc. Chat Thread****

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  • #651
dakota-xx said:
If I can't eat it I may as well play in it. :p

I have only played there a couple of times. I am not real fond of it - but some inner voice told me to play in this tournament today and I figured I may as well do as I am told. :)

The next time that inner voice speaks to me I will tell it to gtfo of my head.

That was the strangest tournament I have ever played in. (for a $55 buy-in). Almost every pot was raised 4-5 xbb pre-flop on both tables I played on. There was no stealing a pot - if you tried you better have the nuts cause you would get 3-4 callers every time. It would have been great if I could have ever gotten a decent hand lol - I would have been guaranteed a big pot with it.

I can't even complain about ever getting sucked out on lol. I never had a great hand - and there were so many people in every pot it took at least a straight to win most of them.

I might be exaggerating a little bit... but I couldn't get my arms around that site at all.

It should have been good with so many horrible players - but it just didn't work out that way lol.

I couldn't get out of there and back to Pokerstars fast enough. :)

Love me some Pokerstars!
 
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  • #652
freshers week ftw !!
 
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ffs, this is just so unbelievable. Almost notched up my 3rd winning session in a row, got to the point where i had closed all but 5 tables, then within 7 hands, i have a hand where i flop a backdoor straight draw, villain flops backdoor flush draw, we obv both get there, which just meant that for me to lose my stack, the turn and river need to be the 6d and the 7d. Then i flop the nuts AND a straight flush draw to go with it, get it all in on spade completing turn, villain has bigger flush. To top it off nicely, villain has quads on a A22 board in a 3bet pot where i have squeezed with a,k. At least i can take in comfort in the fact that i ran above EV that session, OH NO WAI, like that would ever happen psh.

Back down to -28 buyins

Seriously, anyone who thinks they run bad, they have no idea what its like for villains to have the top of their range every day for over a month
 
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:(
 
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  • #656
eNTy said:
coolrunnings.jpg

lol how does such a cd exist

man i feel so shitty tpday cant eat cant sleep feel so weak arrgggg
 
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  • #657
dakota-xx said:
I just bought it myself so once you get it figured out you can help me. :)

i should start demanding a 10% cut from EA on their sales imo
 
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  • #658
Dorkus Malorkus said:
i should start demanding a 10% cut from EA on their sales imo

You know me. Just tell me now before I open it - is it more than I can handle? lol

I can still return it.
 
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  • #659
f buying, i was going to downloading it but got confused by utorrent and enty's load noises
 
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  • #660
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f buying, i was going to downloading it but got confused by utorrent and enty's load noises

Ohhhh - so it should be easy for me since I bought it hehe.
 
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Pirates ITT...
 
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  • #662
My head is going to explode. I always thought min raising was the act of the devil and I never did it. Then I start studying and watching videos and reading articles and find out that it is pretty much how you should raise in early position so I change my game up some.

I also keep hearing never limp - if you can't raise fold. Especially if you are first to act. So I change that up.

Then I am reading HOH and he advises a hell of a lot of calling hands based on your position. (Of course he wants you to mix it up - but calling is fine by him with certain hands even if you are first to act).

And he advises raising at least 3xbb always.

So now I am all over the place and never know what to do. :eek: :(
 
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  • #663
cAPSLOCK said:
Pirates ITT...
All the cool kids practise piracy...
 
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sindri_93 said:
All the cool kids practise piracy...

I don't practice. I perfect.

omg speaking of pirate. I finally found a copy of Backyard Soccer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Greatest sports game EVAR
 
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sindri_93 said:
All the cool kids practiCe piracy...
But they dont practice spelling...
 
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dakota-xx said:
My head is going to explode. I always thought min raising was the act of the devil and I never did it. Then I start studying and watching videos and reading articles and find out that it is pretty much how you should raise in early position so I change my game up some.

I also keep hearing never limp - if you can't raise fold. Especially if you are first to act. So I change that up.

Then I am reading HOH and he advises a hell of a lot of calling hands based on your position. (Of course he wants you to mix it up - but calling is fine by him with certain hands even if you are first to act).

And he advises raising at least 3xbb always.

So now I am all over the place and never know what to do. :eek: :(
At the risk of bringing poker strategy discussion into this casual chat thread...

Like anything else, ask 10 people, get 10 different opinions. :) There are so many ways to play poker that you just have to try different things and stick with what works for you. Then if you're like me, you'll start changing things up when you hit a downswing, which generally isn't the advisable thing to do. :eek:

As far as raising from EP, I'm curious which articles and videos you're referring to? I've never heard that min-raise recommendation -- in fact just the opposite. Pretty much everything I read says you shouldn't be playing anything from EP that isn't worth a solid raise, and then you should add an extra bb or so because of the positional disadvantage. So if you're UTG with a hand you would usually raise 3x with, make it 4x or 4.5x. It helps to build fold equity by pricing out marginal limpers that come behind you. So suggesting min-raising OOP as a habit would seem to invite a lot callers, something you generally don't want OOP unless you're drawing to a cheap flop (and maybe that's a good time to do it, to neutralize steal attempts on a limped pot).

Regarding limping, I don't think I've ever seen it suggested to "never limp." The consensus I've gathered is that you should rarely, if ever, open limp. If you're the first to enter a pot, you should be raising. But there are lots of factors that would make limping behind with position a good play. If you are stacked compared to the blinds, in late position with several limpers in front of you, and you don't have some uber-aggressive player to act behind you, you've got great odds to see a cheap flop with a hand you would have normally folded. If the flop hits you, you're probably going to get paid off by somebody. Even when it doesn't hit you, if it doesn't hit anyone else and the flop is checked around to you, you can often steal the pot there with a bet. The opportunity doesn't come up for me that often, but I think if I analyzed the hands where I did it, it has been a profitable play. This of course assumes reasonable blind levels -- at high blinds I virtually NEVER limp, unless maybe when I'm ridiculously deepstacked and in the above scenario. High-blind-limping is almost always -EV, and it bugs me to no end to see a SS routinely limp for 20% of their stack. So overall, I've learned that limping should be a fairly uncommon play, but not a forbidden play.

3x bb raising seems to be the most common convention I see. Which HoH are you referring to? I recently revisited Vol 1 after starting to play tourneys again, and I seem to remember him advocating a lot of min-raising even at low blinds, which surprised me based on other advice I've been given. But I hear that Vol 2 and Vol 3 have him changing up much of his advice from Vol 1, I presume based on the assumption of more advanced skills, so you may be referring to a later volume (I have Vol 2 on the way from Amazon). Personally, I vary my raise amounts based on numerous factors, like ring vs tourney, position, limpers in front of me, etc.
 
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I first noticed the min raising when I watched Annie Duke playing online. She was always min raising from early position regardless of her cards and rasing about 2.5xbb in middle position and then more in late.

Then I watched some of Matt Matros' videos at Stox and noticed him doing the exact same thing. I even asked him about it in a thread. He said his pre-flop bet sizing was based only on position and linked me to this article by Chris Ferguson at Full Tilt:

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/pro-tip/ChrisFerguson/20

In that same article the very first sentence is this:

"I never get tired of saying it: If you're the first to enter the pot in a No-Limit Hold 'em game, never call. If you aren't prepared to raise, throw your hand away."

(And I was mostly referring to open limping above.)

In HOH Vol 1 in Part 5 - "Betting Before the Flop" - Dan presents 5 different scenarios with strategies for each. The first one is nobody has entered the pot yet in front of you. His raise amounts are based on the cards and position - though he does suggest changing it up so you don't create a pattern. But it is rare cases where he suggests a min raise. For premium hands in that position he is always raising. But for lesser hands he is suggesting a mixture of calling and raising. Since you are first to act the calling would be open limping. Sure it is the lower percentage of the time - but depending on the hand and position the percentage to call is 15-50%.

To go from always hearing never open limp to that just fills my brain with mass confusion.
 
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  • #668
please don't listen to anything chris ferguson says, unless you want to play a 3/3/2% 3bet style
 
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Bubbling a HORSE freeroll after 4 hours really sucks...
 
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  • #670
dont play freerolls ?
dont play mtts ?

dont play HORSE.
 
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My internet connection is unstable, I'm timing out on tables every 5 minutes or so, I've had a few big pots in 6max games disappear on me when I've timed out so I'm not playing much cash games until I get this resolved. I feel trapped between a rock and a hard place, my ISP says it's my hardware and my computer dealer says it's the ISP... bleh.

HORSE is more fun than I thought it would be, never tried before tonight, haven't played limit games in years, but it was trememdously irritating to get so close and bubble out. I went out in 71st (top 64 move to another HORSE tourney) when I felt I had no choice but to shove AsJsKhQh as a ss in Omaha Hi/Lo w an M of 2 and the third shortest stack remaining - obv no broadway cards hit the board, and no spades or hearts.
 
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a HORSE satellite to another HORSE tournament?

be glad you bubbled the first one, imo
 
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  • #673
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a HORSE satellite to another HORSE tournament?

be glad you bubbled the first one, imo

This ^^^
 
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  • #674
Dont listen to the haters.

Horse donkaments are fun!
 
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Can u and if u can how do u put rackback/bonuses into PT3?
 
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