Does this happen to you at 888 poker?

Longbow · Aug 3, 2024

I reached the final table in two 888 poker tournaments on the same day, equity hands coming, hitting flops, everything was fine.

But when you reach the final table, you get a good prize, the next day everything changes.
The hands don't come and the flop doesn't connect anymore, rounds pass and cards like K2, J5, T5, A3, 83, 72, T2, K7 come and this continues throughout the tournament, 20, 30 or 50 rounds, and then with the stack almost at the end you receive JJ you go ALL IN try to double and return to the game with the stack at the end and the villain presents an 88 and hits another 8 on flop you are eliminated.

And then you can say okay, there are tournaments where nothing goes right, okay.
But what about when you enter another tournament and everything repeats itself again, and then you enter another 888 poker tournament and it happens again, and again, until the amount you won at those two final tables runs out again.

So I'm not accusing sites or platforms, but this pattern that always repeats itself in the same way is strange to say the least, a debatable subject to say the least.
Well, I hope all this is just a coincidence or the famous "variance" but there are things that happen in poker that leave us reflective.

So this topic is just a reflection on this issue that occurs, due to bad luck, variance, or whatever, but which is questionable.

Poker Orifice · Aug 3, 2024

ZenonBR said:
But what about when you enter another tournament and everything repeats itself again, and then you enter another 888 poker tournament and it happens again, and again, until the amount you won at those two final tables runs out again.

A nicely disguised badbeat gripe thread.

If you're hitting two final tables in same day, THAT is variance!
Also, if you're hitting two final tables and then you bust from another 5 or 6 tournaments and that negates the two final table cashes, you're doing something wrong... ie. not taking into account what variance is (or what it can be like). Hence why if you're not wanting to re-deposit &/or go busto, it is suggested to have 200 buyins (some say 100 but honestly this is way outdated although it'd likely be enough "IF" you're a proven winning player AND if you're playing micro stakes, SMALL FIELD tournaments). Otherwise your odds of going busto are very high.

Have you ever watched a good player playing MTT's? I don't think you have (from reading your posts) because if you had, you'd know what playing MTT's entails. ie. I have watched arguably the #1 online MTT player be at -$540,000 over a 6 month period. But he kept on grinding.... and now he is at over +$3mill since that time. Many of the top players will go on 200 buyin downswings. I've seen many lose months in succession. (these were guys who had winning months for 2years straight). It is normal. It is the nature of MTT play. Get used to it... or play something else.

Tip for you.
The sooner you let go of the conspiracy stuff, or the 'poor me'... 'I am so unlucky', etc. etc. The sooner you'll be fpcusing on better things... resulting in improved play.

MK_ · Aug 3, 2024

I think what separates the wheat from the chaff is what you do when the cards don't come...,

cards don't fall into your lap most of the time, it's also hard to make a pair or connect post flop.....

what do you do when the dealer doesn't favor you which is going to be a lot of the time,

....do you fold and sit there blinding out, do you blame the dealer or the site,

or do you play position, play the player, play poker.... the choice is yours👍

I Live Poker · Aug 3, 2024

ZenonBR said:
I reached the final table in two 888 poker tournaments on the same day, equity hands coming, hitting flops, everything was fine.

But when you reach the final table, you get a good prize, the next day everything changes.
The hands don't come and the flop doesn't connect anymore, rounds pass and cards like K2, J5, T5, A3, 83, 72, T2, K7 come and this continues throughout the tournament, 20, 30 or 50 rounds, and then with the stack almost at the end you receive JJ you go ALL IN try to double and return to the game with the stack at the end and the villain presents an 88 and hits another 8 on flop you are eliminated.

And then you can say okay, there are tournaments where nothing goes right, okay.
But what about when you enter another tournament and everything repeats itself again, and then you enter another 888 poker tournament and it happens again, and again, until the amount you won at those two final tables runs out again.

So I'm not accusing sites or platforms, but this pattern that always repeats itself in the same way is strange to say the least, a debatable subject to say the least.
Well, I hope all this is just a coincidence or the famous "variance" but there are things that happen in poker that leave us reflective.

So this topic is just a reflection on this issue that occurs, due to bad luck, variance, or whatever, but which is questionable.

crying with a full belly. I've been losing for a year and two months, about 20K, with aggressive Reggie stats. Of course I've had some insignificant victories.
And in the end he's still a coward, I'm not accusing him. It's like go **** yourself, with all due respect.

Jokes aside, man, that's it. Poker is a game, man, either you have money to have fun, or you grind like crazy and pray that the glass slipper in the rooms fits your foot.
It's an illusion to think that studying technique overcomes the luck factor, bad luck can hit you as much as it wants. It's hell, either you become the devil or you lose.

I Live Poker · Aug 3, 2024

Poker Orifice said:
A nicely disguised badbeat gripe thread.

If you're hitting two final tables in same day, THAT is variance!
Also, if you're hitting two final tables and then you bust from another 5 or 6 tournaments and that negates the two final table cashes, you're doing something wrong... ie. not taking into account what variance is (or what it can be like). Hence why if you're not wanting to re-deposit &/or go busto, it is suggested to have 200 buyins (some say 100 but honestly this is way outdated although it'd likely be enough "IF" you're a proven winning player AND if you're playing micro stakes, SMALL FIELD tournaments). Otherwise your odds of going busto are very high.

Have you ever watched a good player playing MTT's? I don't think you have (from reading your posts) because if you had, you'd know what playing MTT's entails. ie. I have watched arguably the #1 online MTT player be at -$540,000 over a 6 month period. But he kept on grinding.... and now he is at over +$3mill since that time. Many of the top players will go on 200 buyin downswings. I've seen many lose months in succession. (these were guys who had winning months for 2years straight). It is normal. It is the nature of MTT play. Get used to it... or play something else.

Tip for you.
The sooner you let go of the conspiracy stuff, or the 'poor me'... 'I am so unlucky', etc. etc. The sooner you'll be fpcusing on better things... resulting in improved play.

"Damn man!" You don't let anyone get away with tilting around here, is that your job here?
"The frustrated hunter"

Longbow · Aug 3, 2024

I Live Poker said:
crying with a full belly. I've been losing for a year and two months, about 20K, with aggressive Reggie stats. Of course I've had some insignificant victories.
And in the end he's still a coward, I'm not accusing him. It's like go **** yourself, with all due respect.
Jokes aside, man, that's it. Poker is a game, man, either you have money to have fun, or you grind like crazy and pray that the glass slipper in the rooms fits your foot.
It's an illusion to think that studying technique overcomes the luck factor, bad luck can hit you as much as it wants. It's hell, either you become the devil or you lose.

It makes sense, I'm starting to think like that too, the question of being profitable depends more on what you receive in hand.

I Live Poker · Aug 3, 2024

ZenonBR said:
It makes sense, I'm starting to think like that too, the question of being profitable depends more on what you receive in hand.

There's no way around it, man, I've come to this conclusion. I did almost everything right, and it can go wrong, there's no security whatsoever in the technical base.
When we win after studying or reaching conclusions, we tend to attribute the results to our adjustments, but that doesn't mean anything, man.
You can be a lucky winner, you can be a winner playing badly, the more money you have, the more results and chances you'll have, the less pressure you have from money, the less tilt you'll have, and so on.

I realize this, man, your mental state, confidence, focus, resilience and perception are without a doubt the most relevant attributes in poker, the technical part is necessary, however, at some point it runs out and there's nothing else to do.
People talk about professionals, but that's a load of crap, they're professionals because they have a good image, reach, communicative skills and charisma. Because when it comes to poker, everyone is on equal terms, except for their mentality.
Of course, I'm not considering the minimum necessary to be competitive here, it's good for you to understand how the deck works and the tricks that are learned through repetition and practice, this then becomes intrinsic to you and natural, it becomes like intuition.

Newzooozooo · Aug 4, 2024

I've been playing at 888 for many years, more than 6 for sure. I've never noticed anything like this, it's just never happened to me. Maybe I have a different perception of how my game is going or my results, but nevertheless, I definitely haven't noticed any such patterns. Everyone just has good and bad days, weeks or even months

millya5 · Aug 4, 2024

ZenonBR said:
I reached the final table in two 888 poker tournaments on the same day, equity hands coming, hitting flops, everything was fine.

But when you reach the final table, you get a good prize, the next day everything changes.
The hands don't come and the flop doesn't connect anymore, rounds pass and cards like K2, J5, T5, A3, 83, 72, T2, K7 come and this continues throughout the tournament, 20, 30 or 50 rounds, and then with the stack almost at the end you receive JJ you go ALL IN try to double and return to the game with the stack at the end and the villain presents an 88 and hits another 8 on flop you are eliminated.

And then you can say okay, there are tournaments where nothing goes right, okay.
But what about when you enter another tournament and everything repeats itself again, and then you enter another 888 poker tournament and it happens again, and again, until the amount you won at those two final tables runs out again.

So I'm not accusing sites or platforms, but this pattern that always repeats itself in the same way is strange to say the least, a debatable subject to say the least.
Well, I hope all this is just a coincidence or the famous "variance" but there are things that happen in poker that leave us reflective.

So this topic is just a reflection on this issue that occurs, due to bad luck, variance, or whatever, but which is questionable.

I also had such observations.
...I'll just add one more..

I noticed when you do Withdrawing money..What happens is that you...don't have a map..I reassure myself with only one thing: a random number generator

Poker Orifice · Aug 4, 2024

I Live Poker said:
"Damn man!" You don't let anyone get away with tilting around here, is that your job here?
"The frustrated hunter"

Actually I thought my post was very good. It was intended to be informative & helpful to the OP. I didn't get a response from them but did seem to notice they chose to opt for the 'luck fallacy' instead which you wrote about.

Zenon, if it's all about the cards you get, why is it that there's some players who are consistent winners, year after year? And why is it that these same players are putting in the work? fwiw, I have a friend who has made $150- $200k+ each year for the past 10years and they've only had 1 score above $30k so they arguably haven't found the glass slipper that fits. No... instead they are above average intelligence and they have an amazing work ethic. They stay motivated because they LOVE the game!

fundiver199 · Aug 4, 2024

Poker Orifice has given some very good advice already. But just to elaborate a bit: Yes it happens to everyone everywhere poker is played both live and online. Its easy to confuse sunrunning with normalcy and normalcy with running bad. This is because, we all want to win, and many also overestimate their own skills compared to the field.

member401988 · Aug 4, 2024

ZenonBR said:
I reached the final table in two 888 poker tournaments on the same day, equity hands coming, hitting flops, everything was fine.

But when you reach the final table, you get a good prize, the next day everything changes.
The hands don't come and the flop doesn't connect anymore, rounds pass and cards like K2, J5, T5, A3, 83, 72, T2, K7 come and this continues throughout the tournament, 20, 30 or 50 rounds, and then with the stack almost at the end you receive JJ you go ALL IN try to double and return to the game with the stack at the end and the villain presents an 88 and hits another 8 on flop you are eliminated.

And then you can say okay, there are tournaments where nothing goes right, okay.
But what about when you enter another tournament and everything repeats itself again, and then you enter another 888 poker tournament and it happens again, and again, until the amount you won at those two final tables runs out again.

So I'm not accusing sites or platforms, but this pattern that always repeats itself in the same way is strange to say the least, a debatable subject to say the least.
Well, I hope all this is just a coincidence or the famous "variance" but there are things that happen in poker that leave us reflective.

So this topic is just a reflection on this issue that occurs, due to bad luck, variance, or whatever, but which is questionable.

I like that people are looking for solutions to why the game is not going well
what you say happens to everyone sooner or later
if you don't like poker, my advice is to find more pleasant ways to spend your money!

dreamer13 · Aug 4, 2024

It's not you who plays, but computer programs, you just click on the mouse. 888 poker is not fair to players, to win there, you need to make deposits constantly.

millya5 · Aug 4, 2024

dreamer13 said:
It's not you who plays, but computer programs, you just click on the mouse. 888 poker is not fair to players, to win there, you need to make deposits constantly.

That's what I'm talking about, it's a random number generator. Well it's impossible to prove .

The random number generator helps the player who has a large stack .

I've seen this many times with a garbage hand and they win.

In short, how many people... so many opinions

I Live Poker · Aug 4, 2024

Poker Orifice said:
Actually I thought my post was very good. It was intended to be informative & helpful to the OP. I didn't get a response from them but did seem to notice they chose to opt for the 'luck fallacy' instead which you wrote about.

Zenon, if it's all about the cards you get, why is it that there's some players who are consistent winners, year after year? And why is it that these same players are putting in the work? fwiw, I have a friend who has made $150- $200k+ each year for the past 10years and they've only had 1 score above $30k so they arguably haven't found the glass slipper that fits. No... instead they are above average intelligence and they have an amazing work ethic. They stay motivated because they LOVE the game!

Yes, I know! It was just a joke.
The answer to your question is simple...
Because they are lucky!
Now answer me two questions:
- Why are there so many very good and competitive players, yet they are not among the most successful? What makes the difference?
- If everyone reaches an equal technical level and plays against each other, what makes the winner different from the others?
- I'll go further, if everyone plays without knowing anything, what defines the winner?

I Live Poker · Aug 4, 2024

fundiver199 said:
Poker Orifice has given some very good advice already. But just to elaborate a bit: Yes it happens to everyone everywhere poker is played both live and online. Its easy to confuse sunrunning with normalcy and normalcy with running bad. This is because, we all want to win, and many also overestimate their own skills compared to the field.

Well, higher levels do have some better players, but it's full of horrible players. I'd say that micros are 75% fish, low 65%. Man, I see people flattering renowned players, and when I see them playing live I'm perplexed. They're very weak and predictable players. And they seem to be very educated on the subject. It's very easy to find reasons why things work out, and reasons why things have gone wrong. The hard part is admitting that poker is a game of chance, with a skill factor that represents less than 30% of the overall game.

Another example is here, look at Phil Helmuth. If you tell me that he's a bad player and that he overestimates his skills for the field, you'll be making a joke.

I Live Poker · Aug 4, 2024

millya5 said:
That's what I'm talking about, it's a random number generator. Well it's impossible to prove .

The random number generator helps the player who has a large stack .

I've seen this many times with a garbage hand and they win.

In short, how many people... so many opinions

Well, patterns and opinions aside, I'll leave one more here that I noticed on almost all sites. It could be that I attracted this pattern with my mind, so here I'll clear up my doubt.
How many of you take most of the bad beats minutes before the break?

I Live Poker · Aug 4, 2024

My dears, don't get me wrong, I love this game more than anyone here, but we have to be aware of the nature of this game, it's luck guys!

puzzlefish · Aug 4, 2024

ZenonBR said:
I reached the final table in two 888 poker tournaments on the same day, equity hands coming, hitting flops, everything was fine.

But when you reach the final table, you get a good prize, the next day everything changes.
The hands don't come and the flop doesn't connect anymore, rounds pass and cards like K2, J5, T5, A3, 83, 72, T2, K7 come and this continues throughout the tournament, 20, 30 or 50 rounds, and then with the stack almost at the end you receive JJ you go ALL IN try to double and return to the game with the stack at the end and the villain presents an 88 and hits another 8 on flop you are eliminated.

And then you can say okay, there are tournaments where nothing goes right, okay.
But what about when you enter another tournament and everything repeats itself again, and then you enter another 888 poker tournament and it happens again, and again, until the amount you won at those two final tables runs out again.

So I'm not accusing sites or platforms, but this pattern that always repeats itself in the same way is strange to say the least, a debatable subject to say the least.
Well, I hope all this is just a coincidence or the famous "variance" but there are things that happen in poker that leave us reflective.

So this topic is just a reflection on this issue that occurs, due to bad luck, variance, or whatever, but which is questionable.

This can happen on any poker site, not just 888. It's something built into the game of poker itself.

Sunz of Beaches · Aug 4, 2024

dreamer13 said:
It's not you who plays, but computer programs, you just click on the mouse. 888 poker is not fair to players, to win there, you need to make deposits constantly.

millya5 said:
That's what I'm talking about, it's a random number generator. Well it's impossible to prove .

The random number generator helps the player who has a large stack .

I've seen this many times with a garbage hand and they win.

In short, how many people... so many opinions

People explained already how its working on various occasions but u 2 guys wont learn or understand anything at all, its incredible.

Played against u both multiple times and u guys play exactly how u post

Sunz of Beaches · Aug 4, 2024

puzzlefish said:
This can happen on any poker site, not just 888. It's something built into the game of poker itself.

Its called Poker. The game of Poker. Incredible, isnt't it?

Sunz of Beaches · Aug 4, 2024

I Live Poker said:
My dears, don't get me wrong, I love this game more than anyone here, but we have to be aware of the nature of this game, it's luck guys!

Luck is only important in the short run. And no, the only thing (i think) u do more than everyone else here is overestimating ur own abilities.

I Live Poker · Aug 4, 2024

Suns of Beaches said:
Luck is only important in the short run. And no, the only thing (i think) u do more than everyone else here is overestimating ur own abilities.

You are bitter and negative, but the way you respond poorly and are simply meant to offend players and members shows what you are good at.

If this attitude of yours is reflected in poker, you must be the greatest player of all time.

You are based on theory and use it to attack people. Maybe you do this to try to feel better than other people. If you were a winner and your words had any real meaning, you wouldn't even say them. You would be the example and you wouldn't have time to waste here.

But some people discuss their experiences and perceptions to achieve wisdom and collective understanding, not for futile intellectualism that only serves to justify what has already happened, and so maybe one day they will feel a little more important than they are.

Sunz of Beaches · Aug 4, 2024

I Live Poker said:
You are bitter and negative, but the way you respond poorly and are simply meant to offend players and members shows what you are good at.

If this attitude of yours is reflected in poker, you must be the greatest player of all time.

You are based on theory and use it to attack people. Maybe you do this to try to feel better than other people. If you were a winner and your words had any real meaning, you wouldn't even say them. You would be the example and you wouldn't have time to waste here.

But some people discuss their experiences and perceptions to achieve wisdom and collective understanding, not for futile intellectualism that only serves to justify what has already happened, and so maybe one day they will feel a little more important than they are.

I did not attack anyone. Only stating what i think are facts.

U dont "love the game more than everyone else here". Otherwise u would not post ur weird rigged theories and other complete nonsense related to the game. Its a simple fact.

"To achieve Wisdom and collective understanding" 😆😆😅...that was a good one coming from u my friend. I think i did not have a better laugh in quite some time 😂🤣🤣

Its very obv to me why u gave the smile emoticon to this post:

fundiver199 said:
Poker Orifice has given some very good advice already. But just to elaborate a bit: Yes it happens to everyone everywhere poker is played both live and online. Its easy to confuse sunrunning with normalcy and normalcy with running bad. This is because, we all want to win, and many also overestimate their own skills compared to the field.

😉

I Live Poker · Aug 4, 2024

Suns of Beaches said:
No sorry u dont "like the game more than everyone else here" otherwise u would not post ur weird rigged theories and other complete nonsense related to the game.

"To achieve Wisdom and collective understanding" 😆😆😅...that was a good one coming from u my friend. I think i did not have a better laugh in quite some time 😂🤣🤣

Its very obv to me why u gave the smile emoticon to this post:

😉

The light of truth. Covering up the nature of what really is, and sucking up and distorting something that is not about skill to attract more people for the wrong reasons is not my thing.

I understand your position, but understand that nothing lasts forever. Live off the crumbs. And keep raising high a flag that is not yours, that is not your inner truth, the heads of state come and take away the flag and you may be left without a real reason, empty and perplexed. Go there, little fish, swim as deep as you can!

Defending the rooms won't make you the best player in the world, just a sycophant and slave to the gears.

You may be in a good moment and everything is going well for you, but rest assured that bad luck can hit you at some point and you will understand what I am talking about.✌️

Does this happen to you at 888 poker?

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