MicroCrushers Thread!!!!!

[Logan2]

do vpip=true for starters, maybe blinds and stuff are exaggerating results with raisers before you?

Yeah, was counting folds to raises there. Thanks peels.


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[Cafeman]

Wow, I remember Ethiopian jokes.

 

[forsakenone]

right guys i have a question on pocket pairs.....small/medium pp's
im not sure whether or not to play s/m pp's and when and if to play them...
what are the reasons for not playing them, and when and where would i play them.....and when is a pair not a middle pair...8's?.....

atm im playing all pp's in all positions coming in for open raises or flat calling if someone has raised behind....im not gonna 3bet pocket 3's lol, so i just call....would you guys 3bet pocket 8's though?....obv i know about the +20 rule that makes set mining profitable etc, and i my positional play is solid, so i can take advantage if i do hit sets etc, but yeah anyway, thanks for any feedback, i think once i get this part of the game sorted i will crack on without any problems.....cheers

All right, here is how I play small to medium pocket pairs.
If it's an unopened pot I raise any pp, if someone opens I call regardless of position or how many players are in the pot, or who is in the pot.

Sets and full boats will bring you a lot of money, folding pp to a preflop single raise is a mistake regardless of position.

3betting pocket pairs, I would never do it, small to medium pp are worst to 3b with, I would rather 3bet something like 46s. The only exception is that if there is a maniac I would 3 bet preflop with the intention of stacking off.

 

[orangepeeleo]

Same as ^

Except in the blinds against a steal when I have like 22-66/77 because I'm not comfortable oop, I see them as ahead of a stealers range but not strong enough for me to play oop in a single raised pot, it's gonna be harder to get stacks in for a start when we hit, so I'd rather 3bet, try and take it down or cbet like half pot on decent flops if called.

But as with everything in poker, it depends, if someone opens wide and cbets loads of flops then I'll call to c/r decent boards and make that little bit more , or if they open wide, never fold to 3bets or cbets then I'll just muck them, because their range is wide so implied odds are prob not there and being oop with underpairs and meh mid pairs to the board is gonna cause me more trouble than its worth.

Kinda nitty I guess but I don't mind being nitty oop.

 

[Cafeman]

Yeah as Peelie points out, calling sPPs OOP solely for setmining purposes vs wide ranges isn't all that great, especially vs non spewy regs.

 

[Yoshimiii]

All right, here is how I play small to medium pocket pairs.
If it's an unopened pot I raise any pp, if someone opens I call regardless of position or how many players are in the pot, or who is in the pot.

Sets and full boats will bring you a lot of money, folding pp to a preflop single raise is a mistake regardless of position.

3betting pocket pairs, I would never do it, small to medium pp are worst to 3b with, I would rather 3bet something like 46s. The only exception is that if there is a maniac I would 3 bet preflop with the intention of stacking off.

I don't go by this. If someone is opening a wide range of hands and is a regular/solid player i will generally fold 5/5 and below often as the chances of them stacking off vs a NIT/Fish is very low. Also if the board comes say 2 2 8 and he cbets I will just fold as well even if his cbet is high.

 

[forsakenone]

I don't go by this. If someone is opening a wide range of hands and is a regular/solid player i will generally fold 5/5 and below often as the chances of them stacking off vs a NIT/Fish is very low. Also if the board comes say 2 2 8 and he cbets I will just fold as well even if his cbet is high.

Seems tight to me, however this seems to be the trend on cc. Lets say I get 55 on sb vs D steal, flop comes 228, I usually either float or even better raise, because almost everyones range is big on the button and almost everyone will cbet here.

 

[Cafeman]

Good for you forsakenone, the only way money moves is to do things differently. However, I believe that most people on CC do call all sPPs from all positions, so you are not on your own

 

[orangepeeleo]

Seems tight to me, however this seems to be the trend on cc.

It's because we all have small e-peens

 

[Yoshimiii]

Seems tight to me, however this seems to be the trend on cc. Lets say I get 55 on sb vs bb steal, flop comes 228, I usually either float or even better raise, because almost everyones range is big on the button and almost everyone will cbet here.

I asked a similar question on a deucescracked video about playing low PocketPairs OOP, however the example below is in a 3 bet pot so it might be different I don't know :S.

Here is what I asked:

"If the board comes say: 8, 8, 2 and the villain fires a cbet after he 3 bets us instead of calling or folding can we sometimes check-raise him to make him fold all his high cards and take the pot down a decent number of times. Obviously if he calls we just check/fold to any further bets. We know once we check-raise him where we stand and we don't have to guess on any further streets if high cards come.

Also only with villains that have decent/high c-bet and aggression stats."

Coach replies:

"well, "knowing where we stand" isnt really a very good reason because A) it's unreliable (he can float or raise with overcards as well) and B) we know just about as well where we are when we c-bets the flop without checkraising (he has overcards sometimes, he has pairs sometimes)

in general, if you consider how equity works (having the best hand doesn't mean very much; its all about how often you win), i'd say you're likely to get yourself into a lot more trouble c/r the flop on an 882 board than you are by c/f. "

http://www.deucescracked.com/forums...78051-8-Things-Not-to-Do-Episod?#post_5052891

 

[orangepeeleo]

Lets say I get 55 on sb vs D steal, flop comes 228, I usually either float or even better raise, because almost everyones range is big on the button and almost everyone will cbet here.

I agree with c/r'ing there vs the right villains but surely floating oop there is a leak? Or at least fps? Because we're oop with a meh hand and going to face a ton of shit turns for our hand which villain will prob barrel with his whole flop cbetting range, because we rep nothing, unless your going to c/r scare card turns and then it all starts to look a bit fancy to me.

But youve played 6m higher than me so you could def be spot on and I am infact a huge nit

 

[acky100]

check call seems much better than check raise with 55 on 822 as part of a strategy

 

[Cafeman]

c/r that flop is silly, and c/c isn't floating unless we include having the best hand more often than not 'floating'.

 

[Cafeman]

check call seems much better than check raise with 55 on 822 as part of a strategy

Beat me to it. If we're gonna x/r then we probably want to have some binkage possibilities > 2 outs.

 

[orangepeeleo]

I just can't think of a plan for the turn by x/c there, don't we pretty much have to donk a lot of turns? As if we check to c/r a barrel and it gets checked back then by the river there could be say 3 overs on the board and like 66/77 as poss villain holdings that would take the same line??

 

[Cafeman]

Depends on villain tbh. But if I called pre vs a one and done cbettor OOP with 55, then I'd obv call the flop to start with

 

[orangepeeleo]

Ugh even vs a one n done cbettor though there's like 20-30 cards in the deck that we hate, that a wide btn opener could have in his one n done range :/

This is why I don't call pre tbh, as I suck balls oop without some initiative in the hand lol

 

[Cafeman]

Ugh even vs a one n done cbettor though there's like 20 cards in the deck that a wide btn opener could have in his one n done range :/

This is why I don't call pre tbh, as I suck balls oop without some initiative in the hand lol

Quite. I think we more or less agree though tbh Peelie

 

[Cafeman]

#HOTD

Bit o stars magic for once.

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players

Hero (MP): $54.77 (109.5 bb)
CO: $54.94 (109.9 bb)
BTN: $63.88 (127.8 bb)
SB: $72.27 (144.5 bb)
BB: $93.82 (187.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8

8

Hero raises to $1.50, CO calls $1.50, BTN folds, SB raises to $6.50, BB folds, Hero raises to $14, CO calls $12.50, SB folds

Flop: ($35) 7

3

8

(2 players)
Hero bets $14.50, CO calls $14.50

Turn: ($64) J

(2 players)
Hero bets $26.27, CO calls $26.27

River: ($116.54) 3

(2 players)

Results: $116.54 pot ($3.00 rake)
Final Board: 7

3

8

J

3

Hero showed 8

8

and won $113.54 ($58.77 net)
CO mucked 9

Q

and lost (-$54.77 net)

 

[micromachine]

What a fish. The guy with Q9 is pretty bad too

Why did you 4bet with 88? Guessing he was a total maniac with a high 3b% and you would have stacked off if he had 5bet.

 

[Cafeman]

He has a high 3b% and very high sqz%, with a note that he stacks off pre with AQ. Don't think I can fold if he shoves, even if it might be high variance, I'd be priced in pretty much.

 

[micromachine]

Makes sense, you would prefer him fold than 5 bet. I never look at squeeze %, villains aren't squeezing much at my level and I probably only have enough hands on a few villains to make it meaningful.

I like the size of your flop cbet. I don't really ever think about doing less than 1/2 pot bets.

 

[Logan2]

What a fish. The guy with Q9 is pretty bad too

Why did you 4bet with 88? Guessing he was a total maniac with a high 3b% and you would have stacked off if he had 5bet.

i lol hard there

Nice Hand Cafe. Still hate you thought, for run like god and post gay spoilers

 

[Cafeman]

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $50 (100 bb)
Hero (BB): $50 (100 bb)
UTG: $12 (24 bb)
MP: $156.61 (313.2 bb)
CO: $50.50 (101 bb)
BTN: $44.73 (89.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

A

2 folds, CO raises to $1.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5, CO calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.25) A

Q

J

(2 players)
Hero bets $5.25, CO calls $5.25

Turn: ($20.75) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $13, Hero calls $13

River: ($46.75) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Results: $46.75 pot ($3 rake)
Final Board: A

Q

J

9

2

Hero showed K

A

and won $43.75 ($20.50 net)
CO mucked 9

T

and lost (-$23.25 net)

Was tough to know how to get value on the turn here, since the board is so lol. He calls 3bets super wide pre and is aggro, but not a spewtard. I guess I have to fold to a river shove, but x/c turn? **** knows.

 

[Yoshimiii]

I would fold that turn most often as we beat absolutely nothing but I have no idea why villain bets here, donkey.