MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[RamdeeBen]

villain isn't opening a polarised range UTG ram..

actually duggs is kinda right A is a bad river to get paid on for us by most of his range since villain can never have Ax aside from AK and random A high turned club draws?

rivers still a ship since calling ranges don't change to half pot vs shove.

Why would he not pay off on the river? He's just told us by calling a raise on the turn he has either a strong ace - KQ/JJ/QQ/TT and considering Ax is a bigger part of his UTG opening range; I'd of thought the river is good.

 

[duggs]

Ax all fold the turn, KQ just got demoted to 2nd pair, QQ-1010 all got demoted to 3rd pair. more importantly pretty much the only hands he beats when we c/r turn are semi bluffs and since spades got there and Axcc got there he literally beats nothing. i also think most players just b/f 1010-QQ on turn

 

[RamdeeBen]

i dont think he has AQ/AJ ever. i think KQo folds river, i think AK just became less likely since its already severely blocked and it just blocked another combo of it, i think his sets became more likely to fold river. QQ-1010 are unlikely to b/c turn, let alone call a value bet on the river.

You just said A,Qss/A,Jss are a big part of his range for flush draws, but Ok - so if we eliminate AQ/AJ. We're left with A,K/K,Q/TT+ & sets.

Why would someone bet/call a turn bet, then fold out the river just because it's an Ace? We're not floating and raising turns to a nit with Ace high and if he's b/c turn with Kx TT-QQ then I don't see why/how he can fold to a river bet. Also; we have already established strong Aces being part of his range so he's going to pay us off.

If you don't think QQ-TT are b/c the turn, then what is he b/c with?

The only hands that do that are Kx/sets/two pairs/Ax all of which have no reason not to call a river value bet imo.



Then agian, I'm still learning so thats just my opinion.

 

[duggs]

i didnt ever say unpaired Ax is a big part of his range, i dont think he has any really. he probably has AJss/AQss but they will be just about the only ones and they are blocked by the runout, he has 0 Ax combos in his b/c range for the turn.

 

[duggs]

if QQ-1010 b/c turn, its to only call on safe rivers, this isnt a safe river as all of our semibluffing range gets there

 

[Yoshimiii]

This is deepstack so most villains do not 4 bet Q/Q and lower... as they are scared of being 5 bet and having to play a huge pot, also he had a very high fold to 3 bet% that's why I flatted and he didn't seem positionally aware.

I raised turn as I thought he could be on a flush draw or maybe he has 10/10, J/J that might call. Also I bet weak on river as flush got there and I wanted lower pocket pairs to pay me off.

Still he played it horribly imo by flat calling that turn with a set, there's no way he put me on a higher set.

Hand sample: 462 21/16/1.9 foldto3bet%: 72

 

[Matt Vaughan]

Also ram, he said villain HAD 3/3 as in pocket 3s, not that his stats are 3/3.

 

[Logan2]

Never ever, ever going to be bad getting it all in vs anyone in general,I mean you're only a big dog to aces as we all know.

However, when you have a 67/33 who's only got 80bb behind him & wanting to play for stacks pre when you hold A,K it's like the best thing everytime.

Agree but wasn´t sure about Co (19/13)

Instead of calling CO, re-shove over him, even if CO has K/K and BB calls all in you are still getting the right odds to make this profitable because CO can have Q/Q I would think.

I think on that but don´t want to shove over and make fish go away, that´s why decide to flat the 4b. After fish shove then we have the green light and Co shoving too give all the odds.

Fish have A8o btw, and CO have TT, so aparently people are stacking a lot wider on 10nl than i think.

 

[RamdeeBen]

Ok you guys are obviously on a different level but I thought the ace is good for us to get value but I'm still learning hehe, good inputs anyway I like good debates regarding hands.

Also lol...... I thought he said villain was 3/3 not pocket threes guess that changes a fair bit lol.

 

[Yoshimiii]

Agree but wasn´t sure about Co (19/13)

I think on that but don´t want to shove over and make fish go away, that´s why decide to flat the 4b. After fish shove then we have the green light and Co shoving too give all the odds.

Fish have A8o btw, and CO have TT, so aparently people are stacking a lot wider on 10nl than i think.

Ah yes my bad, didn't think of that before, but I still think 5 betting>>>calling 4 bet.

Anyway don't you just love it when this happens:
He had A/9

Also I am gonna have to switch back to 100BB poker soon, not enough tables/people playing deepstack at the small stakes+ levels .
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

CO ($9.03)
Button ($52.29)
SB ($9.72)
Hero (BB) ($27.88)
UTG ($26.47)
MP ($38.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10

, A

2 folds, CO bets $0.32, Button calls $0.32, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.22

Flop: ($1.13) 7

, 2

, 8

(3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($2.13) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($2.13) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.40, CO calls $1.40

Total pot: $4.93 | Rake: $0.22

Results below:

Spoiler

Hero had 10

, A

(high card, Ace).
CO didn't show
Outcome: Hero won $4.71

 

[Cafeman]

#HOTD

IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

BB: $38.36 (191.8 bb)
UTG: $19.90 (99.5 bb)
MP: $20 (100 bb)
CO: $20.92 (104.6 bb) - a nit among nits
Hero (BTN): $20.21 (101.1 bb)
SB: $22.10 (110.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q

T

2 folds, CO raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.60, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.50) 7

5

3

(2 players)
CO bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75

Turn: ($3) 7

(2 players)
CO bets $1.50, Hero raises to $3.75, CO calls $2.25

Oh I see, don't want to let go of your overpair yet then nit!?

River: ($10.50) 2

(2 players)
CO bets $2,

Blocking bet? lol I don't think so. Prepare yourself for the full force of my poker power!

Hero raises to $15.11 and is all-in, CO calls $13.11

Results: $40.72 pot ($2.64 rake)
Final Board: 7

5

3

7

2

CO showed 5

5

and won $38.08 ($17.87 net)
Hero mucked Q

T

and lost (-$20.21 net)

Oh.

He tanked for 10 seconds and then nitrolled me

 

[RamdeeBen]

lol cafe

 

[Logan2]

lol so hard with the description there cafe.
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Please remind me this times when start to lose left and right


Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
MP: $7.93 - VPIP: 49, PFR: 28, 3B: 9, AF: 0.7, Hands: 79
CO: $8.33
Hero (BTN): $10.00
SB: $4.05
BB: $10.00
UTG: $16.93

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with A

K

1 fold, MP raises to $0.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, 2 folds, MP raises to $7.93 allin, Hero calls $6.68

Flop: ($16.01) 5

Q

4

(2 players)

Turn: ($16.01) 5

(2 players)

River: ($16.01) 2

(2 players)

Final Pot: $16.01
MP shows A

K

Hero shows A

K

Hero wins $15.29
(Rake: $0.72)


​

 

[AlfieAA]

hey folks, so im sat at the table and im thinking 'is it worth to steal from the BTN, CO + SB at 2nl'.....is it worthwhile basically stealing pennies...hmmmm i dont know....suppose if there is a huge nit 2 to your left then yeah, but what if its a tag or a loose aggressive, or what about a fish......would i base ranges on these types of people...instead of having just one stealing range should i have 2 or 3 stealing ranges....so if its a nit in the BB then i could basically play ATC every other orbit or if its a TAG i could make it like 10-15%, or if its a LAG then maybe 20-25% and a fish 30% or something....yeah so anyway is it worth our time stealing at the nano's or would i be better just playing straight forward...cheers

 

[Cafeman]

Playing straight forward involves stealing. I don't think you are looking at this in the right way.

'is it worth to steal from the BTN, CO + SB at 2nl'

Yes, there is no doubt. And you can't say, "meh you're a 50NL reg what do you know about 2NL", can you

 

[Matt Vaughan]

hey folks, so im sat at the table and im thinking 'is it worth to steal from the BTN, CO + SB at 2nl'.....is it worthwhile basically stealing pennies...hmmmm i dont know....suppose if there is a huge nit 2 to your left then yeah, but what if its a tag or a loose aggressive, or what about a fish......would i base ranges on these types of people...instead of having just one stealing range should i have 2 or 3 stealing ranges....so if its a nit in the BB then i could basically play ATC every other orbit or if its a TAG i could make it like 10-15%, or if its a LAG then maybe 20-25% and a fish 30% or something....yeah so anyway is it worth our time stealing at the nano's or would i be better just playing straight forward...cheers

Is it worth increasing your win rate significantly with a very easy and consistent play that almost no one will try to exploit???

Ummm... You tell me.

 

[AlfieAA]

Playing straight forward involves stealing. I don't think you are looking at this in the right way.

'is it worth to steal from the BTN, CO + SB at 2nl'

Yes, there is no doubt. And you can't say, "meh you're a 50NL reg what do you know about 2NL", can you

Dude you are a 50nl reg, what do you know..........haha.....thanks cafeman, yeah I will do it then...

 

[AlfieAA]

Is it worth increasing your win rate significantly with a very easy and consistent play that almost no one will try to exploit???



Ummm... You tell me.

Lol

 

[Yoshimiii]

This hand was amazing to watch, guy who lost tilted like mad:

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 3 players - View hand 2131789
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $31.89
MrLateReg (BTN): $25.63
Xepa6ouLL (SB): $12.28

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with 9 :club: 7 :club:
MrLateReg raises to $0.75, Xepa6ouLL raises to $2.50, 1 fold, MrLateReg raises to $25.63 all in, Xepa6ouLL calls $9.78 all in

Flop: ($24.81) 9 :spade: K :spade: 6 :spade: (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($24.81) A :diamond: (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($24.81) K :club: (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $24.81
MrLateReg shows Q :spade: A :spade: (a flush, Ace high)
Xepa6ouLL shows A :heart: K :heart: (a full house, Kings full of Aces)
Xepa6ouLL wins $23.81
(Rake: $1.00)

 

[Yoshimiii]

hey folks, so im sat at the table and im thinking 'is it worth to steal from the BTN, CO + SB at 2nl'.....is it worthwhile basically stealing pennies...hmmmm i dont know....suppose if there is a huge nit 2 to your left then yeah, but what if its a tag or a loose aggressive, or what about a fish......would i base ranges on these types of people...instead of having just one stealing range should i have 2 or 3 stealing ranges....so if its a nit in the BB then i could basically play ATC every other orbit or if its a TAG i could make it like 10-15%, or if its a LAG then maybe 20-25% and a fish 30% or something....yeah so anyway is it worth our time stealing at the nano's or would i be better just playing straight forward...cheers

Yes, I usually raise around 45% of my hands on the Button. Here's an example of my opening ranges vs various villain types when they are in blinds and I am on BTN, also I open my range even more from SB (depending on villain):

Nits: Raising 80% of my hands
Fish: Raising hands that have showdown value, around 38% of my hands
LAG (Habitual 3 better pre-flop): Sometimes limping to negate his constant 3 betting and I will then bet flop to steal. Raising around 25% of my hands.
TAGs: Raising 35% around

This is just a rough estimate of my opening ranges on BTN, hope I explained it okay, usually I don't think about stealing from the CO, I just think of the villains I am up against and my showdown value of my hand, e.g. if there are Fish in Blinds I would be much more inclined to raise in CO as I can outplay them (I hope ). Btw I play pretty loose, so if your a TAG or working on your game then just reduce the percentages, but you get the idea.

 

[AlfieAA]

Yes, I usually raise around 45% of my hands on the Button. Here's an example of my opening ranges vs various villain types when they are in blinds and I am on BTN, also I open my range even more from SB (depending on villain):

Nits: Raising 80% of my hands
Fish: Raising hands that have showdown value, around 38% of my hands
LAG (Habitual 3 better pre-flop): Sometimes limping to negate his constant 3 betting and I will then bet flop to steal. Raising around 25% of my hands.
TAGs: Raising 35% around

This is just a rough estimate of my opening ranges on BTN, hope I explained it okay, usually I don't think about stealing from the CO, I just think of the villains I am up against and my showdown value of my hand, e.g. if there are Fish in Blinds I would be much more inclined to raise in CO as I can outplay them (I hope ). Btw I play pretty loose, so if your a TAG or working on your game then just reduce the percentages, but you get the idea.

Thanks yosh, well explained, your percentages are pretty close to my rough estimates lol...cheers bro

 

[orangepeeleo]

Added in some 25nl tables again tonight, ran shit at 16nl with AA<Q7 AI on Qxx flop but done alright at the 25nl tables, even ran a bluff!

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $44.87
CO: $25.70
Hero (BTN): $25.00
SB: $25.10
BB: $20.80

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has T:heart: A:diamond:

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, SB raises to $2.50, fold, Hero calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.25, 2 players) 4:club: 8:heart: 5:spade:
SB bets $3.30, Hero calls $3.30

Turn: ($11.85, 2 players) 8:spade:
SB bets $5.00, Hero raises to $12.00, fold

Hero wins $20.87

Fulltilt also gave me $20 for no reason, got an email from them the other day saying we missed you etc, deposit $20 now and get a free $20 and $2 ring game tickets every day for 5 days, thought the $20 would have to be cleared or something but I withdrew the whole lot back to my stars account tonight lol cheers easy!

 

[AlfieAA]

Added in some 25nl tables again tonight, ran shit at 16nl with AA<Q7 AI on Qxx flop but done alright at the 25nl tables, even ran a bluff!

PokerStars - $0.25 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $44.87
CO: $25.70
Hero (BTN): $25.00
SB: $25.10
BB: $20.80

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has T<font color='red'>♥</font> A<font color='red'>♦</font>

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.75, SB raises to $2.50, fold, Hero calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.25, 2 players) 4<font color='black'>♣</font> 8<font color='red'>♥</font> 5<font color='black'>♠</font>
SB bets $3.30, Hero calls $3.30

Turn: ($11.85, 2 players) 8<font color='black'>♠</font>
SB bets $5.00, Hero raises to $12.00, fold

Hero wins $20.87

Fulltilt also gave me $20 for no reason, got an email from them the other day saying we missed you etc, deposit $20 now and get a free $20 and $2 ring game tickets every day for 5 days, thought the $20 would have to be cleared or something but I withdrew the whole lot back to my stars account tonight lol cheers easy!

Pretty sure he was bluffing too here, maybe AJ>k and you won bluffing wars, prob put you on a flopped straight or a set

 

[Yoshimiii]

Pretty sure he was bluffing too here, maybe AJ>k and you won bluffing wars, prob put you on a flopped straight or a set

Maybe, if so it is a pretty bad bluff, why would he fire a second barrel on that turn card? It would make much more sense to double barrel a high card on turn as it is scary. He could have layed down a pair of tens or something, some regs are still capable of laying these down at these stakes.

 

[AlfieAA]

Maybe, if so it is a pretty bad bluff, why would he fire a second barrel on that turn card? It would make much more sense to double barrel a high card on turn as it is scary. He could have layed down a pair of tens or something, some regs are still capable of laying these down at these stakes.

lots of players will fire a double and even a triple barrel as a bluff, hoping for folds...especially as they know that a cbet is standard and if they get called its either a check/fold which they dont like doing so they will fire a double hoping thats enough...but when they get re raised like what happened here, they will usually insta fold....i used to do that a while ago at 2nl...cbets dont really get respected amongst regs sometimes