**Official Micro Stakes Madness 5NL,10NL,25NL Focus Group**

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dg1267 said:
LMAO.....LOL.....LOLZ.....OMG!!!!!@!!!

Enty, you are a donk, my man!
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You should see my HEM stats. -$550 in 2009 so this is actually pretty plausible. 🙂

To MAT: You have some good ideas. IE: It's good to play solid ABC poker at micros, but you're ideas on some concepts are pretty damn screwy.

Try looking around the strategy section here to set you straight 🙂.
 
NineLions said:
Officially requesting to join the group.

I've gone to 10NL to work on my multitabling and HUD reading. 6 tables of FR, 470 hands today.
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8 sessions, 7 hours, gone from 6 to 8 tables.

- VPIP is high; got to stop being enticed by pot odds when half the table limps ahead,

- PFR is low; partly because I stopped open raising 88 and lower from early and middle position. I think I can add that back in again.

Also I'm not isolating or raising limpers yet will less than near-premium hands. That's where I need reads, of the limpers as well as the players behind and apparently I'm not comfortable relying on the HUD for that yet. Something to work on.


- bb/100 is sustainable? 🙄 😛
 

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NineLions said:
8 sessions, 7 hours, gone from 6 to 8 tables.

- VPIP is high; got to stop being enticed by pot odds when half the table limps ahead,

- PFR is low; partly because I stopped open raising 88 and lower from early and middle position. I think I can add that back in again.

Also I'm not isolating or raising limpers yet will less than near-premium hands. That's where I need reads, of the limpers as well as the players behind and apparently I'm not comfortable relying on the HUD for that yet. Something to work on.


- bb/100 is sustainable? 🙄 😛
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So are you open limping small pairs? If so you could lower your VPIP and raise your PFR at the same time by folding 66 down from UTG/UTG+1 while open raising everything better from EP and all pairs from MP.
 
*sigh* After reading all this I'm going to have to give in and get a HUD. I still feel they are a form of cheating but not having one puts me at a big disadvantage.
 
bubbasbestbabe said:
*sigh* After reading all this I'm going to have to give in and get a HUD. I still feel they are a form of cheating but not having one puts me at a big disadvantage.
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You could play at Cake. No HUDs there.
 
WVHillbilly said:
So are you open limping small pairs? If so you could lower your VPIP and raise your PFR at the same time by folding 66 down from UTG/UTG+1 while open raising everything better from EP and all pairs from MP.
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Not any more. 🙂

It was something I consciously decided to do for the last week while I added tables and while I got reaclimated to the 10NL high open call/call c-bet tendency. Now I'm back to raising them and tweaking my PFR and c-bet sizes, and getting the situations and results that I'm more used to.
 
When people are limp calling a lot isn't it better to raise you're pp up ?

Take it with a cbet even when u dont hit your set .. Since they are usually letting go on flop if their limp worthy hands don't hit.
 
dakota-xx said:
Okay - looks like I need some help on table selection lol. I got lucky last night and found 2 tables where the players were like putty in my hands and that was fun. I ended up 1 BI up at each table ($25NL). I need to learn how to seek these people out.

I guess I need to make my decision on PT or HEM soon. I dread the set-up so bad I just can't bring myself to do it. 🙁

Anyway - if I am not following the flow here in this thread I apologize - but I need to catch up on it after being gone a week. I wasn't playing too much cash before I left but plan on digging in now. So hopefully I will be spending some time in here with you guys. 🙂
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Set up is really not all that bad with HEM. Their FAQ's spell it out step by step....if I can set it up I know you can. (Welcome back by the way!)
 
eagle jim said:
Set up is really not all that bad with HEM. Their FAQ's spell it out step by step....if I can set it up I know you can. (Welcome back by the way!)
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dakota-xx said:
I guess I need to make my decision on PT or HEM soon. I dread the set-up so bad I just can't bring myself to do it. 🙁
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WB Dak.

EJ is right. I installed the demo. It's really not hard at all. You just have to wait a while for it to churn through your hand histories.

You do know there's a free HUD by the author of the HEM hud you can try if you want to practice a little first? 😉 It's called "Realtime HUD".
 
Well as it turns out school is a bigger bitch than expected, I've been at the computer not playing poker but studying for spanish for a few hours... so hopefully later on in the week I will be able to post strategy on set mining etc and maybe even get to play a hand or two
 
dakota-xx said:
Okay - looks like I need some help on table selection lol. I got lucky last night and found 2 tables where the players were like putty in my hands and that was fun. I ended up 1 BI up at each table ($25NL). I need to learn how to seek these people out.

I guess I need to make my decision on PT or HEM soon. I dread the set-up so bad I just can't bring myself to do it. 🙁

Anyway - if I am not following the flow here in this thread I apologize - but I need to catch up on it after being gone a week. I wasn't playing too much cash before I left but plan on digging in now. So hopefully I will be spending some time in here with you guys. 🙂
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Ok Debi for table selection right click on the average pot tab and click sort descending, then below select players/flop and then click descending. This will give you some nice juicy tables.

Also go for HEM IMO I have brought PT3+HEM and HEM has alot more stats + just alot better IMO!
 
Will anyone be up for a sweat session tomorrow around noon central time? I don't have skype, but I do have teamviewer and I could either download an IM program or I have alltel and we could do it over the phone if it's free for you.

I'm just really needing someone to help me lock down my game a bit.
 
I definitely agree that big Player to flop and Pot size numbers are important to good table selection, but there's definitely more to it than that. I make sure the average pot size >= 20bb's, and there is not more than one player who has less than 50bb.

After those qualities are met, I start to look at positioning of players at the table, and if I don't have the players in the positions I would like, I start searching for other tables.

There are so many really great games running pretty much 24/7 that there's no need to sit at just any table.
 
Mase31683 said:
I definitely agree that big Player to flop and Pot size numbers are important to good table selection, but there's definitely more to it than that. I make sure the average pot size >= 20bb's, and there is not more than one player who has less than 50bb.

After those qualities are met, I start to look at positioning of players at the table, and if I don't have the players in the positions I would like, I start searching for other tables.

There are so many really great games running pretty much 24/7 that there's no need to sit at just any table.
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my bad: forgot to add this. no more than 3 shortstackers per table and none to the left 3 seats of you as these we will be stealing from alot.
 
Hmm.. I was killing the short stackers last night. 🙂

Okay so here is my problem - I absolutely hate playing 6 max, so I avoid FR tables that have less than 7 or 8 players. I also hate deep stack. So it is all I can do to fly to a table that already has 8/9 and beat someone to the seat. I just tried looking at some of those table stats and the tables would disappear so fast it was ridiculous.

Do you guys get on wait lists when you find tables you like?
 
Did you try tableratings.com, dakota. That is another site that easily lets you spot really soft tables.
 
^^^
Doesnt work with <100nl

I click on the top table of my sorted list that has 8 players, open it up and look where the shortstackers are + how many. I hide full tables so i can see 8 seated tables.
 
Jurn, maybe we should post our articles as separate threads in learning poker and link to them here? That way they'll be open for discussion longer and more beginners can benefit from them.

...btw I said I wasn't going to be on the cpu, but I has the internet access afterall. Just been busy, I'll get on mine in next couple days.
 
D'wilius said:
Jurn, maybe we should post our articles as separate threads in learning poker and link to them here? That way they'll be open for discussion longer and more beginners can benefit from them.
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I think this is a great idea. That way it's a separate post and the discussion doesn't get lost.😀
 
Jagsti said:
TBH with you MAT, you haven't got a clue what your talking about. Your logic is completely flawed.
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My logic is completely flawed? I think not. You must not understand what I mean. "Mixing it up is fine at a cash table in postion with the likes of 10 9 suited or maybe J10 suited, betting massive on draws and that, but overbetting for the purpose of confusion usually leads to getting busted.

KK against AQ all in is brilliant but not on a flop. You want the money to go in but people wont call unless they have a hand (hopefully, ****ing hate getting called with the worst hand out for no reason at all). In a situation such as your opposition holding AK your laughing, AQ has alot more outs further down the line in comparison to AK. The point im trying to make is that KK isnt invincible and people, once again, overplay it but going to a flop with KK and being in a big pot, invites trouble.

Limp raiseing is very good on the small blind or the button. Someone with a hand will raise just behind the button to get the guy on the button to fold, thus gaining position in the hand. So you will be faced with a raise behind you and theres great potential to build a massive pot preflop,preferbally all in. Though if you limp on the button with KK, you want your opposition(being the big blind) think your weak. Hopefully he'll raise, if he does its perfect. Just go right back over the top and take the bet or go to showdown. Sometimes even limp raising early or middle position works well to.
 
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MATelford said:
My logic is completely flawed? I think not. You must not understand what I mean. "Mixing it up is fine at a cash table in postion with the likes of 10 9 suited or maybe J10 suited, betting massive on draws and that, but overbetting for the purpose of confusion usually leads to getting busted.

KK against AQ all in is brilliant but not on a flop. You want the money to go in but people wont call unless they have a hand (hopefully, ****ing hate getting called with the worst hand out for no reason at all). In a situation such as your opposition holding AK your laughing, AQ has alot more outs further down the line in comparison to AK. The point im trying to make is that KK isnt invincible and people, once again, overplay it but going to a flop with KK and being in a big pot, invites trouble.

Limp raiseing is very good on the small blind or the button. Someone with a hand will raise just behind the button to get the guy on the button to fold, thus gaining position in the hand. So you will be faced with a raise behind you and theres great potential to build a massive pot preflop,preferbally all in. Though if you limp on the button with KK, you want your opposition(being the big blind) think your weak. Hopefully he'll raise, if he does its perfect. Just go right back over the top and take the bet or go to showdown. Sometimes even limp raising early or middle position works well to.
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I want to make sure I understand what you are saying here.

Are you saying that you don't want to build a big pot with KK preflop because if an Ace hits on the flop you're usually beat?
 
WVHillbilly said:
I want to make sure I understand what you are saying here.

Are you saying that you don't want to build a big pot with KK preflop because if an Ace hits on the flop you're usually beat?
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Yes and no. Because you want the pot to be an agressive takedown style pot. They bet, you raise big position. That means there all in or folding. If you dont gather the correct momentum in the hand they will call and there is alot ways this player will call you. The first reason being the amount in the pot and if the find a flush/opened ended draw they could call. Im saying you want to build a huge pot and take it down preflop or all in. Unless your on the blind were you could check a free pot and trap with a monster or easily fold for free. No losing chips!🙄
 
Sorting Tables on Pokerstars

Jurn8 said:
Ok Debi for table selection right click on the average pot tab and click sort descending, then below select players/flop and then click descending. This will give you some nice juicy tables.
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In regard to sorting tables I do it a little differently.

I sort by # of players first so the full table are at the top

then I sort by Players to the flop to find the loosest tables

and then I sort by pot size

All in decending order

This way I can find the loosest full tables with big pots. I then just spam the waiting lists of the first 5-6 tables. I may then look for a loose 8 player table while I am waiting. Also I am updating my waiting every 15 minutes of so if I think my tables aren't very good or I spot a really juicy one. This is also a really easy way to spot bad multi-tablers.
 
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