MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[Matt Vaughan]

Bigger OTF. I'm usually just x/f vs. that sizing. You might technically have enough IO, but if you jam river idk if you get called by Tx or not. Depends how bad they are.

 

[BenjiHustle]

For whatever reason I thought that this was 100nl. For $9 at 25nl, I say fold that shizz! My fault. Was thinking 9bbs, not 36. Really no room to re-evaluate at that point.

 

[DunningKruger]

The concern isn't really whether a straight will call like ¼ of the pot on the river but more whether or not some of the cards you're trying to catch make a bigger boat for another player. it's a pretty clear call imo since you're up against virtually nothing in the way of diamond combinations.

 

[Mase31683]

This session made me rage.

Yeah overall it was a winning session, but right at the end I had both these hands go down.


Merge, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players

SB: $24.25 (97 bb)
BB: $23.91 (95.6 bb)
UTG+2: $23.50 (94 bb)
MP1: $11.50 (46 bb)
MP2: $13.91 (55.6 bb)
MP3: $24.90 (99.6 bb)
Hero (CO): $65.69 (262.8 bb)
BTN: $21.56 (86.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A:heart: K:spade:
UTG+2 raises to $0.85, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.90, 3 folds, UTG+2 calls $2.05

Flop: ($6.15) 8:club: 5:club: K:heart: (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $3.07, UTG+2 raises to $9.21, Hero raises to $33.78, UTG+2 calls $11.39 and is all-in

Turn: ($47.35) 7:club: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($47.35) 4:club: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $47.35 pot ($2.63 rake)
Final Board: 8:club: 5:club: K:heart: 7:club: 4:club:
UTG+2 showed K:club: A:spade: and won $44.72 ($21.22 net)
Hero showed A:heart: K:spade: and lost (-$23.50 net)

Okay, that's annoying whatever. Then as I'm shutting down my tables...


Merge, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players

SB: $25 (100 bb)
BB: $6.63 (26.5 bb)
UTG+1: $43.89 (175.6 bb)
UTG+2: $25 (100 bb)
MP1: $34.01 (136 bb)
Hero (MP2): $25 (100 bb)
MP3: $16.14 (64.6 bb)
CO: $29.88 (119.5 bb)
BTN: $24.65 (98.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 2:heart: 2:spade:
UTG+1 raises to $1.75, UTG+2 calls $1.75, MP1 folds, Hero calls $1.75, 5 folds

Flop: ($5.60) 2:diamond: J:spade: A:club: (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $2, UTG+1 calls $2, UTG+2 folds

Turn: ($9.60) 8:heart: (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

River: ($9.60) 6:spade: (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $9.60, Hero raises to $21.25 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls $11.65

Results: $52.10 pot ($2.89 rake)
Final Board: 2:diamond: J:spade: A:club: 8:heart: 6:spade:
UTG+1 showed J:heart: J:diamond: and won $49.21 ($24.21 net)
Hero showed 2:heart: 2:spade: and lost (-$25 net)

The worst part is I sort of felt this could be set v set, then on the river thought, dude no you're gonna see folds + AK/AQ/AJ so often here, jam it.

At least I ended in the black

 

[BenjiHustle]

Maybe don't call 7bbs PF with 22 in MP, though?

 

[Mase31683]

Yeah, kind of both. Felt like he was more likely than usual to have a hand he's willing to commit with opening that large so I think my chances of getting stacks in when I hit are better than normal.

Of course the flip side is I'm throwing 7bb in preflop, worth it imo

 

[BenjiHustle]

I understand that you need an effective stack ratio of 12:1 to call for set value with any pocket pair and this player barely covers that while it should probably be more like 15-20:1 because of the number of times that you may hit your set and lose (especially with 22). If he bet 5bb, I may be able to agree with the call, but at 7bb, nah.

I don't know sh*t though, just passing along knowledge that was given to me as it was given to me. I'm not even sure I effectively use this knowledge, but I always try.

 

[Mase31683]

Talk about US poker problems...

I'm about to be rolled for $50nl, but there aren't usually enough $50nl games running for my taste. Loving $25nl though, wasn't expecting it to be this soft.

Got another 1k hands in and ran better, ended up with 4.5 BI's for the day.

 

[Mase31683]

So disturbingly standard.


Merge, $0.02/$0.04 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 3 Players

SB: $1.46 (36.5 bb)
BB: $11.62 (290.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $9.19 (229.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 4:spade: 7:heart: A:spade: A:heart:
Hero raises to $0.14, SB calls $0.12, BB raises to $0.56, Hero raises to $1.82, SB folds, BB calls $1.26

Flop: ($3.78) 5:spade: T:diamond: A:diamond: (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.78, BB raises to $9.80, Hero calls $3.59 and is all-in

Turn: ($18.52) K:heart: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($18.52) 2:club: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $18.52 pot ($1.02 rake)
Final Board: 5:spade: T:diamond: A:diamond: K:heart: 2:club:
BB showed Q:diamond: T:heart: J:club: 8:diamond: and won $17.50 ($8.31 net)
Hero showed 4:spade: 7:heart: A:spade: A:heart: and lost (-$9.19 net)

 

[zEric7x]

I refuse to play Omaha! the variance is to high for me to handle.

 

[Logan2]

I remember reading that if our best equity pre is 60% on PLO, which is what 55 got pre on holdem vs random (and we never 4b 55 for value) then we should not be 4b that often and should try to see flops more.


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[DunningKruger]

I remember reading that if our best equity pre is 60% on PLO, which is what 55 got pre on holdem vs random (and we never 4b 55 for value) then we should not be 4b that often and should try to see flops more.

There's a few things wrong with that though. Most of what continues vs a 4 bet will beat 55 over 80% of the time. Pretty key difference. You can also do a lot better than 60% equity pre in PLO. It's true that a lot of players are over eager to go balls out with pretty looking Omaha hands because gamboollll but there are times when taking your 55-65% equity directly to showdown happens to be the best course of action.

 

[Mase31683]

The way I look at it is right now I have the equity edge. The more of my stack I can get in the better. I'm curious why you wouldn't press a 65:35 edge to the max?

 

[Matt Vaughan]

It gets more complicated than talking about your equity advantage once you get to the flop though. You've said yourself these players are terrible, which implies we have a quite-large skill edge. So, theoretically, the more decision points there are in a hand, the bigger the resulting EV difference as a result of our skill edge.

That being said, if I'm going to be 65 preflop HU then yeah, I'm more likely to just gii. And if I'm 55% with an SPR of 1 or something already, then I'm definitely getting it in. But generally speaking you can see tons of flops super profitably I would think.

 

[ScottishMatt]

**** off format.

 

[ScottishMatt]

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 10.53, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
SB: 100 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 206.3 BB
MP: 156.8 BB
CO: 95.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:heart: A:spade:

fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, SB raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, CO calls 7 BB, SB calls 6 BB

Flop: (24 BB, 3 players) J:diamond: 4:heart: 4:club:
SB checks, Hero bets 13 BB, fold, SB calls 13 BB

Turn: (50 BB, 2 players) Q:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets 24.8 BB, SB calls 24.8 BB

River: (99.6 BB, 2 players) 9:spade:
SB bets 47 BB, Hero calls 47 BB

 

[BenjiHustle]

Bet bigger OTT.

 

[ScottishMatt]

Why bigger OTT?

 

[BenjiHustle]

Because the original bet is less than half of the pot and we're looking to extract some value here from KK/TT/AQ and anything else is probably folding in a 3bet pot. Unless of course they flopped/turned a FH. Then it's whatever.

If he had KT, may see reason to call with that small bet and then spiked the river, but I'm not a big advocate of betting people off of hands for the sake of doing so.

 

[ScottishMatt]

We've already set up sizing for a river shove. Larger doesn't really accomplish much IMO. Except to possibly get us paid on an A river cause he feels more pot committed. At the same time larger might get TT to fold so . . . .

 

[BenjiHustle]

... TT might fold if you bet more, true.

If they do, though, they probably fold to your half-pot bet too.

 

[ScottishMatt]

Well against this player I doubt TT folds but W/E. I'm more concerned with river than turn.

 

[xdeucesx]

looks fine, it's a cooler that he probs showed up w/99

 

[ScottishMatt]

99 . . . I wish. I snapped cause I felt like QJ is a decent portion of his range. Dat Q4 doe lolwut

 

[xdeucesx]

As far as turn goes, I could see sizing maybe a tad bigger like 30 bbs but it's negligible imo. He can have Qx/Jx/KK/QJ/Q9. I think river is still a call, but it's close, assuming no reads