Is Online Poker Rigged?

[Pentecle]

I know this is going to sound like complaining, but it seems to happen a lot more than it should. I’m not saying any of the plays against me are poor plays or anything like that. For as long as I can remember when you get your chips all in if a bigger stack calls you, you lose more often than you probably should. Of course I have no stats to back up a claim like this, it’s just an observation I’ve noticed and have started to use in my game. I have started to call all ins with almost any 2 cards if I’m last to act. And yes it seems I win more than I should in that situation. Does anyone else feel this way? I feel like I can predict the cards that are going to come to make the bigger stack win. Rant over!! Just frustrating to play forever in a mtt and get it in good more often than not and still lose more often than not!

 

[DAVID KEHRER]

I think there are holes in any thing thats done with computer someone is always smart enough to get the advantage.

 

[rabidjoe]

Is online rigged? If you have to ask then it doesn't matter.

Yesterday I was playing on a cc free roll and two other tourneys at the same time. I started noticing simular hands constantly. As I. Everybody I have a weak hand That I always play if it's cheap. Q,10 of dimonds in all three hands at the same time. Flop two pair on all three hands. All three hands lost to straights. What are all the chances is amazing.

I have a rule to never play two pair I hit on flop at ACR. Took a chance. Following those three loses I watched the CC free roll. Next ten hands in a row winners won 28th trips or better.. This isn't real. Conclusion who can prove anything. No one

I'm glad I'm not the only one who is seeing this, I've been playing freerolls on different sites at the same time and on quite a few occasions I've had exactly the same hand on the multiple different sites and on other occasions the flop has been virtually the same too!

I didn't really have much faith in online poker anyway (which can be confirmed with my very sparse deposit history) with all the collusion, HUDs, botting, etc so it's no skin off my nose but if I was a big stakes player I would have a really intense chin stroking session I can tell you....

 

[alfiyka]

I've never played live poker.But I think it should be exciting.I also like online.There are just dishonest people who use dishonest methods.For enrichment.But such people are present in any games.And online poker has nothing to do with it. Bad luck today, good luck tomorrow.

 

[RiverKing422]

Somewhere it is possible, I've heard of bots and people playing together, so idk. I go in everyday playing against them all!! I'm not scared!!

 

[Nikolay Nakhaev]

Somewhere it is possible, I've heard of bots and people playing together, so idk. I go in everyday playing against them all!! I'm not scared!!

We have no choice in online. we don't know who the game will be at the table.[emoji3][emoji3][emoji3]

 

[A3200304]

I kill myself asking myself this all the time lol

 

[Luvepoker]

Is online poker rigged. No it is not. If online poker is rigged, why are many of the same people highly ranked? If online poker is rigged, why do top online pros do so well live? Many times I hear things like my aces are always cracked and laugh. 1st of all there is no way they are always crack but when I ask what happened I hear something like I limped 1st to act and 7 players called me. the flop was K72 rainbow and i shoved on the flop and lost to a guy who had 72o. How could he call me there. What position was he in I will ask, and they say the BB. OK he did not call you but checked the option. You did not raise and that's why you got so many callers. they will say that is does not happen this way live. Well last week i played in the wsop. 1st hand I raised was called by 4 players just like online early on. While I can always understand players frustration with online poker, it is not rigged. At least in my opinion.

 

[James_Harrison]

Is online poker rigged. No it is not. If online poker is rigged, why are many of the same people highly ranked? If online poker is rigged, why do top online pros do so well live? Many times I hear things like my aces are always cracked and laugh. 1st of all there is no way they are always crack but when I ask what happened I hear something like I limped 1st to act and 7 players called me. the flop was K72 rainbow and i shoved on the flop and lost to a guy who had 72o. How could he call me there. What position was he in I will ask, and they say the BB. OK he did not call you but checked the option. You did not raise and that's why you got so many callers. they will say that is does not happen this way live. Well last week i played in the WSOP. 1st hand I raised was called by 4 players just like online early on. While I can always understand players frustration with online poker, it is not rigged. At least in my opinion.

Because the players have deals with the sites often. Some secret, most out in the open. It is rigged for them.

 

[James_Harrison]

Since at least two of my truthful posts were hastily and biasly deleted from a particular thread, I shall post some brain regurgitation yet again at/in this designated and/or referred to thread by an oppressive and/or possible financial, gainful moderation/administration…

I have at least one suggestion for ACR (which should be expressed as: Another Coolered Registrant) and the other majoritively, if not all American raping, offshore, online poker sites, excluding at least PokerStars for the time being, and their fraudulent agendas.

That pertinent suggestion is: please remove the disgusting fixed card dealing code/program designed to equally disseminate money among players, curb the ‘shark’ aspect, maximize rake, and to keep players engaged/depositing funds with programmed exciting gameplay rather than employing natural (or pseudo-natural), honest poker.

Any computer program with a mathematical algorithmic based pseudorandom card shuffling/dealing is never truly one-hundred percent entropic at a radical/fundamental level and is systemically flawed if that were/was the scenario, but sadly it is not.

Integrating quantum mechanics and hardware for the dealing of cards (barring any code embedded for card manipulation) can be a viable, alternate solution, however, even with that structure I have qualms that it would be genuinely 100% random. At any rate, it would be at minimum, a leap in the direction of honest poker no matter how boring/unexciting it could be for some people.

In normal/honest poker, premium/’monster’ hands are typically splashed throughout many hands. Although in online poker and/or at ACR it is not uncommon to see multiple consecutive ‘leviathan’ hands from several players consistently. Like for example: three consecutive hands or more of at least a set or better happens regularly on/at ACR and other online poker sites for that matter.

Why in so many ongoing instances after one suffers a major/devastating loss in cash games does one get a ‘monster’ hand or premium hole cards soon after if not directly following the loss and/or possible cooler, potentially doubling if not more than doubling one’s digital chip stack, if not completely depleting one’s original buy-in, prompting a plausible rebuy-in?

Is that the fixed software at work to balance the money at the tables and/or among players to keep them engaged and/or optimistic?

Hmm… Yet another pattern among many.

It is so fricking flagrantly obvious. And frankly, unspeakably ugly to me.

Also, why in so many ongoing instances does one generally receive bad beats/coolers after one doubles/triples their initial buy-in?

Subscription based online poker is notorious for using card manipulation software. That is a FACT. So, why would an unethical online poker site owner not use the same tactic(s) software/code, perhaps in moderation to quell any possible suspicion, for their site to maximize rake, etcetera?

Oh, right, it does happen...... Suck me sideways...

Hmm... Is there a rake quota at ACR (Another Coolered Registrant) and or any other questionable offshore, USA facing online poker site?

Furthermore, for one’s information: specific online poker sites in the past and in the now have been and are known to ban and/or punish/suppress (so to type) winning players… I personally loathe the oppression of a winning/decent player at the aversive whims of distinct, swindling online poker sites. That would be like banning/suppressing Micheal Jordan in his heyday in the NBA because he won consistently. That is/would be absolutely absurd!

I would like to also address the defense of seeing many more hands online (apart from these Blitz/Zone unrealistic poker formats) when compared to offline, live poker in the argument(s) of the people that believe that online poker is not rigged/fixed. My counter argument for that is simply, if one looked/researched the amount of hands per hour at the low/medium/high stakes tables with a max of nine players at full capacity (at least at ACR), the average amount of hands per hour is at about anywhere from perhaps maybe 50 to maybe 75 hands per hour, which is correlative to live, in the flesh card dealing…

In conclusion, if ACR and/or any other skeptical online poker site wants to rival and become an online poker powerhouse (in an industry dominated by PokerStars) for years to come after the perhaps inevitable legalization and regulation of online poker throughout the United States of America (and not fade into a deserved fruitless oblivion and/or the metaphorical receptacle of snuffed online garbage poker sites) then I suggest utilizing HONEST, pseudorandom poker for the masses now, instead of this tainted, programmed, arcade style, rake generating, unnatural, trash online poker.

Despite it all, with ACR’s and other distinct online poker site’s current management and ownership that will likely never happen and the industry’s standardized, fraudulent poker/poker software will theoretically prevail to proverbially line the pockets of these avaricious owners of particular online poker sites.

That is my prudent, cerebral, and honest rant for at least this intricate juncture of time.

Take it easy…

I liked the "another coolered registrant". This is pretty specific though, if it was just about monster hands, surely there would be a way to track and expose this.At least i would think.. i would hope..

We are living in different times, but we are being mind controlled into thinking everything is the same as it was years ago. Heres the trick, it is the same as years ago but its thanks to poker players like us we are more conscious of the current situation at the tables.

We see that some poker rooms even advertise to the masses every month that they purge bot accounts.

Thats it right there, we now know what we feared all along. But because they tell us every single month that they remove the bots its all good now ? and ok ? its not rigged because they are telling us that they remove them now ??. See ?

Not to mention that they fail to mention collusion at all.

As poker players, unless we are playing for fun, we play because we might think that we have a very tiny edge over a random opponent. If we play alot this tiny edge adds up to profit. When you add bots and collusion into the scenario, you cannot see this online. The edge that was already there.. the tiny one.. decreases.

So what do we do, we can go around saying that the shuffle is unfair, because it probably is, but unless we try to provide statistical proof like people have done ... Even as people have tried to post proof and have showed that there was less than 1% chance for something to occur, they are getting met with swift opposition because this small % is still a chance that said scenario could happen.

The best way to take action is to expose the rigged sites botting and collusion, because not enough people are doing it and it happens on all the sites and people are ok with this happening to them. Dont support the site just because they are telling you that each and every month they remove cheaters.

 

[akufto]

I think what is happening here dark matter is unfair tournaments and games, this is my opinion

 

[dgroes]

Is online rigged? If you have to ask then it doesn't matter.

Yesterday I was playing on a cc free roll and two other tourneys at the same time. I started noticing simular hands constantly. As I. Everybody I have a weak hand That I always play if it's cheap. Q,10 of dimonds in all three hands at the same time. Flop two pair on all three hands. All three hands lost to straights. What are all the chances is amazing.

I have a rule to never play two pair I hit on flop at ACR. Took a chance. Following those three loses I watched the CC free roll. Next ten hands in a row winners won 28th trips or better.. This isn't real. Conclusion who can prove anything. No one

Today is just spent seeing useless cards win. I played 5 and you see low or mid pairs quad or some trash hand make a full house vs AKs several times. lol. Who´s gonna review these guys? Too much today.

 

[dgroes]

that all said... are there no truly independent regulatory bodies addressing the issues of fixing winners in online gambling?

 

[Zorba]

Yes ALL POKER SITES ARE RIGGED but BETONLINE IS THE WORST I EVER SEEN!!!

POKER SITE = Momma
SITE BOTS = Son
POKER PLAYER = Rabbit
SHARKSCOPE = Shield

The momma sends the son out to kill rabbits so they can eat. The rabbit only chance to survive is to shield himself with SHARKSCOPE and now he can see BOT when he is coming and try to stay out of his way.

Sharkscope give you a history of most players online and EVERY GOOD PLAYER IS NOT A BOT but the players with top stats are the ones you want to avoid in hands because THE RUN OF THE CARDS ARE BASED ON INDIVIDUAL STATS and the players with best stats will have most success. If the system after a while see that you are playing solid and not making deposits often...THEY WILL DETERMINE YOU ARE A WINNER. If the system see you calling and bluffing your money away and making frequent deposits THEY WILL DETERMINE YOU ARE A LOSER and you will stay a loser until your stats change.

If you know there are bots at your table then why are you not taking advantage of that and exploiting the said bot/s, it is a very easy thing to do if you are sure your opponent is a bot.

Of course the players with the best stats will have the most success, they are the better players.

Do you have any proof to go with this bullshit?

And finally, if you think that all sites are rigged then why are you still playing online?

Have you purchased a tin foil at yet?

:hmmmm:

 

[Mrjoe09]

Online poker

I been playing Holden about 20yrs at casino's,bars for points,home game,I watch on TV, enjoy the game,still have a lot to learn, when I play online I never seen cards fall the way they do online,ex. I have pocket 10s,flop hit a 10,now a set of 10s check someone bets I go all in get a call other player gets runners to make str8/flush or some other B's for player to win, happens alot, especially AA gets busted alot,so I'm guessing before the game starts the winner is already randomly pick can the site do that?

 

[Nikolay Nakhaev]

Online there will always be problems in everything.
but it reassures that all the same, many people play and achieve excellent results even here[emoji3][emoji3][emoji3]

 

[redmast]

I did not have to play live and therefore I can not compare the game online and live. Yes, sometimes it seems that the distribution of cards is not very real.

 

[fundiver199]

The card dealing online is just as random as in life games and perhaps even more, since manually shuffling a deck of cards perfectly random is not all that easy. Bad beat are part of the game life as well as online.

 

[777jeton777]

I personally have never played live poker. not the first time I hear that there is a difference between live and online poker. About RNG this is such a hackneyed topic. play in serious online rooms and be sure that these rooms constantly manitory any kind of commission. but it is human nature to doubt. good luck at the tables.

 

[leogetz79]

after reading the article in my opinion, and i say that because i might be wrong, i still believe that is rigged, but not only by the poker room but by hackers(other players) as well.

by the end of the article they even put to be aware of mobile devices prone to hacking(the only way to know that is by either having a crazy anti virus on your phone or being a hacker itself)

and about those miserable bad beats. i know they happen. even watching the 2019 WSOP you see the killer river. but they happen a lot less. hooo but you play a lot more hands online than if you would play live. yeah sure, but how many entrants there was in the 2019 WSOP, how many tables, how many hands played????

PS. im probably wrong, you can show me facts, but i still will think that is rigged

 

[Bluffzone68]

Hey
I WAS of the opinion too that its rigged.

But of late I have realised it is not.

Depending on what format you play the game changes.

By format I mean the stackes as well as the type of poker like Omaha NLHE or Zoom or even Knock out.

Every format has a different stlyr of play.

So accordingly you change your style.

Now I have accepted that its not rigged.

 

[JulioJones]

Bad beats are bad beats. They happen in real life and online poker. I'm not saying there isn't a possibility because it would be easier to manipulate a computer program than an actual real life deck. But without any proof we must live on a deck and a prayer lol

 

[smpolak]

Not Rigged

I don't think online poker is rigged. I just think that players play differently with electronic money than real chips. So they play a wider range of hand and get married to poor hands, they get lucky.

 

[TravelerLloyd]

I did see an online poker movie once and it was not rigged, but they were catching people that were cheating. They would use algorithyms. The poker room can see all the cards everyone holds and if they see a player always winning above the norm, they would watch him and konw he cold see the cards also. You know when they are cheating the get greedy and dont let the other players win enough.

Also there were others on there that would talk on the phone and let each other know what was going on, and they would take over a poker room and all play against the player that would come in, they would loose stupid hands with nothing to make him think the room was loose aggressive and then when he would be in a hand with one the hero would think his mediocre hand was good because they have been showing down middle or bottom pair so he would go all in and they would have a monster and at the end of the day they would split the cash amongst themselves. They would do that all day long and pay their rents and everything with it. The online room was hard to catch it until they noticed that they always played together.

So my thinking is if it was in a movie, it was brought from some type of truth!

I think it was called "Runner..Runner" If thats not it, it was out about 15 years ago or less but not less than 10 years ago!

Holy shill, Batman!

Another typical, 'scripted', canned defense of online poker not being rigged/fixed.

Another "possibility" of it being fixed and with a conclusion of providing "proof" which is virtually impossible to display without perhaps intuitive evidence and/or perhaps 'circumstantial' evidence. Or in the wake of actual deeming evidence of online poker being rigged/fixed.

That to me is a posting and/or are postings of a contradictory nature and/or are a semblance of hiding/beguiling in plain view, so to type.

Take it easy...

 

[frank174]

I don't think you can compare the two,live you see the dealing with your own eyes, online your putting your trust in them and they havn't done anything to earn it I've played live for over 20 years and I trust live poker. I don't have that trust in online to many shady things happen and the excuse is always because of the number of hands dealt but were not watching all those bad beats were just wondering about all the craziness we all see in the limited number we do see,it should all be in ratio to what were watching,live poker there is no warning stating random FORCED action but there is in online.Forced in online could be another word for fixed to the skeptic:bike: