Thinking in Ranges (Day 3 Course Discussion)

jkersten said:

Nowadays it is not wise to put an opponent on one hand from the start, but on the river players can make a good estimate of which hands the opponent might have.

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mandachuva said:

On day 3 of the book, the book says that we must always put our villains in various types of hands, since we already know that the villain can have several types of combinations, and we must think about which hand to put him ... always placing him with several different types of hands and thinking at intervals before taking any action
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ScoobyEdu said:

I loved the class.
I didn't know what the quiz was and I was really curious about the outcome of that hand ...
My question for that day is:
- While I don't have any notes from a player, can I put him in a wider range and according to the moves and showdowns to adjust?

- What is the best way to study the ranges?

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Csupiba said:

One of my biggest frustrations with range reading is removing too many hands from the range based on a passive action.

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Johnny78B said:

This is very useful chapter Collin and Katie, and very help to player when you know the theory of range of hands, and know how to use it. But, as Collin mentioned above, do not forget it is not exact science and you can not to be sure how players will act, even tight players bluffing sometimes. But anyway it help you much.

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Katie Dozier said:

That’s great to hear, thanks so much!

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Pichman189 said:

Most often on the turn, I already know 90% of my opponent's range. What a sadness that 10% are playing passively and waiting for the river. I lost 90% of yesterday's hands exclusively on the river. But I play aggressive poker. What am I doing wrong? Ok I'll give you an example. I have two threes. and I go into the game with UPG limping (without raising) Villain calls. comes out 3 4 6. I have a set of 3s, my opponent has two pairs 4 and 6 + flash draw. I bet 50% of the pot. Villain all in. i'm all in too. turn: an ace that won't improve my opponent's hand to a flush - i almost won, but the river makes his hand to a flush. I thought he had a maximum of a set of 4 or a set of 6 or two aces / kings / queens. Tell me should I go allin or should I fold, did I play right or shouldn't I risk it?

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Pichman189 said:

Do you like 4bet opponents when have a pair of acec on preflop? And do you like to go to showdown ot it depends of situation?
I know many good players, who dont want to fold with two aces)
Is it easy to fold with them?

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Collin Moshman said:

Getting it all-in with bottom set sounds very reasonable. You took a bad beat which is never fun, but stay decision-oriented and the results will come!




Usually you should always re-open the betting pre-flop with AA. So if somebody 3-bets you and you have AA, then it's usually correct to 4-bet so that you build up the pot and have a chance of getting it in when your equity is the highest.

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Pichman189 said:

Аfter the bad beats I start to play too aggressively and it does not affect my playing in the best way. 5 bad beats in a row can throw even a great professional off balance. I have a set on the flop and Villain improves his hand on the river with 15 percent equity on the turn. It is very sad. I want to catch upstreak at last

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Katie Dozier said:

If possible, try not to watch the runouts. That will make it way easier to focus on the percent versus just “deserving to win” if that makes sense. (Like getting it in with an overpair pre having the thought be—“great! I got it in as an 80% favorite here!”)

We have to work as hard as we need to in order to get to the point where we continue to play our best when we take a bad beat, as our response to getting sucked out on can quickly become worse than the suck out itself. Not to mention that we can’t control the cards that come, but can control (or at least improve!) our response. It does get easier as time goes on

Hope this helps and that your luck turns around soon [emoji4]

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Collin Moshman said:

Yes, or more accurately, you need to use all of the information you have which sometimes will just be from the start.

For example:

Your opponent is in the big blind at the start of the hand. Range: Any Two Cards

He calls a min-raise from the button. Range: Most Hands Besides Junk and Premium Hands He'd Have Reraised with

And if the hand gets to the river we get the best and most narrow range possible with those additional actions.

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Pichman189 said:

Thanks for the advice! I find it easier for me to deal with bad beats when I have a lot of money in my account) If I'm playing a buy-in tournament. I immediately think that it’s okay that I was knocked out of the tournament. I will play 100 more tournaments and maybe I will win 1 of them) But this probably comes from the correct bankroll management, am I right?

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Collin Moshman said:

Pichman, the correct answer in terms of the range I like best to put him on was: JJ QQ KK AA and AK. If you mean what did he actually have, I believe the answer is that he held AKs.

Hope that helps!

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Pichman189 said:

Wow, after a week of intensive training in your course, I understand how important it is to think in ranges. I am deliberately in no hurry to finish the course, I want to digest all the information and be sure that I understand exactly what I need to win at least freerolls.

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