Is Online Poker Rigged?

pokerakne · Dec 24, 2018

As a programmer myself i don't think it is rigged simply due to the following reason:

Let's take pokerstars, it's a winning business, they make money through rake. Full Stop.
No one sane would risk that.

Beside that, writing a sufficient cryptographically secure (pseudo) random number generator can be done with one line of code. Rigging it (good) on the other side would take alot more effort (and thus money) while simultaneously risking the business.

I fail to believe that, at least the big ones are that stupid.

MemphisGrind · Dec 24, 2018

pokerakne said:
As a programmer myself i don't think it is rigged simply due to the following reason:

Let's take Pokerstars, it's a winning business, they make money through rake. Full Stop.
No one sane would risk that.

Beside that, writing a sufficient cryptographically secure (pseudo) random number generator can be done with one line of code. Rigging it (good) on the other side would take alot more effort (and thus money) while simultaneously risking the business.

I fail to believe that, at least the big ones are that stupid.

I feel the same. Collusion happens I'm sure, and bots. but a "rigged" random number generator would RUIN a business. Glad to hear someone "in the business" add their thoughts on this.

kam1kadzee · Dec 24, 2018

Debi said:
A lot of player

What are your thoughts?

No offense to anyone, but my opinion is following : Stop making excuses for poor desicions, be humble, admit yours and work on them. Otherwise poker gonna always be rigged for ya

Of course there was for sure rigged sites etc, but when it comes to the big ones, I highly doubt it. Bots may appear for sure, but again, if your decision making is top notch I believe quite unlikely you are going to loose lots of money to that bot at that particular table. And there's many bots out there who gladly gonna give their money away as well so overall I think a good player will stay financially positive any way.

kraurwhite · Dec 24, 2018

Mycetism said:
Well sometimes you feel like it's rigged but it's probably just weird randomness. Sometime it's more like the whole universe is against you (which is very probable). And you end up wondering : what wrong have I done to deserve this ?! You know when you have that ace flush and end up losing against the straight flush. It just happens. Not every AA is victorious. And sometimes it just feel stupid when you have KK against KK and still lose because your opponent end up with the flush. I've made bad decision with win, good decision with lost. You know it's just poker. I mean I am playing freeroll only I am a very bad costumer for them playing for fun and I've never put money into my account but I still finish first sometime often on the last table, you would imagine they wouln't let me finish 1st if I have never contributed to the house. But it happenned, so it's not rigged, it's just randomly random.

I have played online poker for many years just for fun but lost lots over the years.In my opinion poker stars is rigged the money just get moved from player to player till poker star get every penny with the 10% playing fee.
The big stack will win more often than lose in all in hands, spin n go gives the advantage to the person who lost the previous hand. Everyone has their own opinion
Do you know anyone who wins and is in the black. I don,t

Debi said:
A lot of players make this claim when they suffer a series of bad beats - we get our share of them around here.

Let's have a serious discussion about it. Read this article:

Is online poker safe or rigged?

There is some really good information in that article that explains some of the misconceptions players have.

The thing I see the most is players having a bad day or even a bad week - or they are making a lot of wrong decisions - and they instantly think the game is cheating them.

They will post hands and say "No way should this happen!" - and I know instantly they have never played live poker. I have been playing live poker for about 10 years and I have seen it all happen in a situation where it can not possibly be rigged.

What are your thoughts?

(ps - this is not the place to post your bad beat hands!)

check out some of the thing said n the net about online poker rigged or not.
Do sites have bots'?

Debi said:
A lot of players make this claim when they suffer a series of bad beats - we get our share of them around here.

Let's have a serious discussion about it. Read this article:

Is online poker safe or rigged?

There is some really good information in that article that explains some of the misconceptions players have.

The thing I see the most is players having a bad day or even a bad week - or they are making a lot of wrong decisions - and they instantly think the game is cheating them.

They will post hands and say "No way should this happen!" - and I know instantly they have never played live poker. I have been playing live poker for about 10 years and I have seen it all happen in a situation where it can not possibly be rigged.

What are your thoughts?

(ps - this is not the place to post your bad beat hands!)

I read an artikle from a software engineer the is sure that the RCG the random card giver machines can be manipulated.

viamex · Dec 25, 2018

ITS RIGGED FOR 100%

of course online poker is rigged because its more profitable.
How can you lose 90% of all-ins against 1 person having better hand nearly all the time?
and this is not 1 day or week or 1 month. Its like that for many many years without any break. So? Who is trying to scam us players if not poker rooms?? huh??

Ax always lose to a pair, but when you have a pair, then it always loses to Ax.
Ax always lose to Kx, but when you have Kx it loses to Ax etc. Come on, big big scam.

Debi said:
A lot of players make this claim when they suffer a series of bad beats - we get our share of them around here.

Let's have a serious discussion about it. Read this article:

Is online poker safe or rigged?

There is some really good information in that article that explains some of the misconceptions players have.

The thing I see the most is players having a bad day or even a bad week - or they are making a lot of wrong decisions - and they instantly think the game is cheating them.

They will post hands and say "No way should this happen!" - and I know instantly they have never played live poker. I have been playing live poker for about 10 years and I have seen it all happen in a situation where it can not possibly be rigged.

What are your thoughts?

(ps - this is not the place to post your bad beat hands!)

steve22055 · Dec 25, 2018

I hear people whine constantly about the site being rigged because they got beat by lesser starting hands. The funny part is when they win, they boast about how great of a poker player they are while playing on the same suspect "rigged site". We play a huge amount of hands on-line and the variance will be a lot higher because of that and the fact that there are so many lag players in many of the games. I don't believe the sites are rigged and until someone can show me "real: proof, I don't believe it.

viamex · Dec 25, 2018

all true

Nikolay

you are right, the room you mean I think is pokerstars. I never heard a good word about pokerstars! Why? cause its 100% rigged. However, the biggest joke is poker deluxe, its not poker really, its pseudo poker, try for fun for free, and you will see how you lose 95% hands no matter what cards you have! even if you had AA every hand, playing all in against 1 person (bot), you will lose 95%+ times!!!!! enjoy!

Nikolay Nakhaev said:
there are unprincipled rooms, there are scammers
fraud in deposits and withdrawals, the use of bots
about one such room almost all the reviews are negative

Mustafajones · Dec 25, 2018

RNG!

I do not think that online poker is rigged. With this being said; If people do not have much experience with the RNG element of games then it may appear to be so.

I gained my experience with the RNG element playing games like WoW and trying on numerous occasions to get this one piece of gear and then someone comes in and gets it the first time through. It is a hard pill to swallow especially after you have put in so much time and effort in being a better player.

I think the important thing would be to learn what I am trying to learn about pot odds and pot equity so that you limit how many hands you leave to the RNG gods!

Nikolay Nakhaev · Dec 25, 2018

viamex said:
Nikolay

you are right, the room you mean I think is pokerstars. I never heard a good word about pokerstars! Why? cause its 100% rigged. However, the biggest joke is poker deluxe, its not poker really, its pseudo poker, try for fun for free, and you will see how you lose 95% hands no matter what cards you have! even if you had AA every hand, playing all in against 1 person (bot), you will lose 95%+ times!!!!! enjoy!

Hello my friend.
I have nothing against PS.
There are enough new rooms, where not everything is in order.
I heard a lot that in the room Asia J88 is easy to use bots, and no one is struggling with this .. There are several rooms with the same position

FirstBloodJR · Dec 28, 2018

Rigged (maybe)

Hello, everyone!

I almost feel bad daring write this title in view of the majority's opinion that sites like Pokerstars are legit. I understand the arguments put forward in that members believe that all of the bad beats and stuff can be explained by variance. However, if you ever do a comparative study of online and real hands, please include in your study how many times a second player will get a pocket pair when one player already has one.

There are many reasons why I have doubts about the fairness of the RNG in online poker but this is a biggie. My experience, in Pokerstars at least, is that if I get a pocket pair, there seems to be an incredibly high probability (against all odds) that another player will have one. Just yesterday, I lost three all in pocket pair bid (in three different games) to a higher pocket pair. It is to the point that, now, when I get a pocket pair, I automatically assume that someone else will have one and it is amazing how often I am right. Has anybody else experienced that aspect of the game on Pokerstars? It is to the point, for me, that it has taken the fun out of the game because it is so hard to trust the odds on this site. So, if you ever do that study, make sure to include that variable please.

Have a wonderful poker day

FloppyNutzs said:
I'm actually a software engineer. While I have never wrote code for poker platform, I would refuse to write any kind of code that would "rig" a game or hand.

Personally I don't feel like online poker is rigged. I've played enough live poker to see the same things live.

When I play online, I might play anywhere from 1 game to up to 6 or more.
Even just playing at one table online you are probably seeing twice the hands as in live play. So, we are just seeing more hands and seeing more of the 1-5 out rivers or runner runners that statically should not happen very often. As humans those anomalies tend to stick out more than when the cards seem to be running normal.

To prove the online game is rigged you just need a large enough sample of hands and use some software to analyze it. The proof or lack of of is in the data.

I would love to see some break downs of 1 million plus hands from online vs live games to see how the compare.

kristersb123 · Dec 28, 2018

I think online poker isn't rigged, there is one question - why would they do that? They are earning money by making tournaments and scamming would lose people who plays etc.. There is no need to them to scam

Pete Ski · Dec 28, 2018

As long as there is money on the table there will be individuals that try and gain an edge (cheat). Sites make their money on the rake if they are suspected of doing anything that is not on the up and up they would lose players and their source of income. I think you have to worry about dishonest players than most sites.

Oyeah713 · Dec 29, 2018

I believe it's 100% fare I've seen a couple of hands I thought and 2 dahslater I played rl cards and same thing happened so Im now a believer

ExPokerManager · Mar 20, 2019

Yes Its Rigged And The Main Reason Why People Still Are Playing
This Is How Humans Are By Nature
If You Are Good At Something And U Fail Time After Time U Continue
If U Are Bad At Something And Someone Tell U That U Are Great
U Get Happy And Contine
And Then We God The Addicts Who Need To Play Win Or Lose Dosent Matter
The Software With The Ups And Down Action Is Addicting 100%
As Long As The Software Does The Job People Will Play Untill They Are Broke
And Why U Think U See All Bad Beats..U Think They Are All In With 10% Becouse They Are Some Kind Of Smart Genius??

The Main Reason That Nothing Happends And The Scam Can Go On
Is Becouse The Smart People Have Left The Building
There Are Only People Left Playing That Have A Low IQ
And The Chosen Players The Big Regular Winners To Keep Them Dreaming
U Will Become A Winner When U Quit Playing Online Play Live And If U Good U Will C

johnbrazon42 · Mar 20, 2019

pokerakne said:
As a programmer myself i don't think it is rigged simply due to the following reason:

Let's take Pokerstars, it's a winning business, they make money through rake. Full Stop.
No one sane would risk that.

Beside that, writing a sufficient cryptographically secure (pseudo) random number generator can be done with one line of code. Rigging it (good) on the other side would take alot more effort (and thus money) while simultaneously risking the business.

I fail to believe that, at least the big ones are that stupid.

"rigging" an RNG would take little effort. Study computer programming and you'll know this is FACT.

Cajin007 · Mar 23, 2019

Look beyond the RNG

While one hand does not a valid point make on whether a site is "rigged", most of us here can agree that something is "Fishy" within most online poker sites.

Are sites "Rigging" the RNG, I'd have to say no. First, doing so would only complicate a sites collusion/BOT detection software, and second would create problems in verification of said RNG.

Third, the shuffle algorithm a site uses probably isn't rigged. I use that term loosely, because there might be a way to do it, but would take extensive time and code manipulation, and might eventually reveal itself after considerable time.

Now, what if a site used tracking software like PT4 to profile it's players? With everyone's known hole cards, and how they have played those hands in different spots, they could discover who is a new player ( A.K.A. the FISH ) and who is a reg.

How, does a site generate a profit? We know they charge a "Rake" on cash games.( Rake = service charge for use ). And add a "Rake" to buy-in tournaments/SNGs/games. Biggest profit is mostly from the cash tables, where money flows like water.

How do you get a FISH to play a cash game? Let him win a win a nice bit of cash in a Free-roll or micro buy-in game, and before long that money is looking at the felt of a cash table, trying to earn more. How would one do this? give them a "winning" hand, and a chance to get ITM.

So your reading this and thinking, WTF this person is all over the place. Actually, I have given everyone several pieces of a complex puzzle. If you skimmed though, you missed the fine points, otherwise the light went off.

And why would any site do this, cause they like money, just like everyone else. These "Sites" are just like real casinos. They employ the same tactics the brick and mortar ones do. Anything and everything to separate you form your money, in a way that seems normal.

I already hear those that are saying, "So if it is rigged, why you still playing?". Well, even the regs are thrown a bone from time to time, just to keep things "looking" normal. If not, then sites would loose players and hardly ever get new ones.

Just remember this, "Feed everyone just enough, and no one complains they are hungry":eek2:

TheniT · Mar 23, 2019

I do not think online poker is rigged, because if a website is rigged everyone should also be rigged.

errsat · Apr 5, 2019

ONLINE POKER IS RIGGED

Many players played online poker , and many players thinks online poker is rigged, well today will discuss this topic.

Whatever you open a new account on major know sites and deposit money soon as you do you will begin the incursion in the world of online poker with all the facts and plays:evil::evil: which most are familiar or not with the patterns which online poker offering us:
Many of us will treat the game if beginners as a hobby and many of us as a recreational alternatives for a show where our free time is used as adrenaline for entertainment.
from this two facts we begin to analize online poker is a big Money industry and once the Industry is on a level which most people are involved it will be hard to shut down since most of the people involved and where money circulation are at high level where no compromise are to be made.
we want to mention a industry which its growth is super high , is even harder to stop or to shut down or to regulate properly.
AND HERE WE WILL MAKE SOME SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT IT:
As a big business model in order to sustain its growth rate and its incomes is need it a secure income in order to maintain the line :
Q. Where we take the secure income from online poker ?
A. From the fees most will say ? "RAKE" IN CASH GAMES and FEES in Tournaments ,and here lies the tricky question which will answer to all our question about integrity of the game.
the Volume of fees payed x hour is the net income for a poker site to work at its growth rate in order to sustain the working business model.
Many of you will say its not truth this , poker sites doesnt care who win or not since they get the fees...well this is exact what is happen :
New account players have a net superior vantage provided by the "business algorithm " to win more likely when enter in the pot , just because the business model is sustained by entrances
In order to make this business to work based on entrances ( more fees to be payed) the Management needs to ensure survivability of the new comers in order to sustain this business model, and from this idea its clearly visible how the Management is hardly supporting the new accounts or the bad players to keep surviving via bad beats the more experienced players who can PRESS FOLD button when they smell losines , that's why most of the good players will suffer bad beats at the river with only 2 , 3 outs suckout .
Example. try to win at micro stakes a tourney after you played high stakes tournament and you cashed and you see no matter what two cards you Hold you will lose, at river especially if you pot controle. this prevents setups from more experienced players to setup ( fishes).
AND THE Pattern will emerge over and over again .
And another fact rigging moust the new comers will ensure the survivability and incomes for the site to work its the perfect scenario to setup rigging model from various things .
If new player /bad player is able to bad beat mostly the money will circle around time to time from player to player to ensure they don't cash out and have the most amount to buyin (fee) until money are wasted into fees entirely.
MOST OF YOU WILL DISAGREE WITH THIS IDEA , will say try to play at high stakes and see this doesn't happen.
My answer is this : play high stake then play low stake and you will see your money disappearing into bad beats/suckouts in order to sustain the survivability of bad player, and 2nd if the game is rigged at low lvl why wouldn't be rigged at high lvl also?
you don't believe me ? ok then try to answer to this fair question :
Why in online Poker the BOARD is not distributed all TOGETHER with the players hole cards AND KEEP THEM COVERED AND REGISTERED (tourney/date /hour/sec/microsec ) before any players get ANY ACTION AND to BE CONSULTABLE VIA REPLAYERS (HAND HISTORY) by anyone?
Answer : because this kind of game play will ensure guaranteed the emerging patterns and setups which game has been exposed in order to maintain its growth rate and survivability as a business model based to protect the income ( new players) and its fastened in game play.

david1bear · Apr 5, 2019

I believe online poker players play way more time then they would live. Which means you would probably see way more hand situations then normal. But to me I feel that because the poker sites are programed and there are so many people playing so many hours that the poker site would probably relapse itself causing glitching and repeating of hands and cards. I have played live poker a good amount of times and I have never seen pocket A's hit somebodies hand 3 times in a row, nor some of the other pockets and hand scenarios. Something is wrong with the system to me and should be looked into. I do still play but I have been leaning more towards live because of this problem:0)

MAGICUZ · Apr 5, 2019

Good luck or bad luck is part of poker and life. Of course, those who are tormented by failure, blame the poker rooms in all their problems. It is necessary to catch good luck time after time, then all doubts will disappear. When a person sits down to play poker, he should know that this is part of the lottery, someone is lucky, and someone is not. Thus, success or failure is part of the life cycle, and trust in poker or lack thereof is your right. Therefore, it seems to me that this is all a myth,although who knows

(joke)

James_Harrison · Apr 6, 2019

Yes it is rigged 100% certain, i have no physical proof that the supposed RNG or shuffle is rigged (but i believe it is).

HOWEVER i do have proof that online poker is rigged aside from the RNG / shuffle.

The interesting thing is that more countries should be shutting down online poker because nobody can stop bots and collusion / multi accounts by using different ips detecting users play styles (its the nature of the online environment) plus there is always a slight possibility that the shuffle is rigged which i do believe to be so.

jamesbooch · Apr 6, 2019

One fact remains that the more action created, the more money the site makes...

...but i hate to sound like that guy.

James_Harrison · Apr 14, 2019

James_Harrison said:
Yes it is rigged 100% certain, i have no physical proof that the supposed RNG or shuffle is rigged (but i believe it is).

HOWEVER i do have proof that online poker is rigged aside from the RNG / shuffle.

The interesting thing is that more countries should be shutting down online poker because nobody can stop bots and collusion / multi accounts by using different ips detecting users play styles (its the nature of the online environment) plus there is always a slight possibility that the shuffle is rigged which i do believe to be so.

Bumping this post because of recent events, i really think everyone needs to see this and be aware.

Nikolay Nakhaev · Apr 14, 2019

I recently started playing PS.es. spanish reservation. there is a constant feeling that there are simply a lot of players who use forbidden programs and no one is following this[emoji21][emoji21][emoji21]

Nikolay Nakhaev · Apr 15, 2019

Poker streamer Eric Collier came out of the Americas Cardroom heads-up tournament with a buy-in of $ 16.50 and a $ 10,000 guarantee, but suddenly found himself playing against the bot .
and so on. this fact recognized the ACR
and this is not the first fact on the ACR.

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