**Official Micro Stakes Madness 5NL,10NL,25NL Focus Group**

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Richyl2008 said:
Go to the positions report and add w$woSD stat. Make sure you are winning a significant amount in nsd in LP. In Utg + Mp you should not be losing a lot money there, ideally it should be slightly positive.

If these numbers are negative in anywhere but the blinds, try running the cbet filter, and then the coldcall filter and see what shows up.
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Thanks Richy. Are you using HEM? PT3 has a filter for won$SD for the positions report, but I can't find one for won$woSD.

I'm going to talk out loud here about what I've found, in case anyone has further suggestions at what I should be looking at, or sees something interesting in these numbers. The numbers here don't exactly match the graphs I posted earlier in the thread - I played a few more hands after that and am up another 2 BI's.

I tried manually deriving a w$woSD, since I can't find a filter for it in PT3 - i.e., compare my actuals to W$SD. If I add what I won in total on the button and CO ($285.96), and what I won at SD ($221.78) for those positions, is my W$woSD from those positions $64.18? If that's correct, I wouldn't think this qualifies as a significant amount? The numbers are ghastly from the blinds.

I win from the CO more than anywhere else, then the HJ, then the button, UTG, SB, and finally BB. This surprises me a little, would think the button would be most profitable - is this weird? This has been consistent for me since I started playing 6max last month. My VPIP/PFR for all positions is:

Button - 25.58/19.38
1 - 22.11/19.09
2 - 16.29/15.25
3 - 17.04/16.64
BB - 11.21/3.74
SB - 17.12/11.82

My flop cbet% over this range of hands is 59.92 with a success rate (everyone folded) of 49.51%. I think these are reasonable?

FWIW, the change in my cbet% (was 80%), and my new found ability to not call pretty cards OOP to a pf raise, are directly a result of help from c9 - these two changes are, I think, responsible for my March turnaround. Mucho gracias to c9!

Calling on the flop looks ok, I think ($225.42), but the turn and river calls look bad ($40.22 and -$313.96 respectively). My AF is terrible on the river (1.53, overall AF is 1.83), it looks like I'm calling a lot of TPTK hands on the river.
 
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I agree with earlier posts. 3bets are often a sure tell.. especially if you've played with them for a while. Need to vary the raise.
 
lcid86 said:
I agree with earlier posts. 3bets are often a sure tell.. especially if you've played with them for a while. Need to vary the raise.
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Umm, I'm not sure where that refers back to, but it sounds like you mean a raise that is 3 times the big blind, which is not what 3bet refers to. A 3 bet is the third level of betting; big blind's post is level one, a raise is level two, a raise of the raise is level three, or a 3 bet.
 
D'wilius said:
Yeah, I think we should start a new one, maybe reiterate some guidelines to stay focused? I mean, How big can we let this thread get...
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It's fine for me as it is, but I just click go to latest unread post, but I don't know how someone new would look at this.

I guess that's one of the reasons that any analysis/discussion of value should be posted outside this thread, because it gets lost in here, but stuff of value would still get lost even if new threads are started every month because of all the more general discussion swamping it.
 
slycbnew said:
Thanks Richy. Are you using HEM? PT3 has a filter for won$SD for the positions report, but I can't find one for won$woSD.

Yeah i use hem. Been a while since I used pt3, but i'm pretty sure there is a went to showdown= false filter that you can run.

I'm going to talk out loud here about what I've found, in case anyone has further suggestions at what I should be looking at, or sees something interesting in these numbers. The numbers here don't exactly match the graphs I posted earlier in the thread - I played a few more hands after that and am up another 2 BI's.

I tried manually deriving a w$woSD, since I can't find a filter for it in PT3 - i.e., compare my actuals to W$SD. If I add what I won in total on the button and CO ($285.96), and what I won at SD ($221.78) for those positions, is my W$woSD from those positions $64.18? If that's correct, I wouldn't think this qualifies as a significant amount? The numbers are ghastly from the blinds.

Fwiw my w$wosd on the co and button is almost twice as high than my showdown winnings in those positions, from constantly stealing and cbetting. It should be a decent percentage of your profits there

I win from the CO more than anywhere else, then the HJ, then the button, UTG, SB, and finally BB. This surprises me a little, would think the button would be most profitable - is this weird? This has been consistent for me since I started playing 6max last month. My VPIP/PFR for all positions is:

Button - 25.58/19.38 You should be able to open up a little more often here
1 - 22.11/19.09
2 - 16.29/15.25
3 - 17.04/16.64 This is a pretty wide utg range even more hands than the hijack? See how your doing in this position, overall winrate/nsd winnings.
BB - 11.21/3.74 Too much cold calling IMO, 3bet more or fold, unless you know which flops you are going to ch/raise bluff or semibluff on against someone that opens a wide range and cbets a ton. Dont setmine against wide LP openers unless thier really spewwy. Filter for calling in the BB and see what it says.
SB - 17.12/11.82

My flop cbet% over this range of hands is 59.92 with a success rate (everyone folded) of 49.51%. I think these are reasonable?

You should be able to cbet profitably more often than this, 2/3 pot cbet only has to work ~40% of the time. Try to find a good reason why NOT to cbet. Somewhere between 65-75 I think should be pretty ideal at 25nl

FWIW, the change in my cbet% (was 80%), and my new found ability to not call pretty cards OOP to a pf raise, are directly a result of help from c9 - these two changes are, I think, responsible for my March turnaround. Mucho gracias to c9!

Calling on the flop looks ok, I think ($225.42), but the turn and river calls look bad ($40.22 and -$313.96 respectively). My AF is terrible on the river (1.53, overall AF is 1.83), it looks like I'm calling a lot of TPTK hands on the river.
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That is all i can think of at the moment, would be interested to hear if anyone else has any input or obvservations.
 
Anyone interested in reviewing some painful hands for me? Bad session, and I don't want to dig for the worst ones to post in their own thread.

I'd like to just pull the biggest loses again, with stats and send to someone(s) for critique.


Let me know, here, or better yet, PM.
 
NineLions said:
Anyone interested in reviewing some painful hands for me? Bad session, and I don't want to dig for the worst ones to post in their own thread.

I'd like to just pull the biggest loses again, with stats and send to someone(s) for critique.


Let me know, here, or better yet, PM.
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6m or FR? I'll do it if it's 6m.
 
My first posted graph since starting to play cash games 6 weeks ago. Looks like I've played about 35 hours this month so far, probably averaging around 14 tables at a time at 2 and 5nl. Having fun so far.🙂
 

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Is this thread being made into a monthly one next month?? Its kinda slipped off the radar in the past few days, it's an awesome thread (and one of the main reasons behind my switch to cash) and it'd be a shame to let it fade away, a monthly thread would be fresher and more appealing to newer members, rather than going through the huge amounts of pages it has now.

I know this has been spoken about before but the end of the month is nigh and i thought id bring it up again.
 
RogueRivered said:
My first posted graph since starting to play cash games 6 weeks ago. Looks like I've played about 35 hours this month so far, probably averaging around 14 tables at a time at 2 and 5nl. Having fun so far.🙂
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Really nice graph, the more so since you've only been playing cash the last 6 weeks!!!
 
Is there any way we can do monthly housekeeping (cleaning) on the thread and remove the fluff and leave the good stuff in place (I realize that requires a mod to delete what is fluff in their judgement- one man's fluff is another man's treasure) or would that be more trouble than its worth.
 
Adding to Jim's request, it would be nice if this could happen, and if maybe a member that posts frequently in this thread could be given permission to delete said "fluff" that would be great.

If that's possible, we could post a list of peeps that would be willing to do this.
 
Even getting rid of the 'fluff' (I think that means shite!) it would still be a gazillion pages long. It's either continue as is, or start a new one each month imo.

Probably best starting a new one each month is probably best I think!
 
Does this position report look reasonable compared to your stats? I find it funny that the position numbers are so close. Is my BB of -29.70bb/100 reasonable? This is for March at 2nl and 5nl 6max.
 

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Agree about starting a new thread guys thats cool.

Rogue you cant really tell anything from that I dont think you need your vpip and pfr from position to show how it affects your BB/100
 
Jurn8 said:
Rogue you cant really tell anything from that I dont think you need your vpip and pfr from position to show how it affects your BB/100
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Well, I'm only 11.4/7.3 in the big blind and 24.8/14.2 on the button, with a gradual increase in both in between.
 
yeah thats what you need to see what the increases are dude. Also 24/14, I play FR so not sure if this is correct for 6max but 24/20 is about what FR OTB needs to be so 6max should probs be alot higher so you need your PFR higher.

Whats standard for 6max, 6max dudes?
 
slycbnew said:
Thanks Richy. Are you using HEM? PT3 has a filter for won$SD for the positions report, but I can't find one for won$woSD.
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Richy, I finally found the filter (it's the same flag in the filter as the won$SD, except put a NOT condition on it - duh duh duh).

Really appreciate you pointing this out, think I see what the problems are - I'm calling too much when I get 3bet and when someone starts betting into me/raising my cbets.

Thanks!
 
Rogue - you should be winning a lot more from the btn/co compared to early position. In terms of $ I mean. You probably have a small hand sample tbh. Also 24/14 from the btn is probably quite tight for 6max.
 
Okay, if we can't delete the fluff/chit (which I know is a little unreasonable) I'm for starting anew.
 
Would be nice to have a separate micro subforum to post these type of threads in.


*Hint*Hint*Hint!
 
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