dealio96 said:
No, not at all. You can go back and look, but I did not accuse ACR of putting them there anywhere near the beginning. It wasn't until much later, after they seemed unable or unwilling to do something about it, that I even entertained the thought that they could be complicit.
You'll notice that all I did was identify the bots' tendencies, try to explain them, and try get to people to go watch for themselves -- for which people basically told me I was whining and needed to learn to play poker. Haha. I kept presenting different kinds of evidence, only to have people tell me it was not proof -- but what was actually happening is most people wouldn't even look at the evidence or do any of their own research.
I commend all the people that actually started looking into it for themselves. After all, you can't prove something if the jury isn't listening. And I was one of the ones in dbchristy's thread who thought it was silly to worry about and didn't seem at all likely to be true. But that put the seed in my mind to start looking a little closer. Even before that, I had noticed a few weird screen names that all had a certain combination of letters, which made me think something was up -- it was too much of a coincidence. My first guess was that they were just friends or maybe members of another forum who wanted to be able to identify each other. They were the first ones that I realized had completely unnatural, and extremely similar playing styles, and they were the first ones I told ACR about. (And the first ones ACR removed). Then I started to focus on other screen names that I saw over and over, at all hours of the day and night (I have a weird schedule (lol)), and realized they had the same stats, too. And once I signed up for a sharkscope subscription so that I could look up more than a few per day, it all became very clear.
So, again, no, I do not accept that excuse from those who wouldn't consider my evidence because they thought I was accusing ACR. I do accept the excuse that they'd heard it all a million times before and didn't think this time was any different. That, I can understand.
dealio96 said:
I was actually one that was speculating that WPN (BCP/ACR) may have been putting them in - because it seems illogical for someone to have bots play freerolls and make such small amounts of money - now you may say someone had 100 bots of their own, well even so its not a ton of money for what you would have to do to achieve running 100 different accounts at the same time - the programs and hardware would cost triple what you can make in a year - hardly seems worth it. Plus just because ACR rep says they have deleted the accounts - I have yet to hear them say why this continues to happen (this is not the first run of this) or what they are doing to prevent it - which makes me think they know more than they claim. Add it all up - seems VERY fishy to me - and until they explain themselves and what they are going to do to prevent this from happening in the future - I for one will never deposit, and this problem will continue to grow and will cripple the site (which is coming anyways with all of the USA eventually going to sites like PokerStars and 888 once all of the bills pass). Other sites have admitted to doing this, so do places like Facebook and other social networks - padding their numbers for advertisers and to draw more people in. Dont really care though because they are easy to beat - but it does seem unfair
But I will enjoy bringing my $20 I got from CC league on BCP to well over $1k by the end of the year (up to $74 now)....hope they are still around then to give it to me
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Id have to relook at the sharkscope numbers - i think it was about $10=$15k a year if you operated all 100 of them but I may be off by a bit - just seems like such an operation with people obviously smart enough to pull it off would spend their skills making a bit more - it has to be more than one person - so say a team of 5 - thats $3k a year - hackers make way more than that other places
not saying it is ACR, just seems fishy
not saying it is ACR, just seems fishy
Aceplayer55 said:
Yes, ACR did get rid of them. Ever since that huge list that i sent them was removed, I haven't noticed anything strange, although I haven't paid quite as close attention as I did before. I did watch a little bit of final table yesterday in one of the freerolls, and I was happy to see that it moved so much faster -- none of this bot fake thinking stuff going on, slowing it to a crawl.
It's possible there could be a couple left, but maybe not -- there were a few that were questionable, but they were too new to get a good SharkScope history on. I left those that I wasn't sure of off the list. A few of them are incredible grinders that are either real people or someone who had the good sense to turn off their software for about 8 hours every day. Still hard to picture someone playing freerolls every waking hour.🙂
RogueRivered said:
^^^^^^^^^ Bot Buster
You realize Rogue, you ARE the Bot Buster, and with great power (well somewhat mediocre power at best, ok fine - a sharkscope account) comes some sort of responsibility - we are putting our faith in you that you will protect us, keep us from harm, and uh bots too I guess. So get back on out there and rustle us up some more metal heads that we can fry! Pronto
trying out a few catch phrases - "You've been bot busted bitch!" "Bot tums up buddy!"
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Wanted to say great thread. Learning about where the on demand leaderboard is located was helpful as well as the promotion. Im going to try to play even better now that i know there is a $250 tournament entry available. Im in 41 with 21 pts, got 4th 3x. Going to keep an eye out for bots now that ive read about them. Probably the players that call AIPF with QT and hit a T against AQ.
Unfortunate side effect to promos
This kind of stuff is a sad consequence of promos and computer gaming. I have even heard of these type of auto play bots for regular video games. I accidentally found a site that sells software for pokersites to autoplay. (not giving the name on here)
I wonder if there is a fix for this type of stuff that won't annoy players, kind of like the "I'm not a robot" capcha used for posting on these threads. It would seem like the people using these are setting the bot when they go to work or school to keep playing while they are gone.
Maybe sites could implement a periodic verification for players. But like I said, without annoying the legit players and something that is not easy to override using one of these programs.
I think it is cool that you can post info on here and someone actually does something about it. 🙄
447464
This kind of stuff is a sad consequence of promos and computer gaming. I have even heard of these type of auto play bots for regular video games. I accidentally found a site that sells software for pokersites to autoplay. (not giving the name on here)
I wonder if there is a fix for this type of stuff that won't annoy players, kind of like the "I'm not a robot" capcha used for posting on these threads. It would seem like the people using these are setting the bot when they go to work or school to keep playing while they are gone.
Maybe sites could implement a periodic verification for players. But like I said, without annoying the legit players and something that is not easy to override using one of these programs.
I think it is cool that you can post info on here and someone actually does something about it. 🙄
447464
Thank you Jrbobdobbs64 for bringing this to everyone's attention in a public format. I would also like to thank the ACR Representative for resolving this issue. ACR is a public client, and therefore leaves itself vulnerable to people who might take advantage by whatever means necessary. I think it would be interesting to keep an eye out and monitor if they come back. I surely will be looking and will post in this forum if I find any evidence. If anyone else has any tips on how to do this please let me know.
look, i have a suspected bot on ACR
C1umsy http://www.sharkscope.com/#Player-Statistics//networks/WPN/players/C1umsy
i've been playing a lot myself for the last month, but this "player/bot" does thousands of tourneys and is seen on $10 freerolls all around the clock: looks to me, no human!
i am sick of this s**t, i just wanna play, fair&square!
C1umsy http://www.sharkscope.com/#Player-Statistics//networks/WPN/players/C1umsy
i've been playing a lot myself for the last month, but this "player/bot" does thousands of tourneys and is seen on $10 freerolls all around the clock: looks to me, no human!
they actually started selling bots for ACR now: google bonusbotsHAMC81 said:
i am sick of this s**t, i just wanna play, fair&square!
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ACR1938374 (WPN)
750 games ?in a calendar month? winning constantly $10 freerolls - not possible by a human,
prove me wrong...
just copy/paste this nickname on sharkscope!
i won't argue about being right, but i've been studying online poker since 2010 and met some bot-masters along the way!
well, it seems to me, ACR takes action only when something out of the ordinary happens and people start complaining,
it wouln't be so hard to set up a task-force inside ACR that would just look at regular winners,
check their stats [like games played per day], and using sound judgement, investigate the case!
i understand, a poker-room needs each and every client they can get in this market of high competition,
but please understand, these leeches ruin poker for everyone!:
1) they don't bring value - they are leeching your freeroll money you put to attract small fish;
2) the small fish gets annoyed by always losing to these leeches and leave your poker, because it's no longer a recreational game but a fight for a few crumbs;
if found guilty of such cheating, you need to pull their record and inform every security detail in your network and deny them the chance to ever return again, or make money transactions! and forfeit their winnngs and return them to your balance [to stage more freeroll 😛]
750 games ?in a calendar month? winning constantly $10 freerolls - not possible by a human,
prove me wrong...
just copy/paste this nickname on sharkscope!
i won't argue about being right, but i've been studying online poker since 2010 and met some bot-masters along the way!
well, it seems to me, ACR takes action only when something out of the ordinary happens and people start complaining,
it wouln't be so hard to set up a task-force inside ACR that would just look at regular winners,
check their stats [like games played per day], and using sound judgement, investigate the case!
i understand, a poker-room needs each and every client they can get in this market of high competition,
but please understand, these leeches ruin poker for everyone!:
1) they don't bring value - they are leeching your freeroll money you put to attract small fish;
2) the small fish gets annoyed by always losing to these leeches and leave your poker, because it's no longer a recreational game but a fight for a few crumbs;
if found guilty of such cheating, you need to pull their record and inform every security detail in your network and deny them the chance to ever return again, or make money transactions! and forfeit their winnngs and return them to your balance [to stage more freeroll 😛]
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Gatortish27 (WPN)
800 games in June, 2016 - you tell me how do you make it in 30 days, just check his stats on sharkscope; it's 27 games per 24 hours per 30 days straight; exploiting freerolls and $25 on-demand tourneys with buy-in $0.50
800 games in June, 2016 - you tell me how do you make it in 30 days, just check his stats on sharkscope; it's 27 games per 24 hours per 30 days straight; exploiting freerolls and $25 on-demand tourneys with buy-in $0.50
luckystar1 (WPN)
500 games in June, 2016 - 17 games per 24 hrs for 30 days straight; main exploit of on-demand freerolls and $25 on-demand;
simply look at the leaderboard
https://www.americascardroom.eu/online-poker-promotions/freerolls-on-demand/
and you can figure out the rest pretty much!
500 games in June, 2016 - 17 games per 24 hrs for 30 days straight; main exploit of on-demand freerolls and $25 on-demand;
simply look at the leaderboard
https://www.americascardroom.eu/online-poker-promotions/freerolls-on-demand/
and you can figure out the rest pretty much!
1DeadPhish (WPN)
570 games in June, 2016 - 19 games per 24 hours per 30 days straight, really??!!
ACR - hear my advice, clean your leaderboard of these leeches!
compare it to a legit player who played a little but made his results by quality play and wins but not by sheer volume of just getting ITN: Aleksand19
570 games in June, 2016 - 19 games per 24 hours per 30 days straight, really??!!
ACR - hear my advice, clean your leaderboard of these leeches!
compare it to a legit player who played a little but made his results by quality play and wins but not by sheer volume of just getting ITN: Aleksand19
the downside is, when you ban these people, it will hinder their business for a while but then they will resurface under different names and become stronger, doing a better job to conceal themselves, as i would have done under such circumstances;
well, for now, i would like to see the leaderboard to be cleaned of this trash, if only for a short period;
well, for now, i would like to see the leaderboard to be cleaned of this trash, if only for a short period;
