** April's Micro Grinder Thread 2NL - 25NL **

[GunslingerZ]

My red line is like a friggin cliff. 😱

My stealing isn't horrible, it's around 33% iirc. I know I can steal a lot more, but I'm showing a nice profit when I do.

The SB is definitely a leak. I checked my overall 25NL stats, and I'm profitable when I limp (as opposed to folding it), but, as you pointed out, I'm like 20/10 from the SB, I need to converge those numbers a LOT. I absolutely never open-complete the SB, and my steal from SB is 41%.

But my huge leak is being a frakking nit post flop. I give up too easily, and give people too much credit for hands. And I don't know how to correct it without becoming a calling station. I wrote down all the advice to Jurn in the main chat thread since my situation is similar, but as was also pointed out, I don't want to do to much at once. And I don't put in nearly the volume as everyone else, so results don't show for a while.

 

[switch0723]

we will stick together switch dont worry!!, fwiw is your red line massively negative and blue line massively positive??

yep, d/w your not a cool kid unless your red line goes down

 

[S93]

yep, d/w your not a cool kid unless your red line goes down

What about people with breakeven red lines and blue lines that just barrly go up?

 

[switch0723]

means your the kid whos good at math

 

[eNTy]

What about people who had a mad positive red line but a hugely negative blue line ?

 

[Jurn8]

Brag: Made Platty
Brag: 5BI day
Beat: I made two brags and feel bad

 

[arahel_jazz]

Soul read

Poker Stars, $2.20 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) NL Hold'em Tourney, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

MP2: 3,990 (199.5 bb)
MP3: 2,120 (106 bb)
CO: 2,010 (100.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): 1,685 (84.3 bb)
SB: 1,130 (56.5 bb)
BB: 1,470 (73.5 bb)
UTG+1: 3,550 (177.5 bb)
MP1: 4,370 (218.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with J

K

UTG+1 calls 20, 2 folds, MP3 calls 20, CO folds, Hero raises to 60, SB calls 50, BB folds, UTG+1 calls 40, MP3 calls 40

Flop: (260) T

J

6

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets 220, SB calls 220, UTG+1 folds, MP3 folds

Turn: (700) 7

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (700) 7

(2 players)
SB bets 850 and is all-in, Hero calls 850

Results: 2,400 pot
SB showed K

8

(a pair of Sevens) and lost (-1,130 net)
Hero showed J

K

(two pairs, Jacks and Sevens) and won 2,400 (1,270 net)

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Results: 2,400 pot
SB showed K

8

(a pair of Sevens) and lost (-1,130 net)
Hero showed J

K

(two pairs, Jacks and Sevens) and won 2,400 (1,270 net)

[ ] Soul read
[x] Stacked top pair 50bb deep
[x] Caught villain bluffing a missed flush draw

This should be a standard call, really. Villain's bluffing range is way bigger than his shoving for value range.

 

[arahel_jazz]

[ ] Soul read
[x] Stacked top pair 50bb deep
[x] Caught villain bluffing a missed flush draw

This should be a standard call, really. Villain's bluffing range is way bigger than his shoving for value range.

Oops, just realized that this belonged in the MTT thread instead of here. But thanks anyway.

 

[Deltafrost]

New question: Do you guys have a routine for playing? I know Chuck is pretty big about his routine, he just is bad about implementing it. Also I feel like I play better when i watch a DC vid or something prior to playing to get my head in the game. I don't do breathing excercises or anything though.

So what do you do?
Presession plan?
How long do you play for (# hands, timeframe, stoploss ideas etc)
How many tables do you play and why (not just because you can.)
Post session plan?


Also, if you do a review after each session walk us through it. Pretty sure after session review is one of my biggest leaks because honestly I dont know exactly what to be looking for.

 

[RogueRivered]

Could someone explain to me what I should look for with regards to the red line and blue line of my graph. It seems to me like I should be doing OK if the green line is higher than midway between the two or is that irrelevant? Thanks.

 

[RogueRivered]

New question: Do you guys have a routine for playing? I know Chuck is pretty big about his routine, he just is bad about implementing it. Also I feel like I play better when i watch a DC vid or something prior to playing to get my head in the game. I don't do breathing excercises or anything though.

So what do you do?
Presession plan?
How long do you play for (# hands, timeframe, stoploss ideas etc)
How many tables do you play and why (not just because you can.)
Post session plan?


Also, if you do a review after each session walk us through it. Pretty sure after session review is one of my biggest leaks because honestly I dont know exactly what to be looking for.

Read presession then try to study my database to see how it relates to what I just read. Watching CC videos helps, too, if there are any new ones from the regulars. I usually play for 45-80 minutes, about the time my vision starts going cross-eyed. Most often play between 10-17 tables at 6-max with 14 about average. Try to get in at least 10 hands per minute played, i.e. 70 minutes, 700 hands, 50 minutes, 500 hands, etc. I play that many tables because it helps me avoid tilt to not look at the results. With only 4-8 tables, I can see what happens at showdown and it seriously affects me. I do much better not knowing until afterwards. After a session, I look at the results, including going through lost and won hands to see if I made the right plays according to the odds. Then I run some filters on the session to see how it compares to other sessions. I try to do this routine 2 to 3 times a day.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Could someone explain to me what I should look for with regards to the red line and blue line of my graph. It seems to me like I should be doing OK if the green line is higher than midway between the two or is that irrelevant? Thanks.

green line is the sum of the other two.

what you're saying is that you're doing fine if g = r+b > (r+b)/2. That's true because it's equivalent to g = r+b > 0, i.e. you're profiting. But that's a pretty convoluted way to look at it... 🙄

In other words, it's irrelevant. 😀

 

[RogueRivered]

green line is the sum of the other two.

what you're saying is that you're doing fine if g = r+b > (r+b)/2. That's true because it's equivalent to g = r+b > 0, i.e. you're profiting. But that's a pretty convoluted way to look at it... 🙄

In other words, it's irrelevant. 😀

Well, yeah, when you say it like that. But I'm just looking at a picture. If I see the green is higher than midway, it's a quick way to see a profit. Actually less than half way could still be a profit, so maybe that's why it's irrelevant. (?)

But what about NSD winnings? Am I playing OK with it being so low? Does anyone have red lines that go up?

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Well, yeah, when you say it like that. But I'm just looking at a picture. If I see the green is higher than midway, it's a quick way to see a profit.

there's a black horizontal line labelled $0. That's the one you should compare with if you want to know if you're seeing a profit or not...

Actually less than half way could still be a profit

No. you can't have r+b < (r+b)/2 and still have r+b > 0. Think about it.

But what about NSD winnings? Am I playing OK with it being so low? Does anyone have red lines that go up?

I do when I play 8 tables or less. But most multitablers don't.

 

[Jurn8]

New question: Do you guys have a routine for playing? I know Chuck is pretty big about his routine, he just is bad about implementing it. Also I feel like I play better when i watch a DC vid or something prior to playing to get my head in the game. I don't do breathing excercises or anything though.

So what do you do?
Presession plan?
How long do you play for (# hands, timeframe, stoploss ideas etc)
How many tables do you play and why (not just because you can.)
Post session plan?


Also, if you do a review after each session walk us through it. Pretty sure after session review is one of my biggest leaks because honestly I dont know exactly what to be looking for.

I dont have a pre session plan or a post session plan its not fixed like I have to review 3 hands then clean the keyboard then grind. I usually review my hands and see if any of them can put into the HA part here or I put some into pokerstove and see if I played it correctly.
I usually like playing for 60 minutes tbh but If im running so hot I will play some more. I play 10/12 tables because its the optimum level for me personally, this way I can get a reasonable hands/hour but also play poker to the best of my ability.

Read presession then try to study my database to see how it relates to what I just read. Watching CC videos helps, too, if there are any new ones from the regulars. I usually play for 45-80 minutes, about the time my vision starts going cross-eyed. Most often play between 10-17 tables at 6-max with 14 about average. Try to get in at least 10 hands per minute played, i.e. 70 minutes, 700 hands, 50 minutes, 500 hands, etc. I play that many tables because it helps me avoid tilt to not look at the results. With only 4-8 tables, I can see what happens at showdown and it seriously affects me. I do much better not knowing until afterwards. After a session, I look at the results, including going through lost and won hands to see if I made the right plays according to the odds. Then I run some filters on the session to see how it compares to other sessions. I try to do this routine 2 to 3 times a day.

this at 6max wtf ! Surely you cant be thinking about your decisions and assigning ranges to villians etc etc 6max requires alot more thought about plays than FR because of there are alot more marginal spots.
I dont think you can play your A game play this many tables of 6max, iv heard its really tough to do 10 let alone 17.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

this at 6max wtf ! Surely you cant be thinking about your decisions and assigning ranges to villians etc etc 6max requires alot more thought about plays than FR because of there are alot more marginal spots.
I dont think you can play your A game play this many tables of 6max, iv heard its really tough to do 10 let alone 17.

+1

of course, as he's playing super micro stakes, he does not need to think about marginal spots. Just getting value from your big hands and folding everything else works fine.

Of course, you don't really learn and improve playing that kind of robotic poker, so it does not prepare you properly to move up, which is terrible in a long term perspective.

 

[Jurn8]

+1

of course, as he's playing super micro stakes, he does not need to think about marginal spots. Just getting value from your big hands and folding everything else works fine.

Of course, you don't really learn and improve playing that kind of robotic poker, so it does not prepare you properly to move up, which is terrible in a long term perspective.

Yeah you need to learn how to play the game and make decisions properly at the micros because its going to be such a benefit when your up at the low/mid stakes. If you choose to learn at the mid stakes its going to be so much more costly than to learn at the micros. You need to get into good playing habits sooner than later in terms of stakes.

 

[Jurn8]

Also little update to this thread about what I am up to.
Still at 50nl, just looked at how I am doing in terms of BB/100 and running overall at 2.84BB but take out my first losing shot and im running at 3.68BB since. Going goot think I am going to have my first 4 figure month as it stands now its a 1.3k month so providing no huge swong. Also made platty and looking to grind and buy my first bonus which will be the 650 one and hope to get the other two later on in the year.

Peace out micro's, nobody ever comments in here much anymore we need more discussion etc IMO like delta is doing!

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Also made platty and looking to grind and buy my first bonus which will be the 650 one and hope to get the other two later on in the year.

You're English, aren't you?

For the price of a $650 bonus (50k FPPs), you could get two 250 GBP amazon.co.uk gift certificates, which is worth $733 at the current exchange rate. And you don't even need to clear those.

 

[Jurn8]

Indeed I am english, Yeah however I don't need anything from amazon lol just want the cash tbh. Any other way of doing it or can you exchange the gift certificates for money with Amazon??

 

[slycbnew]

New question: Do you guys have a routine for playing? I know Chuck is pretty big about his routine, he just is bad about implementing it. Also I feel like I play better when i watch a DC vid or something prior to playing to get my head in the game. I don't do breathing excercises or anything though.

So what do you do?
Presession plan?
How long do you play for (# hands, timeframe, stoploss ideas etc)
How many tables do you play and why (not just because you can.)
Post session plan?


Also, if you do a review after each session walk us through it. Pretty sure after session review is one of my biggest leaks because honestly I dont know exactly what to be looking for.

Delta, good topic, hope others post, it's great to see how others plan.

I'm 4tabling or 6tabling 6max. Right now I'm 4tabling 25NL - not ready to 6table (which is what I was doing at 10NL).

I pick a couple of things I want to work on just before I start a session. My attempts to steal is a little on the low side, 27%, so this has been a primary thing for me lately. A second thing I'm working on lately is identifying all the fish at the table (say, 30+VPIP, less than 8 PFR) as quickly as I can so I can raise them virtually every chance I get, especially if they either have a high limp/fold pf and/or fold to cbets well (thanks dsvw).

I take breaks roughly every hour - if I go much longer than that, I start losing focus. This is recent for me, I used to just keep playing if I felt like it, and it's improved my sessions dramatically.

I need to work on postsession planning. I generally review the biggest losers of the session to see whether I was spewing, or if I had good reasons to play the hand the way I did. I sometimes note a specific hand I want to review afterwards if I think I didn't get the best value I could have (played it too slow/fast, whatever).

I need to start reviewing the middling hands postsession, where I'm losing or winning a little bit - I think I'm losing a lot of value there.

 

[BelgoSuisse]

Indeed I am english, Yeah however I don't need anything from amazon lol just want the cash tbh. Any other way of doing it or can you exchange the gift certificates for money with Amazon??

Don't think so. But i guess you can always trade with friends who would need to make purchases there.

I only play a small volume on stars, so i don't have a huge amount of FPPs to spend, and gift certificates are a great solution for me.

 

[Jurn8]

Yeah cool belgo, I play all of my poker on stars so it maybe a better option. Im planning on buying the 650, 1.5k and 4k bonuses with my fpps aswell as a security token so thats 406k fpps. Planning to make supernova but I dont have much of an idea when, I suppose it will depend how I do at 100NL tbh.

 

[Jagsti]

Can't they be sold on ebayaments?

Also, plz don't buy the $650 bonus if you can help it, it's really poor value!