don't exist the option ''min raise and see the flop'' with Q2 broD0nk3y Hunt3r said:
That's still enough for a comeback after all. ☺️D0nk3y Hunt3r said:
What?? 😯 Yes, it is. And I'm not even talking about hitting a pair.Kinalha said:
Hitting a pair would help, of course, though I wasn't thinking about it.Andyreas said:
What were you thinking about then? Everyone folding? Or making a flush?D0nk3y Hunt3r said:
There are many board textures where you can make a safe move with high card. Seeing a flop can reduce a risk of coin flip.Andyreas said:
That's actually whole point of this thread, the assumption that you don't-have/have-minimal folding equity.Andyreas said:So why not use your fold equity and make the first move yourself.
Raise for you fold for any shove? And when i said any, is any, because versus a regular players you gonna be spotted 90% of the time playing like that, tell me a board who anyone call your raise and u feel confortable for any flop with Q2. If you raise with that, and get called, any flop for you is horrible (obvious if u hit some monster is another history, but this happen 5%- of the time..) If you raise 2x and BB defends, any flop for you is horrible, bro, Q2 is not a playable hand in this conditions hahaha i try helps, and i think Andyreas try too, but if u are convincent Q2 are a good play to raise and play a flop with 10 bb's, keep doing hahahaD0nk3y Hunt3r said:
You play poker for hitting cards? Do you know you only hit the flop 30% of time at HU? And in this case, with Q2 when you hit, can be you tournament die lolD0nk3y Hunt3r said:
This is the point bro, not FIND a coin flip, if you shove you can escape, when you raise, aaaaaall the another weak hands can call your raise with 10 BBsD0nk3y Hunt3r said:
You had one job, to understand what you read.Kinalha said:
337, insta shove.Kinalha said:
No folding equity, what exactly you don't understand.Kinalha said:
Of course you have less fold equity below 10 BBs and definitely have none with 4 BBs anymore due to pot odds. But everything in between depends on your opponents. I've shoved within 4-10 quite a few times and would loved a call but just got folds. 😅D0nk3y Hunt3r said:
That's actually worse than a coin flip, if we assume BB can have any two cards:D0nk3y Hunt3r said:
Oh, you prayge for this flop when get called with 10 BB, and think your opponent don't call you with any pair or overs? or worse if the BB calls and hit all this cards rangeD0nk3y Hunt3r said:
using the example you did on board 337 if you shove the flop, you will get called with all flop hits, and BB hands like 54/63/24/65 because YOU give equity to all these hands by raising with 10 bbs. If you just shove pre-flop, you'd pull in some chips, and keep your tournament life, but after YOU give equity to these weak hands, you might fall out of the tournament for giving those hands equity. (assuming that the BB or whoever calls you has a stack that favors more calls)D0nk3y Hunt3r said:
More than that, i don't know what we can do xDAndyreas said:
I have a question, you play regular mtts or only freerolls?D0nk3y Hunt3r said:You had one job, to understand what you read.
I agree, in freerolls some situations like this are effective, but in regular mtts, where regular players are more aggressive, this player will certainly take advantage in situations of limps/short stacksBelFish said:
Then tell what you mean by normal play. After all, we are talking about a stack of 10bb. Does he call all-ins 1/3 of the time? Or do you mean raise over 2BB? But raising 3BB, or even 2.5BB with a 10BB stack is probably not very right, then shoving is definitely better...rastapapolos said: