MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[xdeucesx]

Because if your an 80/20 favorite, why would you want to run it twice?

Take 80% equity and a full pot instead of 64% to hold on two boards

 

[Logan2]

Good point, so pretty much if gii as favorite run it twice only is giving another chance to other to suck out. Meh.

 

[xdeucesx]

Good point, so pretty much if gii as favorite run it twice only is giving another chance to other to suck out. Meh.

pretty much ya

It can be useful for reducing variance when your playing big pots. Like, on HSP, they may run it twice when it's a 800k pot or something ridic big, bc nobody really has the bankroll to just deal w/those swings. However, obviously at micro's, no pot is going to be a large enough amount of $ that it would be pretty devastating to lose and not be able to sustain their BR

 

[Cafeman]

Didn't CM make a vid itt?
link please

You don't want to be listening to that rambling old fool.


#HOTD

IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

CO: $22.47 (112.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $39.87 (199.3 bb)
SB: $19.80 (99 bb)
BB: $20 (100 bb)
MP: $25.67 (128.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T

Q

MP raises to $0.60, CO folds, Hero raises to $1, 2 folds, MP calls $0.40

Flop: ($2.30) 8

5

Q

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.15, MP raises to $3.60, Hero calls $2.45

Turn: ($9.50) 6

(2 players)
MP bets $6.60, Hero calls $6.60

River: ($22.70) 7

(2 players)
MP bets $14.47 and is all-in, Hero calls $14.47

Results: $51.64 pot ($2.50 rake)
Final Board: 8

5

Q

6

7

Hero mucked T

Q

and won $49.14 ($23.47 net)
MP showed 7

J

and lost (-$25.67 net)


Started with a mental misclick from me, I hadn't noticed he'd opened and was just minning the button, or so I thought. He's an aggrotard, so I felt a call down was in order

 

[Jackle43]

Any tips how to get in some good volume while doing Uni studies??? I know a few players on here are doing uni and wondering how they work it?

 

[Yoshimiii]

Any tips how to get in some good volume while doing Uni studies??? I know a few players on here are doing uni and wondering how they work it?

Sleep less.

 

[xdeucesx]

Any tips how to get in some good volume while doing Uni studies??? I know a few players on here are doing uni and wondering how they work it?

play in class ldo

 

[AlfieAA]

So guys I was wondering what stage in your poker playing you decided to get into the math side of things?...do you use math in your micro play and what about 2nl-5nl did you use it there?....

I've been putting it off for a few months as I didn't think it was that important at the nano's but I think I'm going to start getting into it...

But yeah I'm starting to get fascinated with the numbers side of the game and I would like to learn (memorize) everything from odds + outs, probabilities. Equity, EV and so on....

Did you guys find that part of learning the game fun or a chore?

 

[Cafeman]

You probably want to get a mod to edit out the stuff about pirated/pirating ebooks. Just a thought.

Yes the maths matters no matter the level.

 

[AlfieAA]

You probably want to get a mod to edit out the stuff about pirated/pirating ebooks. Just a thought.

Yes the maths matters no matter the level.

Thanks for HIGHLIGHTING it cafe

 

[ScottishMatt]

So guys I was wondering what stage in your poker playing you decided to get into the math side of things?...do you use math in your micro play and what about 2nl-5nl did you use it there?....

I've been putting it off for a few months as I didn't think it was that important at the nano's but I think I'm going to start getting into it...

But yeah I'm starting to get fascinated with the numbers side of the game and I would like to learn (memorize) everything from odds + outs, probabilities. Equity, EV and so on....

Did you guys find that part of learning the game fun or a chore?

TBH this is something I need to work on right now as it is the part of my game lacking the most. I tend to forget odds most of the time. This is generally because I know where I stand in most situations. But then the weird situation happens and I'm just not used to employing odds etc, usually I goof up and make the wrong move as I later figure out.


Nice little tip when calculating your equity is to take your outs and double them per street. Like flush draw on the flop, supposing you have the full 9 outs, simply double to 18% equity for the turn, and double again to 36% for the turn + river. Now this isn't exact, you may be off by 2-3% at most, but as you become more familiar with certain situations you will know where to apply a slight -/+ % of equity.

I'd be interested to know if anyone else uses this method, or if there is a more viable way to work out purely mathematical decisions on the spot.

 

[Cafeman]

Thanks for HIGHLIGHTING it cafe

Oops, I forgot to do it, hang on a mo!

So guys I was wondering what stage in your poker playing you decided to get into the math side of things?...do you use math in your micro play and what about 2nl-5nl did you use it there?....

I've been putting it off for a few months as I didn't think it was that important at the nano's but I think I'm going to start getting into it...

But yeah I'm starting to get fascinated with the numbers side of the game and I would like to learn (memorize) everything from odds + outs, probabilities. Equity, EV and so on....

Did you guys find that part of learning the game fun or a chore?

It's the bit in bold I was talking about.

 

[Cafeman]

I'd be interested to know if anyone else uses this method, or if there is a more viable way to work out purely mathematical decisions on the spot.

Yep, I'll often count outs and do that roughly in my head too. Don't know any other quick ways, but that works well enough for all practical purposes imo.

 

[dmorris68]

Guys we don't condone nor promote piracy of any kind at CC. This goes especially so of poker ebooks or software from those that we partner with here at CC.

Further violations will result in infractions or bans.

Oh, and when someone does it, please report the post it but DON'T continue to quote it. That's just more editing we have to do.

 

[AlfieAA]

TBH this is something I need to work on right now as it is the part of my game lacking the most. I tend to forget odds most of the time. This is generally because I know where I stand in most situations. But then the weird situation happens and I'm just not used to employing odds etc, usually I goof up and make the wrong move as I later figure out.


Nice little tip when calculating your equity is to take your outs and double them per street. Like flush draw on the flop, supposing you have the full 9 outs, simply double to 18% equity for the turn, and double again to 36% for the turn + river. Now this isn't exact, you may be off by 2-3% at most, but as you become more familiar with certain situations you will know where to apply a slight -/+ % of equity.

I'd be interested to know if anyone else uses this method, or if there is a more viable way to work out purely mathematical decisions on the spot.

are you sure thats equity matt....is counting outs on the flop/turn/river not probability....the probability of hitting....i thought equity was how much of the pot belonged to you at that point with what you already have....

but yeah great tip, i'll be sure to use that one, cheers man

 

[AlfieAA]

 

[duggs]

are you sure thats equity matt....is counting outs on the flop/turn/river not probability....the probability of hitting....i thought equity was how much of the pot belonged to you at that point with what you already have....

but yeah great tip, i'll be sure to use that one, cheers man

its the same thing alfie, your equity is your % of likelihood of having the winning hand at showdown at any given point.

 

[Cafeman]

Read the book.

 

[AlfieAA]

its the same thing alfie, your equity is your % of likelihood of having the winning hand at showdown at any given point.

sorry if im coming across a little bit dense, but yeah equity is what you said, a % or what the pot belongs to you at any given point i the hand.....like when you see on tv and they have it.....but if say we have A8 on the BTN and a maniac raises pre UTG and it gets folded round to us and we flat it, and the flop comes 8 J 10....so we have bottom top kicker and we put the maniac on a massive pre flop range, so basically he can have anything and his actions wont really help as he's a maniac, so we need to try and read the board and make our actions depending on his actions of whether its right or wrong to continue.....now we dont know his hand, so we dont know our true equity on the flop at that time, so how would we work that out based on villians percieved range? ....also matt mentions counting your outs to get your equity percentage, but i thought that equity was the percentage you had now, not what it could be on future streets...would that not be probability?...im confused, sorry for the long babbling post

 

[duggs]

give me 20 min and ill find a decent example

 

[duggs]

Again mate you are over thinking it. Equity is our probability of winning a hand at showdown at any given point, it can be pre flop flop turn or river. Our equity can be calculated long hand v each hand in a range and then aggregated to give our equity v a range. Assign our opponents a range, determine our equity v that range. Then run expected value calculations To determine which play is optimal v that range ( make assumptions about which hands call/fold/raise etc)

 

[duggs]

I'm also at the doctors so this isn't a good example

 

[AlfieAA]

Thanks duggs, I understand now...you need to establish equity to work out our expected value...so I'm guessing even if we didn't have a lot of equity in a pot but someone underbets, then it would still be +EV to call....mainly on the river, otherwise no point in continuing, unless its a higer level and your floating to bluff/semi bluff lol....yeah I think I've got it, gonna go on pokerstove tomorrow and do ranges against each other and work out EV....can't imagine that you would be able to work it out at the table, something to go over after a session.....also how do you use the rule of 4+2 with this?....

 

[AlfieAA]

I'm also at the doctors so this isn't a good example

Pokeritis?

 

[Jackle43]

Wow, just had a 10BI up swing heater! haha though it wasn't a complete heater seeing their was a beautiful game on at stars with some of the wildest players I have ever seen!
Games are so soft at the moment!