Top Players at Cardschat

switch0723 said:

dario minieri is a sng pro

and hte guy who tops the sharkscope leaderboards, can't think of his name but i know it begins with a p, is a omaha HU sng pro

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HU sng's are a bit different imo. Realistically they could just go play HU on a cash table for the same amount, but without the potential massive rake.

Put it this way, most of the top Supernova Elite crew are SnG'ers.

anybody who makes a decent amount of quality posts on this site is a good poker player
cc games = high quality poker

Jagsti said:

Put it this way, most of the top Supernova Elite crew are SnG'ers.

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do you know who is in the supernova elite? (doubt there's a list somewhere, maybe on some random website but not on PS's site i dont think) I'd like to watch them play HU. I've only watched dario

ok personally I don't like the idea of threads like this. I usually just ignore them but now there seems to be a big ego battle. Most good players are playing for the money, not the ego. Poker also has so many variables, so determining who's better at poker is extremely tough to do. Obviously you could just say whoever wins the most money is the best player. But for example one player may struggle with a loose aggressive game, another one may be able to crush cash games and struggle with MTTs, someone else may be the other way around. Honestly I think whether you're better than the other people here is irrelevent. You're playing poker to beat the game you're playing. If you are, there's no reason to talk. I've rarely run into another CC player at the tables anyway (apart from CC sponsored games), and when I do I usually just try to steer clear of them anyway because there are easier fish to exploit. Basically poker-wise I couldn't care less if every single CC player were better than me as long as they aren't playing the same games I am. If they are, then I look at them, see what I think their strengths/weaknesses are and if I can exploit anything, but most of the time it's just avoid them. We can both take the money from the fish.

In terms of the OP, I know he meant well, but going pro has nothing to do if you can beat good CC players. Especially if you're playing live, usually it's how good you are at crushing donks and tourists, not how good you can play against other good players.

BelgoSuisse said:

wat ??? you mean zach is not really a 37/24/1 maniac who 3bets 15% and will not ever fold to a flop cbet? Damn, I thought I had such valuable info on his game for the day i move up to his stakes...

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lol, I'm playing a bit more LAG lately, 15% 3-bet is pretty damn low .

Jagsti said:

As for pro players, well yes the majority of online pros will be cash players, but there's still a decent proportion that are sng'ers imo.

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I don`t know that that`s necessarily true. I believe there are a number of successful online pros who make their bread and butter by multitabling SNGs.

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yea sure but my point still stands. Even sng players will specialize at a certain type...there is a big difference between HU/6 max/9 player sngs...there is a big difference between different stakes.

Trying to get some CC players to randomly play a given game type, be it HU/6max/FR sng or cash, is just going to be a complete mess, because some ppl are good at cash bad at sngs/mtts , good at 6 max bad at FR and vice verse and on and on and on.

Very sensible input from Zach, imo. Not for the first time.

KMC1828 said:

do you know who is in the supernova elite?

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2+2 has a list of Supernova Elites. It's a gigantic thread of people trying to make it (in the Internet gambling subforum). And everybody who doesn't mind their name being on the list gets their VPPs posted by Scotty who works for Pokerstars.

Egon Towst said:

Very sensible input from Zach, imo. Not for the 3977 time.

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FYP

Chris_TC said:

2+2 has a list of Supernova Elites. It's a gigantic thread of people trying to make it (in the Internet Gambling subforum). And everybody who doesn't mind their name being on the list gets their VPPs posted by Scotty who works for Pokerstars.

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thank you. ill check it out. i've been looking for more players to watch =)

What a crock of shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MrMuckets said:

both and add Pantin007. Sorry ladies but you just don't cut it at this level. OK, Holler but don't hit.

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Typical guy who thinks feeble women cant pick up two playing cards or click a mouse because they might break their fingernails

MrMuckets said:

To defend myself,

These guys eat sleep and breath poker. They talk about it all the time in this forum. They reach out and try to analyze players hands and offer advice. Look at the tutorials on poker in the golden archives, not one woman's name appears. Do they have opinions or just want to be included?

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Typical guy all mouth no trousers -

I've offered advice before in other forums but most players just ignore most of it in Advice sections and other articles on the internet because they think they are the greatest and dont need it

Just because you can analyse a hand and talk about it afterwards doesnt make you a good player. Playing poker is in the present can you analyse in a few seconds or do you have to check your arty farty graphs and poker tracking software before you can make great decisions.

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My point exactly. the ladies are taking and taking and never giving back. That's not the type of player I'm looking for. Like I said a couple of times already ADD TO THE LIST. I certainly don't know everyone or everything.

I will add ChrisTC and Jaymfc.

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Never give back - as above just because people dont analyse hands and offer advice doesnt mean they cant play poker. No good talking the talk if you can't walk the walk

MrMuckets said:

I do not want to make anyone angry. I just posted my opinion on the top players based on threads and advice offered. I asked for names to be added and that would be women's names as well as men. I said i had a reason for wanting this and i still do so just add the names that you think belong. Not all the women in Aloes list belong in the same league as the ones i posted. Some do and i am sorry that i didn't add them but they didn't stand out to me.

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Didnt stand out to me, cos you only think of yourself and your pipe smoking slipper wearing buddies

This is my 51st month playing poker and unless I lose every game i play this month and start throwing lots of cash games will be my 51st in profit.

Since 31st July won 9 Cardschat tournaments

If based on cash games then there are lots of better players than me, but on recent tournaments over last few months would rate myself as in top 10 of tournaments.

You sound like one of those tossers who run country golf clubs or other establishments that dont allow women to join.

Well you just ignore all the ladies and we'll fly under the radar and when you arent looking take all your chips

Freakakanus said:

Why is it whenever I make someone's list of good players, others always have to come in and take a big dump on it?

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MrSticker said:

Sorry, Bro. See now, there are ways for people to be offended by being ON the list as well as by not being on it. These lists are nothing but trouble.

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Joke...see smilie........

Don't worry, Katy. Let them think you suck. Makes it easier to sneak up and take their money.

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BTW, is it pronounced "Kay-tee-May-tee" or "Cat-tee-Matt-tee"? I've always wondered. :icon_scra

We are getting somewhat overwrought, I suggest, and I hesitate to add fuel to the fire.

However, I understand Katy`s frustration. I have played many games with her and I have the strong impression that she is as good as any man here and better than most.

MrMuckets said:

I do not want to make anyone angry. I just posted my opinion on the top players based on threads and advice offered. I asked for names to be added and that would be women's names as well as men. I said i had a reason for wanting this and i still do so just add the names that you think belong. Not all the women in Aloes list belong in the same league as the ones i posted. Some do and i am sorry that i didn't add them but they didn't stand out to me.

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Well excuse me sir but i think you are completely wrong here. First of all, I don't know if you are just sexist or feel that men are superior to women. But whatever the case is, I can assure you that the women on Aloe's list have done more than enough to deserve to be on this ridiculous list that you have created. For instance, Aloe. Who do you think does the leaderboards every week? WHo do you think spends around 40 HOURS a week, almost the same exact time as a full time job, getting the leaderboards prepared for all of the members here at CC. Aloe does. So next time before you go around saying that someone isn't worth being on your "MVP" list or whatever, you should do your homework about the person.......

To be honest, i didnt mind not being included as there are lots of really good players on here. It was the women can't cut it which pissed me off

thread lock imo
this cant be going anywhere good

Women on the internet?!?! whos making my dinner then?? I need food dammit!!







jokes

Jagsti said:

I think this thread has somewhat diverted from it's initial intent.

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Oh yeah..... The inner circle.


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katymaty said:

To be honest, i didnt mind not being included as there are lots of really good players on here. It was the women can't cut it which pissed me off

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Let me rephrase, the ladies may be every bit as good if not better than any man in the forum, but as is often said when someone yells poker is rigged. WHERE DO I FIND THE PROOF. I only could go on what i saw not on someone's word. AND AGAIN I SAY

ADD TO THE FREAKIN LIST.
AND DON'T SHOUT AT ME NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU THINK YOU ARE.

katymaty said:

What a crock of shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Typical guy who thinks feeble women cant pick up two playing cards or click a mouse because they might break their fingernails



Typical guy all mouth no trousers -

I've offered advice before in other forums but most players just ignore most of it in Advice sections and other articles on the internet because they think they are the greatest and dont need it

Just because you can analyse a hand and talk about it afterwards doesnt make you a good player. Playing poker is in the present can you analyse in a few seconds or do you have to check your arty farty graphs and poker tracking software before you can make great decisions.



Never give back - as above just because people dont analyse hands and offer advice doesnt mean they cant play poker. No good talking the talk if you can't walk the walk



Didnt stand out to me, cos you only think of yourself and your pipe smoking slipper wearing buddies

This is my 51st month playing poker and unless I lose every game i play this month and start throwing lots of cash games will be my 51st in profit.



Since 31st July won 9 Cardschat tournaments

If based on cash games then there are lots of better players than me, but on recent tournaments over last few months would rate myself as in top 10 of tournaments.

You sound like one of those tossers who run country golf clubs or other establishments that dont allow women to join.

Well you just ignore all the ladies and we'll fly under the radar and when you arent looking take all your chips

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yOU did notice the holler but don't hit comment which indicated a joke did you not or are you just not gifted with a sense of humor.
I think it's marvelous that you are a winning player but until this thread i never heard of you.

Are you Billie Jean King or what? Where do you get off judging me? All i did was put down some names based on the data i had.

Take your hard nosed nasty attitude back to to dark room you sprang from.

MrMuckets said:

yOU did notice the holler but don't hit comment which indicated a joke did you not or are you just not gifted with a sense of humor.
I think it's marvelous that you are a winning player but until this thread i never heard of you.

Are you Billie Jean King or what? Where do you get off judging me? All i did was put down some names based on the data i had.

Take your hard nosed nasty attitude back to to dark room you sprang from.

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Hmmmmmmm. Where do you get off judging other people and determining whether or not "they're good enough" to make your "elite" list? Insulting people (even more) will get you nowhere. I think you need to check yourself on this one bud.

And that's the end of that.

Told you so.

* In after lock.