Is Online Poker Rigged?

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what you say makes a lot of sense especially if you are a pacifist, conspiracy monger. I don't believe its "rigged" to the point the other player can see your card or manipulate which card comes on the river but these sites are there to make money and taking a few bucks from tournament buy ins is not going to make you big bucks. So since there is no vig on the pots in cash games it leaves us with having a bot or an inside man just sitting there waiting to take your money. Its a little far fetched but some of the craziest movies were based on real events. YES, if there is money to be made people will find a way to cheat i believe that 100%
 
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They make so much in rake why would they risk it? I know there are bots on a lot of sites but bots are beatable and normally banned when caught.
 
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online poker in my mind is not rigged ,there just so many hands that are being played daily that the bad beats and losses seem like it but i highly doubt it is rigged per say if they were ever caught somehow doing any rigging so to speak they would be fined so much and lose so much money it would make your head spin
 
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Most of the crazy play that I see winning comes on the freerolls. If they had software to help them cheat I don't think they be using it to win such short money.
 
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I believe in online poker, especially at BOL/SB, ACR, party poker and 888. However, I have a not 100% confidence at PS. Somethings just happens at pokerstars. It can be because we play more at there and, espcially for we play more hands at this site, strange things happens at there, like loose hands with 95,5% or more chances to win. This days I lost a 98,8% turn chances all in.
Other strange things are players with 72 that enter out of position and the board is 7 2 2 x x. Why they do it? Just beacause are lucky nuts or because they knew what would came at the board?
Exact for this, it was a very intersting article, to prove that had independent auditors and knowing that there are a lot of respectable players putting a lot of bucks on online tournaments, seems to be a very safe place to we be.
I played at full tilt poker and the black friday was the reason that I do not played online poker for several years, just coming back when PS bought Full tilt...
 
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After 10 years of playing poker live and online, after using HM2 and other softwares, after playing sessions of more than 5.000 hands per day in micro stakes all the way to 200nl 6max, after cashing out thousands of eu, I can honestly say it’s rigged to the bone. You can say what ever u want to me but it will still be rigged, there patterns you can clearly see in every card room, sure we play thousands of hands and the game is faster, 2x100nl Zoom is approx 500 hands per hour, 1X2/4 FR in a casino is 25 to 30 hands per hour. We all know that! But the pattern is the same, after u cash out you are doomed to lose big, after every big juicy pot you take with perfect play you are doomed to lose with 1 or 2 outers on the river by some idiot, and you end up break even or slightly up or down...try this at home, make a deposit and play 2 tables of Zoom 50nl with lets say 5 buy ins, play your A game GTO solid play, avoid nasty spots and tricky hands, just fold and go to the next, do this every day and u will have a win ratio of approx 10 to 9 BB/100, when there is no other way to lose because u play solid game the magic will start eventually, u will flop the nuts and some jackass will shove with crap hand and guess what? He will hit his 1 outer on the river! This will happen 5 to 10 times in a single session of 3.000 hands, now calculate your profits in 3.000 hands of solid play 150eu and calculate your bad beats lets say 5 bad beats where you were all in -250...250bad beats -150 profit -100 bankroll ... this is a pattern in every online poker room, every single time bad beat after bad beat after bad beat, you make a new deposit you run well for 1 week or you even make a cash out and BOOM same shit different day! Online poker is rigged and don’t start on me, they don’t need to fix the tables cause they are making millions from rake, as long money is involved they want MORE it’s human nature, more exotic boards more rake, more fish in the pool bigger pots, just imagine what will happen if all the fish were eaten by the sharks, sharks will starve to death and start eating each other, eventually poker room will be out of clients and businesses. So yeah they are making shitload of money by manipulating the RNG to favor the fish to stay in the pool, if you reject this just try it your self, or try this trick I did a year ago, I played 250hands per day, every single day in a casino for 30 days, so 250X30= 7.500 hands in a month, the craziest hand in this 7.500 hands was set over set over straight and AA vs AA vs KK ...that’s it! Two crazy hands in 7.500 hands live play, no go play 7.500 online in pokerstars and check for your self. It’s rigged people I made money from online poker got a new car payed bills etc but ITS RIGGED
 
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It's funny to me how cards chat is fast to remove all negative replies, or threads about America's Cardroom.
they leave them up for just a few minutes then they quickly take them down. check back looking for this in a half hr. to an hr. and see if you can find it. all comments seems to be gone now and there were about 9 before this thread disappeared within the first 45 min. it was taken down the first time from new threads while the TRUMP post before it and the 888 Poker thread after it were still to be found. but this thread wasn't even in the list"

online poker in my mind is not rigged ,there just so many hands that are being played daily that the bad beats and losses seem like it but i highly doubt it is rigged per say if they were ever caught somehow doing any rigging so to speak they would be fined so much and lose so much money it would make your head spin



Americas Card Room is Rigged #1 - YouTube this guy has several videos. it's worth watching. I have noticed the same thing.

please watch this video, it shows and proves that online poker is a scam against good players.

They make so much in rake why would they risk it? I know there are bots on a lot of sites but bots are beatable and normally banned when caught.

you really think any casino is legit? watch this video and tell me if the dealer is bot? he has more than 5 complete tournaments with games without 1 single playable hand. I had the same thing happen to me playing ACR Million dollar sunday game. I had to fold until all my chips were gone, or be forced to play J 2 off 10 2 72 94 10-4 A-6 off with someone else going all in before you preflop and folding watching him hit a full house K's full of aces but there was a 6 on the river. glad I folded that. then the next cards I get are back to the Q-5 7-3 5-9 until l went out. I know how to play, I'm in the top %2 of all time cashouts on pokerstars play money games. I made $1000.00 on ACR the first month after my first deposit. but never won or made a decent payout on there again. I am 54th in ACR $10.00 on demand all time leader board. I was winning 2 or 3 of those every wk for over a month. but after I cashed out I couldn't ever get a hand, and every single time I got a good hand it gets beat by cards even the worse donk wouldn't call with. like my pocket aces called all in pre-flop by 9-2 off and run a flush against me. or the same 9=2 running a str8 against me just a few hands later against my KK

Americas Card Room is Rigged #1 - YouTube

I've been in so many live games, cash and tournaments, where the exact same thing happens as when I play online. People seem to forget there are only 52 cards in a deck and shite happens. You just have to try and remember "that's poker" and try move on to the next hand, if you can't do that, walk away and come back with a better mindset. Something I don't always do and wish I could.

you can believe what you want, or you can look up where ACR was busted for cheating and watch this video and tell me if this guy knows how to play and doesn't get any hands, tell me if he plays bad one time. because in a solid hr. he gets no hands. over and over game after game.
 
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The online poker and offline poker are similar only rules therefore you have to understand that at a game in online you will face brighter manifestations of dispersion that will seem to the inexperienced player mad and improbable. From here and doubts in honesty of a game in online!
 
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A lot of players make this claim when they suffer a series of bad beats - we get our share of them around here.

Let's have a serious discussion about it. Read this article:

Is online poker safe or rigged?

There is some really good information in that article that explains some of the misconceptions players have.

The thing I see the most is players having a bad day or even a bad week - or they are making a lot of wrong decisions - and they instantly think the game is cheating them.

They will post hands and say "No way should this happen!" - and I know instantly they have never played live poker. I have been playing live poker for about 10 years and I have seen it all happen in a situation where it can not possibly be rigged.

What are your thoughts?

(ps - this is not the place to post your bad beat hands!)

That was the best way of putting it. There is an ugly potential to even the greatest odds.
 
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It's funny to me how cards chat is fast to remove all negative replies, or threads about some poker sites.
they leave them up for just a few minutes then they quickly take them down. check back looking for this in a half hr. to an hr. and see if you can find it. all comments seems to be gone now and there were about 9 before this thread disappeared within the first 45 min. it was taken down the first time from new threads while the TRUMP post before it and the 888 poker thread after it were still to be found. but this thread wasn't even in the list"

You are so full of crap - there are negative comments about poker sites all over this forum - same as most other sites.

And exactly zero posts above yours were deleted.

What I will delete are any more untrue statements you make about this forum.
 
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I don't think online poker is rigged. I've never played live poker, but I've seen live streams of big tournaments where players make mistakes. We should not blame the poker sites.
This is well stated in the article:
"Online poker players should realize that it is not beneficial to the online poker site owners to cheat. To knowingly break the law would be professional suicide. There are so many checks and balances, not to mention top ranked poker players on their guard so that the likelihood of one of them smelling a rat and going public would quickly damage the reputation of the poker site. It is important to choose highly reputable online poker sites and choose those that have high levels of play action. Those are good signs that they are high quality operations.The cost to the online poker room would be so great that it would not be in their best interest to run the gamble and risk the liability associated with such a scandal. Many players might say, "But wait, they make so much money that a couple million dollar fine is a slap on their rich hand!" But the reality is that laws and regulations are in place in this modern age of online poker, and the punishment to casinos is much higher than a "slap on the wrist."


I would agree 100% that if there is cheating or rigging going on its not coming from the owners of the site. However...For sure there exists a very good possibility that somebody with inside info about the site and its programming could be manipulating the game to his or her advantage and probably would be doing it with a partner or a team of partner/players. We already know that Bots exist. And we already know that poker sites in the past had players using a "God Mode" and that site was busted and shut down. So to believe that no cheating, rigging or colluding is going on would be extremely naive because its just so simply highly probable that it is happening. And for sure the creators/owners/operators of the these online sites dont want to risk this happening as they are going to make so much more just operating a legit site then any kind of scamming...however the owners are not the only ones who could pull it off. Any one of the programmers who designed the software would probably know how to fine backdoors and loopholes in the system. Remember: "If you havent identified the sucker at the table, its probably you."
 
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When i first started playing online, i thought there was a chance it was rigged, but not fo any certain player. As I improved, I didn't lose as much, and now i don't think it's rigged.
 
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rigged vs law of probability

"Rigging" is an excuse for not beating the odds.
To get ITM in a tourney, it's you vs hundreds of players. Odds are 1/100 1/200, etc. When your best chance is 1%, look at it as 99% chance of failure.

No tears when I finish OTM. ITM is the exception, not the norm.

When you don't place at SNG, or small tourney does it feel as "rigged"

All thoughts appreciated.
 
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No variance is a much bigger deal than the average person thinks, myself included.
 
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I'm not inclined to believe online poker is rigged. Although I can't say it isn't. I've played live poker for decades and have seen every type of bad beat there is. Poker is just that poker. Runner runner is a beast of It's own kind in this game.
 
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I just cant believe it. I know it seems my odds of getting my ass kicked are greater at the site I play at, but my faith in mankind keeps me full of hope and believing my day will come..lol
 
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ACR 'randomizer'

I've got pocket Kings, I'm all in preflop with two others that have A/junk. I'm at Americas Cardroom, so anything is possible, right? What are the odds that the first two cards flopped are aces? Is there a message here?
 
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even in spite of the tough moves and blows on my high hands and so on I achieve success online therefore I do not think about it but I continue to study and play
 
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If I remember correctly, those "rigged" poker site, like UB, are not in business anymore.
To answer that question, if Online poker is rigged or not, I believe it's not.

Of course, it always will be some people cheating, colluding, running "boiler room" etc... using bots with 2 or more pc's to avoid detection, but all in all it's pretty much to safe playing online.
Some poker site, like PS and PP, are doing really great job defeating bots, some other like 888 are not, and you can see them running all the time on all levels on their client.

We always try to blame someone else, or something, for our loses.
If we just stop playing bad hands, use better position and control our emotions, then it would be much improvement in our game, and it would not be so "rigged" then.
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Is online poker just straight up rigged on every site?

I am pretty new to online cash games online; been playing for 5 days. Before I practiced on pokerstars play money and it is obvious that site is rigged so I stopped practicing on it.

I tried to play on bovada poker real money since I was told there was the softest games there and it wasn't rigged and I wanted to see how good I actually was. On the first day I played I was up $270, second day $390 and then afterwards my gains were almost completely wiped out so now I am only up $30 and thinking about stopping. Constantly there are the biggest suck outs and super user looking behavior that literally contributed losses of around $1k. I see AA vs KK probably 6 times a day on average and when I have aces, I've only won 60% of the time shoving it all in preflop. In fact I've recorded the number of times I shoved with a dominating pocket pair preflop and I've only won around 65% of the time when in reality I should win around 80%. Also probable blatant super-user abuse due to the anonymity of the site. One time a new user joined first hand, raise 8x utg, 4 people call his raise I shove with AA on the button 100 BB at a 1/2 table, he snap calls with 77 and gets there with a 7. Then he cashed out immediately. This isn't in a tournament where people shove with garbage hand and get there. This type of behavior looks like blatant super-user abuse, considering he literally only played 1 hand. They don't need to do it often or at high stakes, $240 is a decent amount of money considering it's free. They have no reason to be greedy and possibly get caught.

I don't really care about the money, but why can't there be a poker site with just a legit random number generator and no super-user accounts. There has already been scandals for super-user abuse. It is also obvious to anybody who looks at their hands that the random number generator isn't truely random and there is a high rate of multiple people hitting the flop/turn.
 
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I am pretty new to online cash games online; been playing for 5 days. Before I practiced on pokerstars play money and it is obvious that site is rigged so I stopped practicing on it.

I tried to play on bovada poker real money since I was told there was the softest games there and it wasn't rigged and I wanted to see how good I actually was. On the first day I played I was up $270, second day $390 and then afterwards my gains were almost completely wiped out so now I am only up $30 and thinking about stopping. Constantly there are the biggest suck outs and super user looking behavior that literally contributed losses of around $1k. I see AA vs KK probably 6 times a day on average and when I have aces, I've only won 60% of the time shoving it all in preflop. In fact I've recorded the number of times I shoved with a dominating pocket pair preflop and I've only won around 65% of the time when in reality I should win around 80%. Also probable blatant super-user abuse due to the anonymity of the site. One time a new user joined first hand, raise 8x utg, 4 people call his raise I shove with AA on the button 100 BB at a 1/2 table, he snap calls with 77 and gets there with a 7. Then he cashed out immediately. This isn't in a tournament where people shove with garbage hand and get there. This type of behavior looks like blatant super-user abuse, considering he literally only played 1 hand. They don't need to do it often or at high stakes, $240 is a decent amount of money considering it's free. They have no reason to be greedy and possibly get caught.

I don't really care about the money, but why can't there be a poker site with just a legit random number generator and no super-user accounts. There has already been scandals for super-user abuse. It is also obvious to anybody who looks at their hands that the random number generator isn't truely random and there is a high rate of multiple people hitting the flop/turn.

I smile when I read posts about a tuned number generator that AA will win 60% and not 80 and everything in that spirit. In fact, this is all variance. And there are no conspiracies against the player. You play a few million hands, and you'll see how the Aces will win in 80% of the cases or close to it.
 
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I agree that no site is truly random because any RNG is what is called pseudo random. It can't do the shuffle as a dealer in person does and I don't think it burns any cards,such as a live dealer. What can you do? Play live or deal with the flawed online sites.
 
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Play live if u think its rigged, playing live is obvously better for people suspecting rigging.
 
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I am pretty new to online cash games online; been playing for 5 days. Before I practiced on pokerstars play money and it is obvious that site is rigged so I stopped practicing on it.

I tried to play on bovada poker real money since I was told there was the softest games there and it wasn't rigged and I wanted to see how good I actually was. On the first day I played I was up $270, second day $390 and then afterwards my gains were almost completely wiped out so now I am only up $30 and thinking about stopping. Constantly there are the biggest suck outs and super user looking behavior that literally contributed losses of around $1k. I see AA vs KK probably 6 times a day on average and when I have aces, I've only won 60% of the time shoving it all in preflop. In fact I've recorded the number of times I shoved with a dominating pocket pair preflop and I've only won around 65% of the time when in reality I should win around 80%. Also probable blatant super-user abuse due to the anonymity of the site. One time a new user joined first hand, raise 8x utg, 4 people call his raise I shove with AA on the button 100 BB at a 1/2 table, he snap calls with 77 and gets there with a 7. Then he cashed out immediately. This isn't in a tournament where people shove with garbage hand and get there. This type of behavior looks like blatant super-user abuse, considering he literally only played 1 hand. They don't need to do it often or at high stakes, $240 is a decent amount of money considering it's free. They have no reason to be greedy and possibly get caught.

I don't really care about the money, but why can't there be a poker site with just a legit random number generator and no super-user accounts. There has already been scandals for super-user abuse. It is also obvious to anybody who looks at their hands that the random number generator isn't truely random and there is a high rate of multiple people hitting the flop/turn.
I play cash games and tournys in casinos in laughlin NV its the same dumb shit everywere you just play online more probly but so do i bad beats are brutal but not rigged luck of the draw or i would be rich from casinos at least but im not i make more online lol funny huh thats what cracks me up every time i hear someone say site is rigged!!
 
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I agree with the participants, if you think that the game is faked then you better play live poker, if you have the opportunity to play live, I do not have the opportunity to play live poker in my city and I have to play poker online!
 
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