Game against very tight nits

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Hey everyone !
I recently ran into a very specific player profile in a freeroll and wanted to get the community's take on the mathematical approach. With 7% vpip
This player suddenly open-shoved for 30 BB from early/middle position.
Knowing this player is an extreme "Ultra-Nit" who basically only plays the top 5% of hands, my assessment was that an open-shove for 30 BB is heavily weighted towards hands like QQ+, AK, and occasionally AQ.
I held AKo and called, dominating his AQo. But it got me thinking about the exact boundary of a profitable calling range here, especially with ICM implications in mind near or at a Final Table.
Would you snap-call AKo / AKs here every time?
Where do you draw the line? Are hands like JJ or AQs a fold against a 7.5% VPIP player jamming 30 BB direct?
Looking forward to hearing how you guys adjust against these extreme line plays!
 
Does you think he jams AA and KK for 30bbs. Seems to me like he jams the hands he doesn't really wanna play, like AQ, maybe AJ, 99, TT etc, then likely just raises his better stuff QQ+ maybe AKs

But, in answer to your question, I do prob think you can fold AQ JJ to a 30 bb shove to that player, as surely you have an edge in this game, and can take his chips by stealing etc, rather than sure gambling on flips or worse.

It also depends what type of freeroll it is, and how many hands you had, if its only say 50, then its not overly reliable really
 
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How big is your own stack and how many behind you might also join in the party?
 
Play loosely, steal their blinds, and 3-bet them pre-flop.When making a half-pot continuation bet, you only need to get folds one-third of the time to break even—and the average nit will fold much more often than that on the flop.When floating, it is also important to ensure you have at least some equity to fall back on. You shouldn't float with completely empty hands.
 
Such an ultra-nit, that open-shoves 30 BB from EP or MP, will not do such a move with an overbluffed wide range.
Calling AKo ist still fine because QQ/AK are your target hands, AA and KK are villains pure value hands
(QQ is dominated, AK may split or only wins if suited on flush boards with their flush). AQs/o and TT, JJ are absolutely clear folds.
ICM-spots force you to be extremely value heavy here (AA, KK only) because flips are extreme costly.
AKs/o may be profitable calls, but keep in mind this is a flip situation.
 
SpanRmonka said:
Does you think he jams AA and KK for 30bbs. Seems to me like he jams the hands he doesn't really wanna play, like AQ, maybe AJ, 99, TT etc, then likely just raises his better stuff QQ+ maybe AKs
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Yes an oversized jam is often that kind of condensed range. Its basically someone saying "I have Jacks, and I hate them, so please fold". In freerolls it can however also be someone going for a quick "dubble or nothing" with random nonsense. Also worth noting, that 7% VPIP can be due to the player sitting out for an extended period of time, which often happen in freerolls.
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But, in answer to your question, I do prob think you can fold AQ JJ to a 30 bb shove to that player, as surely you have an edge in this game, and can take his chips by stealing etc, rather than sure gambling on flips or worse.
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JJ and AQ are very different hands in this scenario. With JJ we dominate all his lower pairs and are slightly ahead of AK/AQ. With AQ we are crushed by AK and slightly behind to any pocket pair. So with JJ and even TT I would pretty much beat him into the pot, especially in a freeroll, but AQ can be folded to a tight player. Against a random freeroll donk I probably also call with AQ. If he has 22 and win the flip, then good game and on to the next one.
 
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tigre666 said:
Hey everyone !
I recently ran into a very specific player profile in a freeroll and wanted to get the community's take on the mathematical approach. With 7% vpip
This player suddenly open-shoved for 30 BB from early/middle position.
Knowing this player is an extreme "Ultra-Nit" who basically only plays the top 5% of hands, my assessment was that an open-shove for 30 BB is heavily weighted towards hands like QQ+, AK, and occasionally AQ.
I held AKo and called, dominating his AQo. But it got me thinking about the exact boundary of a profitable calling range here, especially with ICM implications in mind near or at a Final Table.
Would you snap-call AKo / AKs here every time?
Where do you draw the line? Are hands like JJ or AQs a fold against a 7.5% VPIP player jamming 30 BB direct?
Looking forward to hearing how you guys adjust against these extreme line plays!
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In poker, I think you have to consider several factors before making a decision: the villain's stack, your own stack, the tournament stage, and the situation at the table.

The first thing I'd want to know is how many BB he had before shoving 30 BB. If he had 35 BB, he was risking almost his entire tournament life. If he had 100 BB+, 30 BB represents a very different situation.

So before deciding whether AKo, AKs, JJ or AQs is a call or fold, I'd like to know how big his stack was and how big yours was at the time
 
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SpanRmonka said:
Does you think he jams AA and KK for 30bbs. Seems to me like he jams the hands he doesn't really wanna play, like AQ, maybe AJ, 99, TT etc, then likely just raises his better stuff QQ+ maybe AKs

But, in answer to your question, I do prob think you can fold AQ JJ to a 30 bb shove to that player, as surely you have an edge in this game, and can take his chips by stealing etc, rather than sure gambling on flips or worse.

It also depends what type of freeroll it is, and how many hands you had, if its only say 50, then its not overly reliable really
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Yeah that's what i thought this profile don't know how play AJ+ and can't fold them
Not at all—so they just jam and let chance take its course.
 
Players don't always play sensibly in free tournaments; if you want to learn poker, start playing in tournaments with a buy-in of $5 or more.
 
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