Does this happen to you at 888 poker?

martinoni said:

There's something a learned playing poker... If you don't have a bluff range to balance in the tourneys that you don't often get AA, KK, AK, and stuff, then you're playing a lucky game. For me poker is 20% luck and 80% skill.

I think that 80% or more players don't study anything about poker, and so in life. That's why we often see less but the same guys winning a lot and the others not.

So it doesn't matter if it is 888poker or any other platform. The 80% lucky players that don't study are always there but more often we we'll see in the top the reggies that study more.

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One observation, where you say about bluff or semi bluff that can be used as a tool, opponents are playing aggressively receiving hands like AK, AQ, QQ, KK frequently.

So you add all this up, no hands of value come, you don't connect anything on the flop and your opponents still play aggressively, when you finally receive a JJ, AK you try to double and return to the game and are eliminated, when you use the semi bluff in position you get raised and don't hit the flop, then villain raises again post flop, what do you do?

You give up or commit suicide.

So @martinoni I don't know if you've experienced this repeatedly, but it happens that way to me, hence the frustration.
But like I said, I hope this is just variance, as not even the most skilled player can play in this scenario.

I Live Poker said:

There's a crazy hand here, hot from the oven, 10 minutes ago... @ZenonBR
I'm very lucky to see all these crazy things, nobody wants to go through this, but when you win, the vultures come back, the gossips come to congratulate you and flatter you.
And this is nothing compared to what I've been going through for over a year, I only posted it because it's very current.

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I agree with you in some aspects, but regarding the example you gave in the image, in this scenario with the 3 hearts on the flop, even if the UTG villain was Limp or Raise in the pre flop, after the post flop you can do the reading about a possible Ace high with Villain's Flush, especially if in the post flop with three hearts he increases his aggression, you can do this reading and fold, so this time I have to agree with the colleagues above, even though I sometimes don't agree with the form how these subjects are debated, often with some excesses and offenses, but apart from these issues, they are debates that help us evolve in the game and learn how poker works from reports from other players.

ZenonBR said:

I reached the final table in two 888 poker tournaments on the same day, equity hands coming, hitting flops, everything was fine.

But when you reach the final table, you get a good prize, the next day everything changes.
The hands don't come and the flop doesn't connect anymore, rounds pass and cards like K2, J5, T5, A3, 83, 72, T2, K7 come and this continues throughout the tournament, 20, 30 or 50 rounds, and then with the stack almost at the end you receive JJ you go ALL IN try to double and return to the game with the stack at the end and the villain presents an 88 and hits another 8 on flop you are eliminated.

And then you can say okay, there are tournaments where nothing goes right, okay.
But what about when you enter another tournament and everything repeats itself again, and then you enter another 888 poker tournament and it happens again, and again, until the amount you won at those two final tables runs out again.

So I'm not accusing sites or platforms, but this pattern that always repeats itself in the same way is strange to say the least, a debatable subject to say the least.
Well, I hope all this is just a coincidence or the famous "variance" but there are things that happen in poker that leave us reflective.

So this topic is just a reflection on this issue that occurs, due to bad luck, variance, or whatever, but which is questionable.

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I have not noticed such a pattern. In any business, absolutely any business, there are periods of growth and periods of decline, and our task is to make the most of the growth periods, to do everything to make these growth periods last as long as possible, and to try to minimise our losses in the periods of decline.

ZenonBR said:

I agree with you in some aspects, but regarding the example you gave in the image, in this scenario with the 3 hearts on the flop, even if the UTG villain was Limp or Raise in the pre flop, after the post flop you can do the reading about a possible Ace high i with Villain's Flush, especially if in the postwith three hearts he increases his aggression, you can do this reading and fold, so this time I have to agree with the colleagues above, even though I sometimes don't agree with the form how these subjects are debated, often with some excesses and offenses, but apart from these issues, they are debates that help us evolve in the game and learn how poker works from thatreports from other players.

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There is absolute no way he can fold this hand postflop in a 1 dollar tournament imo. just read and then fold, right? 😅

As if u would find a fold there lol ❤️ ❤️❤️

Suns of Beaches said:

There is absolute no way he can fold this hand postflop in a 1 dollar tournament imo. just read and then fold, right? 😅

As if u would find a fold there lol ❤️ ❤️❤️

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The correct option would be to fold, we don't really know the context of how the play went, if the villain kept checking to trap until the river, it's justifiable for him to have called, now if after beating the 3 hearts the villain increased his aggression, that's at least I suspect he has a high Ace, Q or K, of all this he is losing, so depending on how this action occurred the fold was correct, if as I said the villain checked until the river, the error is justifiable, otherwise it was really fold.

Suns of Beaches said:

There is absolute no way he can fold this hand postflop in a 1 dollar tournament imo. just read and then fold, right? 😅

As if u would find a fold there lol ❤️ ❤️❤️

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But believe what is convenient for you, after all you have the right to believe what you want.

ZenonBR said:

The correct option would be to fold, we don't really know the context of how the play went, if the villain kept checking to trap until the river, it's justifiable for him to have called, now if after beating the 3 hearts the villain increased his aggression, that's at least I suspect he has a high Ace, Q or K, of all this he is losing, so depending on how this action occurred the fold was correct, if as I said the villain checked until the river, the error is justifiable, otherwise it was really fold.

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No the correct option in general would not be to fold. U only say that because u know the cards.

If u know the cards then its very easy to make such statements.

So stay with your reason and your fantasy world little boy.

ZenonBR said:

So stay with your reason and your fantasy world little boy.

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U are not even able to send the correct documents to a pokersite amigo 😂😂😂 how do u want to fold a flopped jack high flush?

Suns of Beaches said:

U are not even able to send the correct documents to a pokersite amigo 😂😂😂 how do u want to fold a flopped jack high flush?

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This situation has already been resolved little boy, you have almost no significant results in poker hands, this already shows who you are as a player, and you still want to teach others a moral lesson!
You're just a joke.

ZenonBR said:

This situation has already been resolved little boy, you have almost no significant results in poker hands, this already shows who you are as a player, and you still want to teach others a moral lesson!
You're just a joke.

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How do u want to know that? I have accounts on like 10 different sites and i mix my volume over those sites with various game formats: cash, sit and goes, spins, freerolls, rarely tournaments. I almost never play games that last over 4 hours. So no long tournaments, no real big scores yes (u were right about that if this is what u meant with lol "pokerhand scores"). About my cardschat freeroll results im not going to talk with u 😀

What has this to do with moral lesson? U might want to google the words and their meaning first before u use them.

U would never fold that hand ingame, period. U only say this because u know the cards, dont lie to urself (and us 😉).

Suns of Beaches said:

There is absolute no way he can fold this hand postflop in a 1 dollar tournament imo. just read and then fold, right? 😅

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Just for the record I am not saying, that the J high flush should have folded. It seems like pot was around 150BB, and since they were 3-ways, they started with around 50BB each. In that situation I would also not be looking to get away from any flush on an unpaired 3-flush board. But I dont think, a J high flush should always raise especially with 3-way action. So maybe Hero could have lost a smaller pot by not raising.

And if the turn action went like bet from UTG, call from Hero, raise from BB, 3-bet jam from UTG, then folding could actually be considered, because what do we think, the other guys are raising and reraising each other with if not flushes? Most of which are better than our J high flush. But we dont know this, since only the results were shared.

However the main point here is, that while flush over flush on a 3-flush board is always a bit of a cooler, in this particular case it was not like a crazy cooler. If you have 99 and lose to QQ on a QQ993 board, thats a crazy cooler, because only one combo beat 99. But here Hero was against two opponents, both of whom could have at least 12 combos of better flushes each.

So this is more like a situation, where there is heavy action preflop like a raise, a 3-bet, a cold 4-bet and then a call 50BB deep. If we are the 3-better and decide to overcall with QQ, would we then call it a "crazy hand", if it turns out, we are against AA and JJ? I mean... maybe its ok, that we get it in, because it could also have been AK and JJ or two AKs. But its not like, its super unlikely, that at least one opponent has AA or KK given such preflop action.

Suns of Beaches said:

How do u want to know that? I have accounts on like 10 different sites and i mix my volume over those sites with various game formats: cash, sit and goes, spins, freerolls, rarely tournaments. I almost never play games that last over 4 hours. So no long tournaments, no real big scores yes (u were right about that if this is what u meant with lol "pokerhand scores"). About my cardschat freeroll results im not going to talk with u 😀

What has this to do with moral lesson? U might want to google the words and their meaning first before u use them.

U would never fold that hand ingame, period. U only say this because u know the cards, dont lie to urself. In fact u would probably not even fold a set there (and i probably would not too in many situations).

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By coincidence this situation happened to me just now, so you don't know anything about my game.

Answering your question.



So yes I give up, you believe that your words are the truth, as I told you you live in your fantasy world, but if it makes you happy stay in it.

ZenonBR said:

So yes I give up, you believe that your words are the truth, as I told you you live in your fantasy world, but if it makes you happy stay in it.

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Of course its pretty easy to get away from a flush on a dubble paired board, where in this case you would lose to any hand with a 5 or 6 as well as 77 and better flushes. And it was still a fairly massive pot of over 100BB, which suggest, that you put in to many chips chasing after a bad draw on a paired board.

ZenonBR said:

By coincidence this situation happened to me just now, so you don't know anything about my game.

Answering your question.

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So yes I give up, you believe that your words are the truth, as I told you you live in your fantasy world, but if it makes you happy stay in it.

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U should definitely give up. Especially after this post which shows a completely different situation with a double paired board and u still loosing a bunch of chips after chasing a bad draw with a hand u should not even play from that position.

That post alone basically confirms everything i said 🥲 yeah sure the same guy like in that picture is able to fold a flopped jack high flush on a non paired board 🥱😆🤣🤣🤣

In my opinion, since you are doing this analysis, you should then withdraw part of that amount.

Suns of Beaches said:

U should definitely give up. Especially after this post which shows a completely different situation with a double paired board and u still loosing a bunch of chips after chasing a bad draw with a hand u should not even play from that position.

That post alone basically confirms everything i said 🥲 yeah sure the same guy like in that picture is able to fold a flopped jack high flush on a non paired board 🥱😆🤣🤣🤣

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Sorry, but after that you can get on with your poker reasons. 🤣🤣

ZenonBR said:

Sorry, but after that you can get on with your poker reasons. 🤣🤣

https://www.replaypoker.com/hand/replay/1167152843

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Im honestly not too unhappy about the play.

I almost folded this hand preflop but i decided against the type of players behind me i can profitable steal with it in the long run. Was a very close decision. The shove in the flop yeah its maybe a bit questionable but i played a lot against him in the past (will not explain anything further to u since u would not get it).

Happens, poker is not a game were every move works all the time. He had it this time.

Plus this was a community freeroll 🤣🤣🤣what a guy u are my friend what a guy. But i will continue to read u out of pure amusement.

Suns of Beaches said:

Plus this was a community freeroll 🤣🤣🤣what a guy u are my friend what a guy. But i will continue to read u out of pure amusement.

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I have no more reason to talk to you, 🤣😂 good luck with your theories. Be happy.

Good luck with ur theories too 😂😂 and ur documents 😆

Btw: no it does not happen to me or to anyone else at 888 poker. U are a alone with it.

😅

ZenonBR said:

I reached the final table in two 888 poker tournaments on the same day, equity hands coming, hitting flops, everything was fine.

But when you reach the final table, you get a good prize, the next day everything changes.
The hands don't come and the flop doesn't connect anymore, rounds pass and cards like K2, J5, T5, A3, 83, 72, T2, K7 come and this continues throughout the tournament, 20, 30 or 50 rounds, and then with the stack almost at the end you receive JJ you go ALL IN try to double and return to the game with the stack at the end and the villain presents an 88 and hits another 8 on flop you are eliminated.

And then you can say okay, there are tournaments where nothing goes right, okay.
But what about when you enter another tournament and everything repeats itself again, and then you enter another 888 poker tournament and it happens again, and again, until the amount you won at those two final tables runs out again.

So I'm not accusing sites or platforms, but this pattern that always repeats itself in the same way is strange to say the least, a debatable subject to say the least.
Well, I hope all this is just a coincidence or the famous "variance" but there are things that happen in poker that leave us reflective.

So this topic is just a reflection on this issue that occurs, due to bad luck, variance, or whatever, but which is questionable.

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Dude, believe me, most of us don't make it to the final table every day, and that's okay. Poker is designed to bring profit to the owners of poker sites, not to the players
Nevertheless, if you are patient and disciplined enough, thanks to our freerolls, you can at least avoid spending your own money on the game

Things were going well for two months earlier this year, and I often made it to the last table. Then there was a sharp decline in the good map. And even if I played with a good map, my opponent did better. You could say there's a black streak in the game. I've been playing for a long time and I don't think this is due to a decrease in my level of play. This is a common bad luck that will eventually fade away.

888 is a an absolute joke site not even worth opening it.

WrongUsername said:

888 is a an absolute joke site not even worth opening it.

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888 tries to promote the game together with CC. People like u take on those free offers and have nothing better to do then write bad reviews about the site online (on the site that cooperates with 888). No reasons given.

So why are u frequently in those freerolls if the site is such a joke? U open this site urself on a regular basis.

What u do is comparable to a homeless guy who has no food and no idea about food quality. This guy goes every wednesday to a local restaurant for their free burger promotion. After eating this guy then waits in the entrance and tells everyone who comes in how bad these burgers are. A true hypocrite 😉