**Official Micro Stakes Madness 5NL,10NL,25NL Focus Group**

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I don't have any pokertracker or oany software.So here some hands.

PokerStars Game #26192030032: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2009/03/21 5:23:31 ET
Table 'Epimetheus' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Macysath ($1.65 in chips)
Seat 2: Trimatrix ($6.27 in chips)
Seat 3: _S4_ ($1.45 in chips)
Seat 6: ZackK19 ($5 in chips)
Seat 7: voltio32 ($1.25 in chips)
Seat 8: avocong ($3.07 in chips)
Seat 9: Schwit23 ($3.28 in chips)
_S4_: posts small blind $0.01
ZackK19: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ZackK19 [Jh Ah]
voltio32: raises $0.46 to $0.48
avocong: folds
Schwit23: folds
Macysath: folds
Trimatrix: folds
_S4_: folds
ZackK19: raises $0.82 to $1.30
voltio32: calls $0.77 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.05) returned to ZackK19
*** FLOP *** [2s 7d 2c]
*** TURN *** [2s 7d 2c] [8c]
*** RIVER *** [2s 7d 2c 8c] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ZackK19: shows [Jh Ah] (a pair of Deuces)
voltio32: mucks hand
ZackK19 collected $2.41 from pot
voltio32 leaves the table



Next Hand

I don't know why this guy did'nt raise with AA he paid the price.

PokerStars Game #26192688243: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2009/03/21 6:09:22 ET
Table 'Alemannia' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: ergid ($1.57 in chips)
Seat 2: raven_393 ($3.20 in chips)
Seat 3: jekedawei' ($2.59 in chips)
Seat 4: rosebüschli ($2.71 in chips)
Seat 6: sakura1982 ($1 in chips)
Seat 7: ZackK19 ($5 in chips)
Seat 8: Kirre_01 ($4.65 in chips)
Seat 9: pecyna_1965 ($1.47 in chips)
rosebüschli: posts small blind $0.01
sakura1982: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ZackK19 [3d 3h]
ZackK19: calls $0.02
Kirre_01: folds
VVx[][][]xVV joins the table at seat #5
pecyna_1965 has timed out
pecyna_1965: folds
pecyna_1965 is sitting out
ergid: folds
pecyna_1965 has returned
raven_393: folds
jekedawei': folds
rosebüschli: calls $0.01
sakura1982: checks
*** FLOP *** [4d 3s Th]
rosebüschli: checks
sakura1982: bets $0.04
ZackK19: calls $0.04
rosebüschli: folds
*** TURN *** [4d 3s Th] [5h]
sakura1982: bets $0.06
ZackK19: raises $0.90 to $0.96
sakura1982: calls $0.88 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.02) returned to ZackK19
*** RIVER *** [4d 3s Th 5h] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sakura1982: shows [Ac Ad] (a pair of Aces)
ZackK19: shows [3d 3h] (three of a kind, Threes)
ZackK19 collected $1.92 from pot
 
orangepeeleo said:
How many tables do you play at a time?? I can play 6-8 FR but i gave 6max cash a shot last night, just opened up 3 straight away and done fine, nearly 4BI's @ 5nl over 400 hands. Can't see how anybody can play more than that though b/c it's so damn fast.

Gotta say, I think i'm converted though, i loved it, i felt like my edge was a lot bigger there than at full ring and it was just generally more fun lol, can't remember his exact stats now but getting someone on your right who's stl% = 80 and fold to 3b = 70 is always going to be fun lol
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I've done 25 tables at once and I prefer 6-max over FR. These are regular speed tables, though, and I have all the tables piled on top of each other, max size so I can read all my HEM stats. I think I could do 30 at a time -- it's like a video game! Has anyone tried this? Anything less than 14 tables seems really slow now. With 20 or more tables, anything longer than 90 minutes or so makes my head start to spin.
 
If you're playing on pokerstars that seems highly unlikely. And if it's 6max its a load of bull.
 
I thought PS had a limit as to the number of tables you could play, but I had it up to 24 at least and I think it let me add more. Counting the number of hands played during a minute in my database afterwards, most minutes had at least 20 hands. This is no lie; I'm using Table Ninja, so it does the betting for me. Mostly it's just fold, fold, fold. How long does that take? None at all. I should do a video, but I don't have a mic, so there would be no commentary, not that I could say much in such a short amount of time.
 
orangepeeleo said:
Gotta say, I think i'm converted though, i loved it, i felt like my edge was a lot bigger there than at full ring and it was just generally more fun lol
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I had the same reaction when I started playing 6max last month - I haven't tried FR since then, but from the FR tournaments I played this month, FR just seems so incredibly boring now... 😀

For the edge, it seems easier to me to be able to identify different players/styles in 6max, probably simply because there are fewer players to track on the table. Table dynamics as a whole are easier for me to pick up on as well. Turning up the aggression factor and opening up the range of opening hands you play is also just plain fun.

I'm 4tabling 6max, I think I could manage 6 tables but I'm not eager to try it yet (and I need a bigger monitor to even try)...
 
RogueRivered said:
I thought PS had a limit as to the number of tables you could play, but I had it up to 24 at least and I think it let me add more. Counting the number of hands played during a minute in my database afterwards, most minutes had at least 20 hands. This is no lie; I'm using Table Ninja, so it does the betting for me. Mostly it's just fold, fold, fold. How long does that take? None at all. I should do a video, but I don't have a mic, so there would be no commentary, not that I could say much in such a short amount of time.
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It is 24, hence saying you were playing 25 and want to play 30 is pretty ridiculous 🙂
Plus I think most 6max players would agree 6max is much more than just folding except for the premium hands. That's more FR. The whole thing of 6max is you can play a lot more hands and be more loose preflop.
 
Yo Yo Yo!! Micro Grinders hows everybody doing?

Assignments suck so bad! However I am currently having a session, 2nd ina bout 10 days now lol ! only played 14k this month but im going to make it to ~35k as I have from the 26th free so will be playing 24/7 wahoo !!!

Cmon the villa tomorrow aswell !!
 
Just not getting in enough hands still. Been busy with work and getting my pilot stuff all done. On top of that I'm running like C.R.A.P, but still managing 4.59bb/100. Hope I can get more time in soon.
 
eNTy said:
It is 24, hence saying you were playing 25 and want to play 30 is pretty ridiculous 🙂
Plus I think most 6max players would agree 6max is much more than just folding except for the premium hands. That's more FR. The whole thing of 6max is you can play a lot more hands and be more loose preflop.
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It's kind of hard to count the tables while you're playing. They scrolled off the window of HEM's table manager, but I thought I counted more than 24. Could be that I was waiting on a table or two and then closed another one that fell apart before I passed 24. If so, that's good -- I don't have to worry about adding any more -- and I know I can handle 24.

I'm definitely not just folding at 6 max, but there are many times when you can just fold 4 or 5 tables in quick succession. When I try to tile tables, I get really confused with only 5 or 6 open. It's much nicer to have the window large and automatically pop up when it's my turn -- I hardly have to move my mouse at all and don't have to adjust my vision to other parts of the screen.

I'm just wondering if anyone else plays like this, and if there's anything you can see wrong with it. The main thing that I look for is my position and who has limped or raised. I also have time to check steal percentages. Beyond that, I never look again at a folded hand, my raised hands don't reappear unless they are called or reraised, and I rarely see who wins the showdown. All I can see is whether my stack is getting larger and who won the last three pots (HEM setting). I've been doing this for less than 2 months now, and between 1-2NL and 2-5NL, I'm winning around 20BB/100.
 
zachvac said:
To expand on what Belgo said, think of if you get money in as an 80% favorite. Even though you got it in good, it's still a suckout when you win as you were supposed to only win 80% of the pot but you won 100% of it.
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LOL.

I understand equity. (Or in this case all-in EV) but that is still a depressing way to describe it.
 
Finally conquered my fear of 10nl (and introduce myself to Full Ring). Things are going quite well. Hopefully will be playing 25nl in less than a month. Also, silverstar next month for sure. Finally moving up in the world, guys. 🙂

Any of youz guys wanna sweat me for 10nl sometime next week? I'd especially like to get some tips from some of you FR doodz (Jurn, Shrog, Icemonkey, Belgo, Zach, etc.) Did I just list half the forum? lol
 
kleitches said:
Finally conquered my fear of 10nl (and introduce myself to Full Ring). Things are going quite well. Hopefully will be playing 25nl in less than a month. Also, silverstar next month for sure. Finally moving up in the world, guys. 🙂

Any of youz guys wanna sweat me for 10nl sometime next week? I'd especially like to get some tips from some of you FR doodz (Jurn, Shrog, Icemonkey, Belgo, Zach, etc.) Did I just list half the forum? lol
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Glad to see you made the move up. 25NL by the end of the month, imo.
 
Iv made the same amount of money this month already and have only played 10 days of the month and 14k hands! WTF!...

Up ~12 BI's so far... Cmon the Villa today aswell!!

Enty WTF how have you wiped your roll down like that?
 
Jurn8 said:
Iv made the same amount of money this month already and have only played 10 days of the month and 14k hands! WTF!...

Up ~12 BI's so far... Cmon the Villa today aswell!!

Enty WTF how have you wiped your roll down like that?
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50nl HU vs fish. See march thread.
 
I'm at the same place as kleitches, moving to 10nl after cashing down to $100 beginning of the month...actually we ran into each other the other day. I use to play 5nl with 100+ buyins 🙄 but I'm going to try the BRM up/down plan now that I've quit tournaments. Have 24 buyins for 10nl atm, going to try to chase dsvw, although I'm sure I won't keep pace. Haven't had time to play lately, but I will for next few weeks. Also 6 tabling 6max when I'm not posting here.
 
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D'wilius said:
I'm at the same place as kleitches, moving to 10nl after cashing down to $100 beginning of the month...actually we ran into each other the other day. I use to play 5nl with 100+ buyins 🙄 but I'm going to try the BRM up/down plan now that I've quit tournaments. Have 24 buyins for 10nl atm, going to try to chase dsvw, although I'm sure I won't keep pace. Haven't had time to play lately, but I will for next few weeks. Also 6 tabling 6max when I'm not posting here.
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Better pick up the pace if you wanna chase me. 😎
 
RogueRivered said:
It's kind of hard to count the tables while you're playing. They scrolled off the window of HEM's table manager, but I thought I counted more than 24. Could be that I was waiting on a table or two and then closed another one that fell apart before I passed 24. If so, that's good -- I don't have to worry about adding any more -- and I know I can handle 24.

I'm definitely not just folding at 6 max, but there are many times when you can just fold 4 or 5 tables in quick succession. When I try to tile tables, I get really confused with only 5 or 6 open. It's much nicer to have the window large and automatically pop up when it's my turn -- I hardly have to move my mouse at all and don't have to adjust my vision to other parts of the screen.

I'm just wondering if anyone else plays like this, and if there's anything you can see wrong with it. The main thing that I look for is my position and who has limped or raised. I also have time to check steal percentages. Beyond that, I never look again at a folded hand, my raised hands don't reappear unless they are called or reraised, and I rarely see who wins the showdown. All I can see is whether my stack is getting larger and who won the last three pots (HEM setting). I've been doing this for less than 2 months now, and between 1-2NL and 2-5NL, I'm winning around 20BB/100.
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24 tabling 6max is just ****ing insane I'd imagine. I regularly 24 tabled FR which was fine, but 6max would be crazy.
 
Here a nice hand with the check raise.

PokerStars Game #26263265553: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2009/03/23 2:18:24 ET
Table 'Athalia' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: blasko817 ($2.97 in chips)
Seat 3: ZackK19 ($6.42 in chips)
Seat 4: kemzone ($2.85 in chips)
Seat 5: thor187 ($3.82 in chips)
Seat 6: sarahaiaini ($0.98 in chips)
Seat 8: cathyd08 ($2.03 in chips)
ShayMac21 [observer] said, "what u doing with your find user off"
buddyluv44 leaves the table
sarahaiaini: posts small blind $0.01
HulaPie: is sitting out
cathyd08: posts big blind $0.02
blasko817 said, "r u tryin to sneak in here so you can take all my moneys again"
gnom007: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ZackK19 [Jd Ah]
HulaPie leaves the table
ShayMac21 [observer] said, "up to something naughty"
blasko817: folds
ZackK19: raises $0.06 to $0.08
ShayMac21 joins the table at seat #7
kemzone: calls $0.08
blasko817 said, "lol"
thor187: calls $0.08
sarahaiaini: folds
cathyd08 said, "didnt know it was off"
cathyd08: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h Jc Tc]
ShayMac21 said, "lol"
ZackK19: checks
kemzone: bets $0.17
thor187: calls $0.17
ShayMac21 said, "yeah i hear ya"
ZackK19: raises $6.17 to $6.34 and is all-in
kemzone: calls $2.60 and is all-in
blasko817 said, "lol"
cathyd08 said, "be quiet fred"
Luvdtrips joins the table at seat #2
ShayMac21 said, "lol"
thor187: calls $3.57 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($2.60) returned to ZackK19
*** TURN *** [3h Jc Tc] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [3h Jc Tc 6h] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ZackK19: shows [Jd Ah] (a pair of Jacks)
thor187: mucks hand
ZackK19 collected $1.84 from side pot
kemzone: shows [2c Qc] (high card Queen)
ShayMac21 said, "i dont blame ya been there done that"
ZackK19 collected $8.18 from main pot
ShayMac21 said, "LMAO"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.52 Main pot $8.18. Side pot $1.84. | Rake $0.50
Board [3h Jc Tc 6h 9d]
Seat 1: blasko817 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ZackK19 showed [Jd Ah] and won ($10.02) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: kemzone showed [2c Qc] and lost with high card Queen
Seat 5: thor187 (button) mucked [3c Kc]
Seat 6: sarahaiaini (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: cathyd08 (big blind) folded before Flop
 
I had a reasonably good week this past week playing 25NL 6max, up about 7 BI's (but not at a great winrate, just 2.35 BB/100). I'm still recovering from a bad first two weeks, but light is at the end of the tunnel.

I'm attaching my graphs from the past 8 days. The money won for hands played graph is super swingy, and that other than a real hot run from hand 8700 to 9700, I'm not really making positive progress.

The money won sd/non-sd shows that I'm steadily losing money when I'm not in a sd. Is this the blinds, or are these my steal attempts gone bad? My att to steal is only 28% over this time period, my 3bet % is 3.8, and my AF is a sucky 1.79.

Any thoughts on what I should be looking at in my database for improvements? Thanks
 

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3 days until assignment hand in - I shall be back to the tables and CC properly on Thursday Wooo!!
 
slycbnew said:
Any thoughts on what I should be looking at in my database for improvements? Thanks
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Go to the positions report and add w$woSD stat. Make sure you are winning a significant amount in nsd in LP. In Utg + Mp you should not be losing a lot money there, ideally it should be slightly positive.

If these numbers are negative in anywhere but the blinds, try running the cbet filter, and then the coldcall filter and see what shows up.
 
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Jagsti said:
24 tabling 6max is just ****ing insane I'd imagine. I regularly 24 tabled FR which was fine, but 6max would be crazy.
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I don't know. I've never tried at FR, but looking back at my database, I see that I've done 24 tables at 6 max only once for about 80 minutes, and at least 20 tables a few other times. I guess the main weakness with this system is I get tired quickly. I can play a lot longer with 14 or so tables (and keep a better winrate). It's fun to push the limits, though.

I really see no point in watching flops on hands you've folded and say, wow, I would have had a full-house if I didn't fold. So I've unchecked the Show Folded Hands option in PokerStars. I don't want to be tempted to sneak a peak at what I missed. If folding was right before the flop, then it was right, period.

Same goes for seeing the showdown. It's not necessary. Whether you made a good play or a bad play, it doesn't matter. You can use your database to figure that all out later after the session. I learned that on here (CC). Divorce yourself from the results, but analyze your play afterwards to try to improve future decisions.

It's very easy to play 10 tables with this system, even 14 seems slow after doing 20+.
 
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