Had to bump this thread as in a recent PokerGo high stakes game Bryn Kenney was featured as if butter wouldn't melt.
The irony is this was brought to my attention when another controversial hand played out - Eric Persson shooting an angle against Garrett Adelstein- with Kenney playing in the line up.
Now, I know issues with Kenney are murkey because GG Poker are not forthcoming with what transpired between them and Kenney but patently things were out of control and Kenney and his stable were pulling all number of stunts.
But then again, Cary Katz was apparently Bryn Kenney's long time backer and banker so maybe Katz is going to rehabilitate him.
That said, Eric Persson after his defeat of Phil Hellmuth has turned into a complete jerk and it seems that PokerGo wants to stuff some dubious characters into their streams for whatever reason. It left a bad taste in my mouth to be frank and made me question whether poker actually wants to clean up its act or not.
The Triton Series in Madrid starts today and I wonder whether any of the alleged cheaters will be allowed to play there.
The irony is this was brought to my attention when another controversial hand played out - Eric Persson shooting an angle against Garrett Adelstein- with Kenney playing in the line up.
Now, I know issues with Kenney are murkey because GG Poker are not forthcoming with what transpired between them and Kenney but patently things were out of control and Kenney and his stable were pulling all number of stunts.
But then again, Cary Katz was apparently Bryn Kenney's long time backer and banker so maybe Katz is going to rehabilitate him.
That said, Eric Persson after his defeat of Phil Hellmuth has turned into a complete jerk and it seems that PokerGo wants to stuff some dubious characters into their streams for whatever reason. It left a bad taste in my mouth to be frank and made me question whether poker actually wants to clean up its act or not.
The Triton Series in Madrid starts today and I wonder whether any of the alleged cheaters will be allowed to play there.
DS3 said:
I'm thinking the past few weeks are just the beginning of all the poker controversy. Let's see what else will come up to keep the average poker player aware that some of the pros are not all that and also see what drama will come about with the live streams. This isn't the first time we are reminded of just how untrustworthy some poker players can be therefore pretty much giving all poker players a bad name, to the general poker public.
Shells said:
This.
Even though I have commented on a lot regarding the various revelations of cheating, I am generally positive about poker whether online or live. Although lower stakes online are targeted by bots etc. I think the major misdemeanors are high roller on high roller crimes. That said, I don't think that excuses various parties from taking a definitive stance. And all I can say is I was genuinely shocked to see Bryn Kenney in this recent high stakes game on PokerGo.
It isn't as though I wish for him to be banished completely from the poker world, but jeeze, the cheating saga regarding Kenney and his stable just made headlines. I am not sure PokerGo featuring him immediately does anything but look like they are thumbing their noses at the idea of cheating having consequences.
An odd choice to make.
WrongUsername said:
gambling is part of poker & where you find gambling you will find degenerate gamblers. Don't know that poker has all that many more than its fair share, but doesn't take all that many to give the game a bad reputation & there are certainly some well known players who seem not to give a **** about the image they project.
For what it is worth, Bryn Kenney, Jake Schindler and Ali Imsirovic are nowhere to be seen in Madrid so far at the Triton High Roller Series. They have all featured in the Triton Series before - notably Jake Schindler won the key 250K event in Cyprus last month.
This could mean ( I hope) they have now been 86'd from PokerStars/EPT and Triton events as well as their online restrictions.
This could mean ( I hope) they have now been 86'd from PokerStars/EPT and Triton events as well as their online restrictions.
I think we all see the hate the likes of Schindler, Imsirovic and Kenney are receiving, I mean right they cheated..
But why when ''Phil Ivey'' cheated a casino for +20M$ in baccarat, I know it's not poker but it's still the same or worse lol, we don't see all that hate on him.
Hate schindler for using RTA, I mean that's not even close as going in a casino with a partner and your own deck and cheating a casino for Twenty Millions Dollars. 🤔
But why when ''Phil Ivey'' cheated a casino for +20M$ in baccarat, I know it's not poker but it's still the same or worse lol, we don't see all that hate on him.
Hate schindler for using RTA, I mean that's not even close as going in a casino with a partner and your own deck and cheating a casino for Twenty Millions Dollars. 🤔
Well, that's an odd one.EnzoRS94 said:
I like Phil Ivey, was glad when he settled the Casino law suits and am very happy now he is back to good form this year. But...a couple of points.
It was not Ivey who had the skill to 'edge sort' but Cheung Yin Sun. They worked as a team because Ivey gained them entrance to play at high stakes. What they were able to do was compromise the Casino and take advantage. They did not use their own deck - they did not even touch the cards. I don't think the two scenarios bear comparison where Kenney etc. were ripping off other players.
That said, I have never backed Ivey regarding the Baccarat scam, and have even argued on this forum he exacerbated the situation with lawsuits. The courts were never going to side with them when technically they were not winning by playing legitimate Baccarat.
The difference being that Ivey did come to terms with both the American and English casinos - he has literally paid a price (multi millions) for his stunts. Whereas the likes of Kenney appear to have faced no consequences. Both Schindler and Imsirovic got kicked off some sites without any indication of how much was confiscated from them both and if that even came close to covering the money they scammed through RTA and collusion from other players.
And that would be a final point with Ivey - their 'scam' was against the casinos. Ivey has not been shown to scam fellow players online in the manner these guys did.